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Kairin · 2013-03-08, 01:04

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Kazu-kun · 2013-03-08, 20:44

As expected

Spoiler for ep23:

kuromitsu · 2013-03-08, 20:59

This episode was... frustrating.

Griping below...

Spoiler for the episode ending:

Spoiler for psycho buster:

Spoiler for the pacing:

Mind, it wasn't a bad episode, but it was frustrating. :/ Now I'm worried about the last two episodes.

Then again, I think most people will care about only one aspect of this episode. :P Actually, about that...

Spoiler for seiyuu:

NoemiChan · 2013-03-08, 21:02

Never yet seen it... but probably tomorrow.

deadsea · 2013-03-08, 21:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by kuromitsu

This episode was... frustrating.

Griping below...

Spoiler for the episode ending:

Spoiler for psycho buster:

Spoiler for the pacing:

Mind, it wasn't a bad episode, but it was frustrating. :/ Now I'm worried about the last two episodes...

Then again, I think most people will care about only one aspect of this episode. :P Actually, about that...

Spoiler for seiyuu:

Maybe they will cut the ED in the next 2 ep, I think that they could have done Minoshiro tell the story about PsychoBuster to Saki while she was walking through the lab
I wanna know more about PsychoBuster, can u PM me with the info pls

roon · 2013-03-08, 22:02

That was a hell of a cliffhanger to end it on. I figured she'd remember him, but I didn't think it'd be in this way...

And yeah, the ED really needs to be cut now. I didn't mind it when it was first introduced, but now it's just ridiculous.

That preview gave some major Eva-vibes

Hypernova · 2013-03-09, 10:13

Gaahhh! Why didn't Saki read the letter in the safe! That's just stupid.

kuromitsu · 2013-03-09, 10:21

Wow, I thought thread would be much longer by now...

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Originally Posted by roon

And yeah, the ED really needs to be cut now. I didn't mind it when it was first introduced, but now it's just ridiculous.

Yeah, seriously... :/ It's so jarring. I hope they won't play it in the last episode. I still say if they had to change they should've done either a thematic continuation of Wareta ringo, or something about the bonds between Group 1 members. (Or hell, they could've just kept Wareta ringo, it was so good.)

Btw, perhaps I sounded too harsh in my first post - it's not that I thought this was a bad episode, I liked it, frustration aside, it did many things very well. I thought the last sequence was very good (even though it could've used some trippier, more energetic animation), the general atmosphere was also good, etc. It's just that, I think they wasted a lot of time* in the first part for no reason, and it's frustrating to see this at this stage of the story (which is also why I'm not entirely happy with the episode ending on this plot point). And I think they could've done more with this episode (psycho buster, sigh - I half hope that Saki took the letter, too, and will read it later, but I'm not holding my breath). Oh well, this is what we have and it's not half bad.

*Relatively, of course, but when you only have 20 minutes per episode even 1 minute is a lot of time...

Squarecrow · 2013-03-09, 12:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by kuromitsu

Wow, I thought thread would be much longer by now...

Super late subs.

Some people's theory as to why there are no real plans in place for dealing with a "fiend" (and their mediocre at best defense against the rats), because the people are mindless sheep, seems to have been disproved by Inui-san, who was pretty clever this episode. Not clever enough apparently. He did manage to remarkably spot that thing from a mile away underwater and save Saki so I gotta give him props for that.

Shun's comment to Saki seems to set up Kiromaru to take out the "fiend". I mean, really, why would it matter to Saki if it's actually a fiend or not? She can't do anything about it. Though I really think I'd need to rewatch the episodes with the rat vs. rat war reports if it turns out the "fiend" can't kill rats. Even without the PK there still seems to be conflicting reports anyways...

Edit: And what does did the village Tomiko see in Saki? She's such a burden.

pinoscotto · 2013-03-09, 12:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by kuromitsu

This episode was... frustrating.

Griping below...

Spoiler for the episode ending:

Spoiler for psycho buster:

Spoiler for the pacing:

Mind, it wasn't a bad episode, but it was frustrating. :/ Now I'm worried about the last two episodes.

Then again, I think most people will care about only one aspect of this episode. :P Actually, about that...

Spoiler for seiyuu:

isn't it possible saki will tell us about the letter in the next episode? i think it's pointless showing the letter to us whitout reading it...

ookamigirl · 2013-03-09, 12:43

Those caves sure were full of all kinds of creatures.
The only problem was that those creatures are very deadly.
Looks like not only the caves pose a threat.
At least they managed to get their submarine and use it in the caves.
They got closer to their goal, but with a price...
Wonder if Shun was real or just a hallucination?

kuromitsu · 2013-03-09, 12:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by pinoscotto

isn't it possible saki will tell us about the letter in the next episode? i think it's pointless showing the letter to us whitout reading it...

Yeah, that's what I'm half-hoping. But they have so much to cover, the psycho buster looks different so the connection is half lost, and in any case the momentum is gone. :/ But we'll see. It's not that it's hugely important to the plot, but it puts the thing Saki found in its proper context.

deadsea · 2013-03-09, 13:01

the psychobuster looks like a rosary-weird design

Griffith · 2013-03-09, 13:26

Add me to the list of people who wish they'd cut the ED already. It feels really out of place, I've been skipping it after the first time hearing it. I'm disappointed that we didn't learn more about the Psycho buster and that we didn't see more of Saki exploring that lab. I really hope the last two episodes are good, I don't see how they're going to wrap everything up in time.

ChainLegacy · 2013-03-09, 13:27

Good episode... So I guess Shun is alive..? Pretty confused at that part actually, why is he running away? If that is actually him, why isn't there some psychedelic barrier going on around him due to his condition? They left it a little too ambiguous to understand, lol...

Looks like Kiroumaru will be in on some kind of betrayal after all judging by Inui's comments and the previews. I wonder just what he'll do. I assume his original venture into these caves was to retrieve the bio weapon for himself, so I guess he'll try to steal it? If he is going to betray them, though, isn't he kind of helpless in a head on conflict against the psy-users? It showed him standing directly in front of Saki in the preview.

One wonders how the cantus users came to dominate the world when they're so vulnerable to all of these monsters who, while scary, are probably less deadly than any modern weaponry by a long shot.

Orin GA · 2013-03-09, 13:32

Anyone have a pic of what it is suppose to look like?

CJ_Walker · 2013-03-09, 13:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Orin GA

Anyone have a pic of what it is suppose to look like?

Can anyone explain the psychobuster thing in a spoiler tag? or pm? from what kuromitsu said, implied that PK was a man made thing or something.

Squarecrow · 2013-03-09, 13:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChainLegacy

Good episode... So I guess Shun is alive..? Pretty confused at that part actually, why is he running away? If that is actually him, why isn't there some psychedelic barrier going on around him due to his condition? They left it a little too ambiguous to understand, lol...

He seems to have implanted his thoughts into Saki before his physical body died so I don't think that was actually him, he doesn't have a body I'd guess. Likely he's just making her hallucinate. Whether or not his thoughts are just thoughts or his complete consciousness remains to be seen.

Kanon · 2013-03-09, 14:20

Saki has been so useless lately. She's almost acting like a damsel in distress now. Before, I could understand what Tomiko saw in her but lately I've been under the impression she made a grave mistake by picking her as her replacement. Unless I'm remembering wrong, she used to be portrayed as smarter, pragmatic and more pro-active. What happened?

Inui is dead. That's a big loss. He was a very cool and competent guy. He was apparently the one only among the three who suspected Kiroumaru's got a secret agenda, and I'm afraid he was right. Kiroumaru is way too suspicious.

The final scene was beautiful. Saki running in that desolate scenery, remembering Shun bit and bit, and finally yelling his name after he turns around and she sees his face for the first time in 12 years. Wonderful.

Spoiler for Preview:

Daniel E. · 2013-03-09, 14:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by CJ_Walker

Can anyone explain the psychobuster thing in a spoiler tag?

Please don't ask for spoilers to be posted here; not even behind tags.

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2013-03-08, 20:44	Link #2
Kazu-kun Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006	As expected Spoiler for ep23: The Akki isn't an Akki Shun told Saki that. __________________

2013-03-08, 20:59	Link #3
kuromitsu Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004	This episode was... frustrating. Griping below... Spoiler for the episode ending: Why did they have to end it there?! I think I know what they're trying to do but it's such a bad point to end the episode, and such a bad point to start the next episode! The sequence where Saki remembered Shun was very nice, though. Spoiler for psycho buster: The psycho buster is not supposed to look like that?? Then again, I guess it doesn't really matter since they cut everything about what this thing is, why it looks like that, what it's doing there and how it works... Perhaps they didn't want to offend Christians? Or they thought "whatever, there wouldn't be time for it anyway?" But they spent 2 minutes on Inui and Saki just talking and then walking around, surely they could've made time for 3-4 sentences from the minoshiro critter... This way it's like some Random Mysterious Gadget that's just randomly lying there. :/ (Also, this is supposed to be where the "cursed power" aspect is made very obvious, making "Cantus" even more meaningless and out of place.) Oh well. Spoiler for the pacing: Unlike the last episode I think this one had a pretty bad pacing, though maybe that's just because during the first part in my mind I kept screaming "GET ON WITH IT, YOU ONLY HAVE 2 MORE EPISODES!" I mean, I understand that they wanted to end on a dramatic note with Shun, but argh! How are they going to do the rest of the story in 2 more episodes without rushing?! And if they'd already decided to take their sweet time, they could've done more with it. Instead of showing the characters walking, or Saki and Inui standing around talking (that could've been done over a montage!), they could've included a flashback about them splitting up and Satoru opting to go with Kiroumaru (seriously, why can't the guy get some attention), or show more of the creepy office/lab thing Saki is wandering around in search for the psycho buster, or ah, the psycho buster explanation... Sigh. Mind, it wasn't a bad episode, but it was frustrating. :/ Now I'm worried about the last two episodes. Then again, I think most people will care about only one aspect of this episode. :P Actually, about that... Spoiler for seiyuu: Why is Shun voiced by Toudou Mai? Come to think of it, she also voiced him in episode 11, in Saki's dream. But why her and not Murase Ayumu who voiced 14 year old Shun? I mean mirage!Shun even looks like his 14 year old self... Last edited by kuromitsu; 2013-03-09 at 10:41.

2013-03-09, 12:43	Link #11
ookamigirl Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011	Those caves sure were full of all kinds of creatures. The only problem was that those creatures are very deadly. Looks like not only the caves pose a threat. At least they managed to get their submarine and use it in the caves. They got closer to their goal, but with a price... Wonder if Shun was real or just a hallucination? __________________ My Blog --> ookami

2013-03-09, 13:01	Link #13
deadsea Member Join Date: Apr 2011	the psychobuster looks like a rosary-weird design __________________

2013-03-08, 21:02	Link #4
NoemiChan Banned Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Philippines Age: 36	Never yet seen it... but probably tomorrow.

2013-03-08, 22:02	Link #6
roon _(:q 」∠)_ _(ФωФ」∠)_ Artist* Join Date: Dec 2005	That was a hell of a cliffhanger to end it on. I figured she'd remember him, but I didn't think it'd be in this way... And yeah, the ED really needs to be cut now. I didn't mind it when it was first introduced, but now it's just ridiculous. That preview gave some major Eva-vibes

2013-03-09, 10:13	Link #7
Hypernova Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Virgo Supercluster, Milky Way, Orion Arm, Sol, Earth, Taiwan Age: 38	Gaahhh! Why didn't Saki read the letter in the safe! That's just stupid.

2013-03-09, 13:26	Link #14
Griffith Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004	Add me to the list of people who wish they'd cut the ED already. It feels really out of place, I've been skipping it after the first time hearing it. I'm disappointed that we didn't learn more about the Psycho buster and that we didn't see more of Saki exploring that lab. I really hope the last two episodes are good, I don't see how they're going to wrap everything up in time.

2013-03-09, 13:27	Link #15
ChainLegacy 廉頗 Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Massachusetts Age: 34	Good episode... So I guess Shun is alive..? Pretty confused at that part actually, why is he running away? If that is actually him, why isn't there some psychedelic barrier going on around him due to his condition? They left it a little too ambiguous to understand, lol... Looks like Kiroumaru will be in on some kind of betrayal after all judging by Inui's comments and the previews. I wonder just what he'll do. I assume his original venture into these caves was to retrieve the bio weapon for himself, so I guess he'll try to steal it? If he is going to betray them, though, isn't he kind of helpless in a head on conflict against the psy-users? It showed him standing directly in front of Saki in the preview. One wonders how the cantus users came to dominate the world when they're so vulnerable to all of these monsters who, while scary, are probably less deadly than any modern weaponry by a long shot.

2013-03-09, 13:32	Link #16
Orin GA Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007	Anyone have a pic of what it is suppose to look like?

2013-03-09, 14:20	Link #19
Kanon Kana Hanazawa ♥ Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: France Age: 37	Saki has been so useless lately. She's almost acting like a damsel in distress now. Before, I could understand what Tomiko saw in her but lately I've been under the impression she made a grave mistake by picking her as her replacement. Unless I'm remembering wrong, she used to be portrayed as smarter, pragmatic and more pro-active. What happened? Inui is dead. That's a big loss. He was a very cool and competent guy. He was apparently the one only among the three who suspected Kiroumaru's got a secret agenda, and I'm afraid he was right. Kiroumaru is way too suspicious. The final scene was beautiful. Saki running in that desolate scenery, remembering Shun bit and bit, and finally yelling his name after he turns around and she sees his face for the first time in 12 years. Wonderful. Spoiler for Preview: It pretty much spoils Kiroumaru is going to betray them... I'm hoping that's a red herring. I really want Kiroumaru to be a good guy. But I guess "good guy" is relative. __________________