AnimeSuki Forums

Register Forum Rules FAQ Members List Social Groups Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Go Back   AnimeSuki Forum > Anime Related Topics > Manga

Notices

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 2013-04-27, 21:21   Link #441
demino_hellsin
That one guy
 
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Finally read chapter 21 and have to say that I disagree. I believe that the head chef really was a villain in this one.

Megu arrived at the desired result. What the alumnus did was channel scumbag teacher and failed her for not following his command word for word. Others probably failed because the dish is not to standard.

In fact Megu still created the same dish, the only difference is that she cooked the cauliflower differently.

If someone told you to count the apples in 5 crates with each of them having the same number of apples you'd have either choice of adding or multiplying.

What the alumnus did was add each apple individually.

What Megu did was count one crate then multiply by the number of crates.

Same answer right?

Then the alumnus fails her for not adding everything individually. That's the issue here.
demino_hellsin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2013-04-27, 23:18   Link #442
bones
Senior Member
 
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Quote:
Originally Posted by demino_hellsin View Post
Finally read chapter 21 and have to say that I disagree. I believe that the head chef really was a villain in this one.

Megu arrived at the desired result. What the alumnus did was channel scumbag teacher and failed her for not following his command word for word. Others probably failed because the dish is not to standard.

In fact Megu still created the same dish, the only difference is that she cooked the cauliflower differently.

If someone told you to count the apples in 5 crates with each of them having the same number of apples you'd have either choice of adding or multiplying.

What the alumnus did was add each apple individually.

What Megu did was count one crate then multiply by the number of crates.

Same answer right?

Then the alumnus fails her for not adding everything individually. That's the issue here.
The desired result was the recipe that the examiner provided without any alterations. Besides, the purpose of the test was to filter out those who weren't assertive or proactive enough like how the previous test was to test your creativity. Megu failed the test plain and simple.
bones is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2013-04-27, 23:49   Link #443
demino_hellsin
That one guy
 
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Then the very concept of the test itself is flawed. This indicates they are raising chefs who cannot cook with substandard ingredients, narrow-minded, and have no adaptability when things go wrong in the kitchen which it normally does in large scale star rated restaurants.
demino_hellsin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2013-04-28, 00:00   Link #444
Mars Mode
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2011
No the desired result was for someone to choose the correct ingredients and cook the desired recipe. It never was about who is proactive and who isnt. In fact not all the chefs are proactive and it is the diference in personality and tastes that sometimes creates one of the most wonderfull tastes that have ever existed.

The head chef didnt prepare enough good ingredients for all the students so she choose to work with what she had, and made the most of the situation, if he treats them as workers then she definitely passes the exam. If he treats them as students then maybe there are grounds for what you said, but he even expressely said youre fired. At the very least there are not enough grounds to outright dismiss her like he has done.
Mars Mode is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2013-04-28, 00:20   Link #445
bones
Senior Member
 
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
He deliberately included spoiled ingredients, it wasn't a mistake that he made. From that, you can see that the ones who move the fastest are going to get the good ingredients and those who take their time are bound for failure. It's pretty obvious what the examiner was trying to do with the test.
bones is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2013-04-28, 01:39   Link #446
Von Himmel
エーレンフェストの聖女
 
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Dollars
Which is a pretty stupid thing to do if that examiner works in restaurant as a manager. If the client complained that the food taste different (although maybe it's still good) the one who'll take the brunt wouldn't be the chef since it's the managers fault for not providing fresh ingredients.

Also what's the point in purposefully trying to cut more students anyway? It's not like there's a cap limit for the graduates or something. He's just being plain asshole without valid reasons in doing it.
__________________
「何かが起こっても、わたくしが守ります」

Von Himmel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2013-04-28, 02:12   Link #447
demino_hellsin
That one guy
 
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
that's why I said the logic of the test is wrong. As a chef, you can't just limit yourself to wanting the freshest of the freshest. There's nothing wrong with incorporating that spirit but not to commend the capacity to work around setbacks is a flaw. It's like he made the test with the intention that someone must fail. This does not promote how to be a chef, this just promotes how to be a jerk.
demino_hellsin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2013-04-28, 02:19   Link #448
Mars Mode
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2011
As a I said before he is treating them as workers, and in this case she definitely qualifies.

And besides in an exam of school whether you are proactive or not does not matter, it matters your knowledge and abilities. And if he is going to make this an exam of school youre going to at least make sure there are enough ingredients for every person in the room.
Mars Mode is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2013-04-28, 02:32   Link #449
n0m@n
C-Z
 
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Maybe it would become a handicap match. Souma/Megumi vs French-wannabe with time restriction. That way Souma/Megumi would have an advantage and it wont be weird if they win.
__________________
n0m@n is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2013-04-28, 03:27   Link #450
m4rc0s
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Brazil
Age: 32
i'm the only one who think will not be weird if souma win? he is cooking since he was a child (10 years or more of experience) and was being tutored by his father that is one of best chefs in the entire world, i understand that the sempai is a good chef too but , just because Souma is not graduate does not mean that the sempai is superior in anyway ,for what i read Souma is already a chef and the school is just for him to gain experience to become a chef in the same level of his father.
m4rc0s is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2013-04-28, 04:14   Link #451
Shadow5YA
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Quote:
Originally Posted by bones View Post
The desired result was the recipe that the examiner provided without any alterations. Besides, the purpose of the test was to filter out those who weren't assertive or proactive enough like how the previous test was to test your creativity. Megu failed the test plain and simple.
Megumi still finished her recipe in the time allotted using the same ingredients. That shows plenty of assertiveness. They're not supermarket grocery shoppers. They're chefs.

Had Megumi panicked and created a bad meal, then the aluminus chef would have been justified in expelling her.
Shadow5YA is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2013-04-28, 05:04   Link #452
Tenchi Hou Take
Senior Member
 
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
TBF technically he wanted a very specific taste from the dish which can only be obtained via fresh ingredients. And lets be honest when your applying for a job, university or even some school and everyone has he same academic level and overall proficiency your gonna end up filtering out people for arbitary reasons as everyone obviously can't get a place. Though in this case it does show she has ingenuity but does she actually have to go to that school, it's not like it's impossible for her to be a great chef without it.

Though it doesn't seem like there's much of reason to limit the space in that school outside of it's part of there prestige that only very few make it in the first place.
Tenchi Hou Take is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2013-04-28, 05:19   Link #453
demino_hellsin
That one guy
 
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Then you're making a case where it's wrong to improve upon something instead of copying the presented work as is. Surely that's the case in some places but what is the logic behind it? The incapability to take orders even though the orders themselves were flawed to begin with?
demino_hellsin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2013-04-28, 05:34   Link #454
Von Himmel
エーレンフェストの聖女
 
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Dollars
Quote:
Though it doesn't seem like there's much of reason to limit the space in that school outside of it's part of there prestige that only very few make it in the first place.
That's the point If there's a limit then there's a point in what he's doing.. but there's nothing like that. The graduates are basically those with skills to back it up but there's nowhere that it was mentioned that there's a cap for people who can graduate there.

Basically what I wanted to say that it's perfectly reasonable if the examiners hold a hellish exams for the student and expel those without the ability to pass it, but actually trying to cut down the number of student whether he/she has the ability or not is something that he shouldn't have done.
__________________
「何かが起こっても、わたくしが守ります」

Von Himmel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2013-04-28, 07:13   Link #455
aohige
( ಠ_ಠ)
 
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Somewhere, between the sacred silence and sleep
It comes down to "cooking test should be testing one's ability to cook, not his/her ability to beat others in a bargain sale shopping spree slugfest"

The four-eyes is unreasonable. Period.

She improvised the situation she was forced into, and while that may have gone against his test, the fact is he shouldn't force people into that situation with prerequisite unrelated to cooking or skills in determining ingredients in the first place. Therefore, the responsibility falls back on him, just like Soma pointed out.

Y'all are making it unnecessarily complicated.
__________________
aohige is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2013-04-28, 07:38   Link #456
demino_hellsin
That one guy
 
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
That's true. Ben-to does not equate to Mister Ajikko.
demino_hellsin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2013-04-28, 07:53   Link #457
kakakka
Senior Member
 
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
I am with Soma's side at this one. There are times at work when you just have no choice but to improvise. And of course, the result also have to be good; practice and knowledge of the field needs be there for that to work. I think Megumi did a great job at that, there should be no reason for her to fail this outright. And the glasses guy's reasoning is really shallow (not even relating to taste, texture or anything); how can I side to a guy like that?
kakakka is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2013-04-28, 08:17   Link #458
bones
Senior Member
 
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Quote:
Originally Posted by kakakka View Post
I am with Soma's side at this one. There are times at work when you just have no choice but to improvise. And of course, the result also have to be good; practice and knowledge of the field needs be there for that to work. I think Megumi did a great job at that, there should be no reason for her to fail this outright. And the glasses guy's reasoning is really shallow (not even relating to taste, texture or anything); how can I side to a guy like that?
I think that his test criteria is:

1: Get the best ingredients for the recipe
2: Follow the recipe perfectly
3: Must be delicious

Megumi failed first and second but passed the third objective. Although, I do think that it would have been better if the examiner had explained all this beforehand.
bones is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2013-04-28, 08:18   Link #459
DName
Junior Member
 
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Mangaka makes us hate that Alumni so that Souma's win would feel more enjoyable. (One piece logic (only seen up to long island)) But this test seriously was plain nonsense. The best of the bests school and even being with skills does not guarantee that you will graduate... Let's say I'm cooking at the level of Souma's father but I'm very slow (but fast enough to make a dish in time) and because of this stupidity I can't pass this test? Bull****...
DName is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2013-04-28, 08:48   Link #460
DawnEmperor
Senior Member
 
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Somewhere
What I meant by the post was that the atmosphere was already set to be fairly cutthroat and people could be expelled quite easily. Now I'm not opposed to the protagonists rebelling against the system(in fact, that would be more in line with my beliefs in the first place). However within the context of the story it just seems like a case where the protagonists don't care unless it affects them. Now granted I'm sure Souma is sticking up for her because she genuinely did a good job, but I guess I just want some consistency with whether people should just overcome the high standards or redefine the standards of cooking.
DawnEmperor is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
cooking, echii, food porn, foodgasm, licensed, school, shounen

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:24.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
We use Silk.