2012-09-09, 11:07 | Link #30461 |
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Even if Anime was bad, Deep inside I still want a Chiru ANIME XDDDDDD , Dont kill me, It would be intresting to see some stuff animated...Plus Anime made me intrested in the novels, It was crap but without it I would never know Umineko , So it's still special to me. XD
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2012-09-09, 11:27 | Link #30462 |
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I agree. I was introduced to Umineko by the anime and I'm glad because of it.
Well, since I started reading the novels after finishing the anime, I pretty much could handle the info dumps without problems, like the massive introduction of characters at the start of EP1. The anime is good for getting familiar to the characters and the setting, that's why I recomend to people interessed in Umineko to watch the anime first. Oh, and a Chiru anime SHOULD be done. I also still hope for it.
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2012-09-09, 12:19 | Link #30463 |
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The anime would be a more effective way of introducing people to the series if it didn't completely spoil the plot of the entire first half of the story.
I really wish that they'd just realised that there was no way they could condense Umineko arcs into a few episodes like they could with Higurashi, and just dedicated the first series to Episode 1 and 2 instead. Maybe then the anime wouldn't have been so awful...well, actually, it's DEEN, so they'd probably have found some way to screw it up. It does kind of bug me, though, that so many people who saw the anime seem to just ignore any suggestions that they should read the VNs, as if there's some unwritten assumption that the source material mustn't be worth the trouble. I've seen so many people say things like "The concept of this anime was really interesting but they really blew it on the execution", and I always wonder, 'And you never thought of maybe seeing whether the original version, in the medium that it was originally designed to be experienced, might have executed it better?' |
2012-09-09, 12:32 | Link #30464 |
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There are many reasons for this: laziness, not knowing that they it's easily accesible (I once tried to make someone who watched Fate/stay night anime read the VN, and the person replied with 'I don't have the console to play it', FSN VN being for PC) and in some cases because of lack of translation (I have two people in my class that I got interested in Umineko thanks to Ougon, but there's no translation of the VN in my first language so they can only watch the anime).
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2012-09-09, 13:27 | Link #30465 |
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Who has watched the anime after reading EP8? I watched EP1 and EP3 and I found a lot of the important stuff... was actually there. With a really weird exception in EP1. But really, I gave up on the anime halfway through EP2 (when Kanon drew his blade). It took a second time through for me to get really interested in it, and by the time I found out about Witch-Hunt, I was already a fan.
But as far as an animated Chiru, I would watch only for certain parts, EP5's battle of Kinzo's study, EP6's 2nd Twilight Love Trial, and of course the wedding in EP6. But I think most of that stuff will be cut down or not as visually exciting...
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As of now instead the anime are handled badly. Instead than improving the story they just... jump on a successful story and force its plot into X number of episodes regardless of the result. They don't even bother making sure they'll manage to follow the original story to its ending if the story is ongoing creating rather poor results. Quote:
Plus there's to say the huge wall of text seems to discourage people who are willing to spend the same time on an anime marathon. Well, in a way I understand them as, when English isn't your first language, it's really... heavy to read so much English text (in fact I'm suggesting to my friends to use the translation done in our language so reading it all doesn't seem that hard...). Either way I doubt people will stop to be so reluctant to try the VN anytime soon. Maybe in the future they'll be more popular but as of now they're unknown land for many people. |
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2012-09-09, 14:14 | Link #30467 |
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Yeah, the language barrier is a problem.
If I weren't busy already with three things, I'd start a translation project of Umineko in first language. Argh, so much projects, so little time.
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But that's not the worst part. I'd definitely reccomend against watching the anime before reading the VN, because that way you miss all the fun. You can't remember closed rooms, let alone TRYING to solve them, you don't even remember what the fuck happened. You just think "oooh, that guy's bleeding in the bathtub, cool!", while that should be something about chains, and locks, and master keys.... Argh! (And don't get me started on trollfaces. Maria looks like a freakin' monkey!) Quote:
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(But I think it's better this way, English is an 'easy' language. Most lines in Umineko would sound terribly stupid in greek....)
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2012-09-09, 15:21 | Link #30469 |
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There's a ONScripter close that can support unicode characters, including Greek. It's named Onslaught, and it can be found here.
It's still in the beta version, but it's better than nothing.
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2012-09-09, 18:53 | Link #30470 |
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So from what I can understand of the last novel, there's no actual solution to the murders... I don't know if the Battler-family theory was supposed to be the answer and Ange didn't want to believe it (And Battler didn't want her to know, just let her keep living in denial and believe what she wants) since it wasn't confirmed. Was this the point of story? It doesn't confirm or deny any theory so fans can keep discussing it?
All this meta-world and meta-meta-world stuff is very confusing. I don't know what's "real" and which are just someone's delusions. Like Yasu creating Kanon, Shannon, Beatrice. So in the "real" world s/he was just playing different roles at the same time? Were their relationships with George and Jessica "real" or was it just part of one of the game's fake realities? I can't imagine how they wouldn't know they were just Yasu playing different roles. I mean Jessica lives in the same mansion as Yasu. And the 18 people during the incident is only actually 17 people then? |
2012-09-09, 20:06 | Link #30471 |
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Hi, new posting in this thread but i've been following it since page 14xx (can't remember), and I just formed some theory about Prime that i want to take off my chest, and i've never seen it before... but i could be mistaken. Sorry if I make a grammar mistake but english is not my first language.
Kanon doesn't exist, it never existed. I know, Kanon is just a Yasu character, but I mean in pre-1986 Rokkenjima. Kanon was just a thing Jessica and Yasu made up. Let me explain it: There's only one instance where he was perceived by outsiders, and that was at Jessica's Cultural Festival. As we know, Kanon was there because Jessica wanted to impress their friends with her "boyfriend". We saw how Shannon suggested Jessica to bring Kanon with her, but I think that scene was just a bit different, like: Jessica: Everyone will bring their boyfriends and i don't have one! *gross sobs* Shannon: ...hmmm.... I have an idea! Why don't you bring "Kanon" to the festival? Jessica: Who's Kanon? Shannon: *draws Kanon* him! Gimme some makeup, a wig and a coat and it will be done Jessica: okay lol I think that up to that point Kanon was just another imaginary friend of Yasu, so the scene where Genji puts the portrait and Shannon and Kanon discuss it, would be Yasu talking to herself, as nobody notes his presence. After the cultural festival, Kanon went back to be an inside joke between Jessica and Shannon, and sometimes Shannon would sporadically dress up as Kanon just to fuck up with the Ushiromiyas, and then Yasu grew feelings toward Jessica. At the 1986 conference, Yasu got to decide between George and Jessica, but then Battler came in the equation and everything got fucked up, but basically Kanon was there because he would reveal his feelings towards Jessica, saying something like "even since i started using this, i'm feeling a little different. I think i'm in love with you, and i want to be Kanon for you forever" or something. So, this is my first theory, what do you think everyone? |
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I, personally, don't agree with the theory, but I also have nothing wrong with it.
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2012-09-09, 22:36 | Link #30473 | |
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2012-09-09, 22:48 | Link #30474 |
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No, I think they thought they were real people. I like to think that their relationships are exactly as portrayed as they are in the stories; they were meant to show us Yasu's heart, and the 'image' of her heart is skewed VASTLY if we change details about her romance.
Yasu was able to keep people from finding out that she was both Shannon and Kanon, it seems. Presumably with the help of Genji, Kumasawa, and Nanjo. It probably helps that most of the time through the year, only one of them is working at the island at a time. It's only on special occasions that she has to juggle being both characters.
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2012-09-09, 23:17 | Link #30475 | |
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It's very unlikely this ending is canon, but IIRC Ryu was involved in Ougon development, so what if this was just a glimpse of canon? |
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2012-09-09, 23:39 | Link #30476 |
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That kind of requires that Yasu was planning to murder people in 1985, which is almost certainly not the case since the trigger (Battler's visit) was an absolute surprise.
It's just a fun what-if, like the whole "Ange and Virgilia are 1998 doujinshi writers who make Umineko yaoi" thing.
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There's also that scene with the goats in the Golden Land that try to deny Kanon's existence, and the best Jessica can do is say in red that her classmates witnessed Kanon in the cultural festival (I think Jan-Poo mentioned that a couple of pages ago). And well, that would explain many holes that Yasu's dress-up might create, like, how dum is everyone? But I still disgagree with it, nontheless. Quote:
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2012-09-10, 03:46 | Link #30478 | |
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I know Genji, Kumasawa, and Nanjo saved Yasu from the fall, but why would they go through the trouble of helping her with the split personalities and hiding them from George/Jessica? Shouldn't Nanjo (being a doctor) be aware that encouraging her split personalities and pursuing relationships with others (heirs to the Ushiromiya family as well) isn't good for her mental health? |
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No, but seriously, I don't think Nanjo knows about the split personality thing, he doens't even live on the island to begin with, so he wouldn't bother to learn the names of all the servants that worked there.
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Well, yes...Genji/Kumasawa/Nanjo didn't really do their best for Yasu. To be honest, those three are pretty shady people in some ways. They were okay with Beatrice 2 being basically imprisoned at Kuwadorian for her whole life, and with Kinzo treating her as the reincarnation of her mother. Yeah, we're told that Genji didn't like it, but it's not as if he did anything to stop it. Those three are really not the nicest and most caring people out there, and even when they have good intentions their judgement is not great. Genji, for example, seems to have thought that Yasu was better off with her family on the island...when she really, really wasn't. |
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