2011-11-20, 22:29 | Link #701 |
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^ Actually, I doubt Index can be considered to be truly shounen. The explanation of concepts drags it into the territory of seinen, although the classification might be different between light novels and manga series.
On the difficulty of reading light novels, I guess you're not into written literature. Just give it a try and flex your brain muscles a bit. I myself have a relatively easy time reading the novels because I'm quite experienced in fantasy.
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2011-11-21, 03:21 | Link #705 | ||||||
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I have a feeling people's perceptions are being influenced by nothing more than the fact that this is the 3rd adaptation they've seen of the same story... Even though technically the Manga came first before the Anime. ------------------------------------------------- @SilverSyko I didn't want to say anything because Ashaman took the words out of my mouth. But to repeat what he had said- You're restricting yourself too much by comparing this to One-Piece. While it's normal to refer to something you're familiar with, it's meant to be used as a rough yard stick, and not some kind of International standard for judging. There are more than one formula to success and not every story uses a standard model.... Especially if they're not trying to do the same thing. If all you want is a clone of One-Piece then I would recommend [Fairy Tail] to you. Quote:
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And I would argue that trying to conform to the modern world is more challenging because you have to work within several restrictions- People were already having a hard time accepting the Churchs to be all powerful- while creating a brand new world is easier because it allows more for asspull if necessary. The reason why the manga skipped vol 2 and 4 was because at that time they didn't know whether they would continue to publish it.
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2011-11-21, 06:11 | Link #706 | |
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And NO the manga is NOT the better adaptation. It skipped two freakin arcs. One having my favorite scene from the series. *spoiler for you* |
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2011-11-21, 12:51 | Link #708 |
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You know, we should really stop with this topic. It's causing a lot of discussion. Anyway @Silverkyo, just read the novel+manga+anime and them you discuss with us.
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2011-11-21, 13:16 | Link #709 |
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Probably the only new chapters will be translated after the ninth volume of the manga out, it is better for me, because some chapters in volumes usually come with more pages, had the case of chapter 44 that came with almost 10 pages longer.
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2011-11-21, 16:48 | Link #711 | |
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Isn't that the whole point of a forum?
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2011-11-22, 06:27 | Link #713 | |
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And One piece is Shounen while I consider Index as Seinen and maybe Railgun a Slice of life
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2011-12-01, 02:23 | Link #715 | |||||||
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I'm back.~ Just needed a few days breather.
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This is what I was judging Index by. Since it's classified as a shounen even though it's more of a seinen, my expectations were completely different, resulting in my disappointment. So yeah, as a shounen battle manga, Index doesn't do a very good job. (Oh and I already tried Fairy Tail. It's not as good as One Piece. That's all I'll say.) Quote:
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Creating a whole new world from scratch and giving it it's own mythologies, history and technology shows a lot more effort and imagination to me, and therefore I have larger respect for them. Quote:
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2011-12-01, 10:19 | Link #716 | |
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Kamijou Touma has no goal as his character is supposed to be Mr. Perfect (he is like Shanks from OP, Kakashi and 4th Hokage from Naruto, etc... an ideal hero whom are other characters look up to... just that this time he is the main character) so don't even compare him to usual main characters as he is not supposed to be like them.
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You can see here some of his goals. I myself LOVE Fantasy and fictional worlds and I myself have created my own fictional world and many stories in it. But I find the work that Kamachi did here very beautiful and can't but be pissed off by your attitude. In some ways, fictional worlds make the job easier than using our world.
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2011-12-01, 10:33 | Link #717 |
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silversyko : i don't think we can change your mind, make argument comparison between ONE PIECE and index will be no good. well i guess you just try telling us HOW much you like One piece in index manga thread, somehow it make me pissed off....., one piece is great masterpiece and i admit it buuut when you compare it with another series with different type and genre of story seem out of place...
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2011-12-01, 15:25 | Link #718 | |
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You see, building on the real world doesn't necessarily mean it's less original than a fantasy world. There's a lot of fiction that's really, really imaginative, that builds up from the reality. If you'll only consider examples form anime/manga, take Code Geass, Baccano or Steins' Gate (just form the top of my head, there's a lot more.) Those works all start with the real world and adjust it to their convenience, and manage to show us something great. Suppose you have 200 hours to make a story. You could spend 180 hours making a world and 20 on the story, or spend 20 choosing what to use from the real world and use 180 on the story. Odds are (if you are a half decent writer) that you'll come up with a good world and a cliche story using the first option, or functional world with a good story using the second. Index's author has put a lot of work on his novels, but you won't find it if you're looking in the wrong place. Anyway... it's a shame you use such limited criteria, but there's nothing that can be done about it. It's now obvious to me that Index is definitely not your thing, from what you say I think you're looking for something like Tengen Toppa Gurren Laggan, which IMO is highly overrated, but you'll probably love it (if you haven't seen it yet.) If by any chance, you're willing to step a bit out of your comfort zone, I'd recommend Baccano for you. It's a very interesting story from the adventure genre. The "downside" is that it's a Seinen on a reality based world, so it might be too unoriginal from your point of view. But for sure, drop Index, you would just be wasting your time since you won't be able to appreciate it. Last edited by leukrota; 2011-12-01 at 16:55. Reason: Took out a borderline example. |
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2011-12-01, 16:41 | Link #719 | |
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He's what the Author envisions as the [Ideal Hero], though it doesn't mean he's flawless in all other aspects. His character development is more like character exploration putting himself in different situations out of his comfort zone but you're right in the sense that he's a 'mature protagonists' in that he isn't confused in who he wants to be and already has a strong set of beliefs. Last edited by Brimstone; 2011-12-01 at 17:04. |
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