[Mai Otome] Episode 20 Discussion/Poll

[twh]

Yes... Nina's "father Fixation' has been kinda disturbing since episode 1 and they've yet to resolve it. It'd take nothing short of a character death to get rid of it, though I hope they don't kill off Sergei. He's been too central to the plot and Nagi's EEEEEVIL designs.

And Preston: Pot. Kettle. Black. You know the rest.

[animeallen]

I'd say the kiss on shizuru is more disturbing...

[Silveril]

how bout the "we hear clothes being taken off" being even more disturbing?!
dont do that to shiz/nats ~~

[Tremalkinger]

Originally Posted by Matrim

Everything you've written in the last few weeks

Gee... I sure wish I had time to go on forums of anime I don't like and just complain about every single facet of the series.

Is it expressly against the rules? No. But it is really childish and irritating. If you dislike Mai Otome so much... then stop watching it. Mai Otome is not a series for everyone. No one is forcing you to download these raws, then subsequently the subs, only to whine about it on these forums.

[Shigan]

This episode kinda dropped in quality... everything from storypace and animation was just a tad bit worse than usual, and Arika's going into questionmode in front of Midori about Otome was just plain painful. Eugh

Interesting thou, so Tomoe do know that the one Shizuru is cruising after is Natsuki? Why else lie about her whereabouts?

I had like to believe that Shizuru is screwing Tomoe for information Althou Shizuru's almighty gaydar might have tipped her off about what Tomoe where about to do, it would have been nice if the animators gave her a little more expressions during the act. -_- Why do the most obvious yuri scene be given the worst animation evah? Arika and Mashiro had more action going in the Jabbar than the Shiz/Tom.

[Eclipze]

Originally Posted by Preston

Hmm.. not a lot of people posting.. this is worrying.. or perhaps no-one knows the forums are back up yet.

Heh, I enquired about the same thing in the episode 19 thread. I guess Mai-Otome is *somehwhat* losing its smooth-ness in story-telling. I feel as if its missing something...not sure what the heck it is.

Originally Posted by Matrim

To get back on topic - is it clear how Fia managed to find the Aswad village or it's just the blind luck of the villain?

Is it really that surprising? I mean, if villians like Nagi can infiltrate, with the help of Schwarz, Mashiro's castle and eventually WindBloom, why would Fia be unable to find some desert village?

Not forgetting that Fia's king had once made a deal with Aswad, and that it is not impossible to send followers to find out the location of the village as Aswad leaves the castle.

[KiraDouji]

Originally Posted by Eclipze

Heh, I enquired about the same thing in the episode 19 thread. I guess Mai-Otome is *somehwhat* losing its smooth-ness in story-telling. I feel as if its missing something...not sure what the heck it is.

Yes, appearantly everyone simultaneously decided that their life/job/etc was more important than posting in forums... or something. Honestly I just think it was due to the forum down time. I didn't know the forums were up for a long while either.

My opinions on this episode have more or less been expressed. I would, as someone else mentioned, preferred Arika to come about the whole "being an otome = can help people and therefore is good" thing on her own instead of the plot device, but frankly I'm just glad she's not angsty anymore. Her little shout out with Mashiro was well done, though, I believe. I won't even begin on the ShizNat/ToShiz front, say that I'm expecting something equivalent to a "just kidding!" next ep.

I do think that Sunrise needs to pick up the pace a bit, though, if they intend to finish this in 26 episodes and fit everything in.

- Kira

[Matrim]

Is it really that surprising? I mean, if villians like Nagi can infiltrate, with the help of Schwarz, Mashiro's castle and eventually WindBloom, why would Fia be unable to find some desert village?

Not forgetting that Fia's king had once made a deal with Aswad, and that it is not impossible to send followers to find out the location of the village as Aswad leaves the castle.

Everyone knows where Windbloom is while the whereabouts of the Aswad village is apparently a secret and I already complained at lenghts about that so the conclusion would be that two wrongs don't make it right. But I had actually forgotten that the king of that country had made a deal with Aswad, so that would be a somewhat plausible explanation, although it sure shows Midori and gang as being quite careless, being followed to their village.

[philip72]

Originally Posted by Shigan

This episode kinda dropped in quality... everything from storypace and animation was just a tad bit worse than usual

Yeah, I've noticed a bit of a downgrade in the animation lately as well, and overall Mai Otome's animation does not seem as deep and colorful as Mai HiME's was.

Originally Posted by Shigan

I had like to believe that Shizuru is screwing Tomoe for information Althou Shizuru's almighty gaydar might have tipped her off about what Tomoe where about to do, it would have been nice if the animators gave her a little more expressions during the act. -_- Why do the most obvious yuri scene be given the worst animation evah? Arika and Mashiro had more action going in the Jabbar than the Shiz/Tom.

NO NO NO Shigan!

It was NOT a yuri scene at all, but simply Tomoe trying to get fresh with Shizuru. Everyone says there were the sounds of clothing being removed, but all I heard was one sound of fabric rustling for less than an 8/10 of a second. That noise could have been a host of other things than just clothes coming off.

Where is your faith in our Shizuru?

And to think you once called yourself the "High Priestess of ShizNat".

I'm taking over now!

You just hand over the raiment's and the fancy priestess hat, and go sit in the corner and think about your heresy.

Can boys be priestesses?

[Kieli]

Originally Posted by philip72

Where is your faith in our Shizuru?

And to think you once called yourself the "High Priestess of ShizNat".

I'm taking over now!

You just hand over the raiment's and the fancy priestess hat, and go sit in the corner and think about your heresy.

Can boys be priestesses?

ROTFLMFAO!

Ok that's the funniest thing I've read in a long while. If you really want to know if boys can be priestesses, you should contact RuPaul, the Drag Queen of Cool.

I agree with Shigan though about the animation quality (I was ranting to a few people about this the other day) and how odd Midori looked. I think the words I used were "Midori looks like she was on Weight Watchers." And the animation vacillated wildly with Arika. Wah! And there was some Picasso-esque cubist thing going on that I really just couldn't get past.

[Tremalkinger]

Originally Posted by Kieli

I agree with Shigan though about the animation quality (I was ranting to a few people about this the other day) and how odd Midori looked. I think the words I used were "Midori looks like she was on Weight Watchers." And the animation vacillated wildly with Arika. Wah! And there was some Picasso-esque cubist thing going on that I really just couldn't get past.

I didn't really see anything strange with Midori this episode (though, maybe I just didn't notice, I should probably go back and watch it again). But right before the ShizTom scene, Tomoe's face morphed pretty painfully while she was contemplating kissing Shizuru. It was like they couldn't decide what expression to give her, so they gave her a different one every frame. And straight after that, the close up of Shizuru's face was also pretty poor. Come to think of it, every single close up of Shizuru in all of Mai Otome has looked strange. Unfortunate, too, because it was distracting from a really good scene.

And... why exactly did the scene between Shizuru and Tomoe cause such an outcry from ShizNat shippers? You guys know its going to come back to either (a) Tomoe doing something tragically horrible to either Shizuru or Natsuki, and the other going crazy for vengence... or (b) Natsuki coming in and rescuing Shizuru, and happy yuri love abound. I'm hoping for b myself, but any angle they take with it has lots of potential. You don't seriously think that ShizNat is in danger, right? Let Tomoe have her fun while she's alive.

[lone_wolf]

Originally Posted by Tremalkinger

I didn't really see anything strange with Midori this episode (though, maybe I just didn't notice, I should probably go back and watch it again). But right before the ShizTom scene, Tomoe's face morphed pretty painfully while she was contemplating kissing Shizuru. It was like they couldn't decide what expression to give her, so they gave her a different one every frame. And straight after that, the close up of Shizuru's face was also pretty poor. Come to think of it, every single close up of Shizuru in all of Mai Otome has looked strange. Unfortunate, too, because it was distracting from a really good scene.

And... why exactly did the scene between Shizuru and Tomoe cause such an outcry from ShizNat shippers? You guys know its going to come back to either (a) Tomoe doing something tragically horrible to either Shizuru or Natsuki, and the other going crazy for vengence... or (b) Natsuki coming in and rescuing Shizuru, and happy yuri love abound. I'm hoping for b myself, but any angle they take with it has lots of potential. You don't seriously think that ShizNat is in danger, right? Let Tomoe have her fun while she's alive.

Nah...for most of us our faith has been strengthened.

philip72's Shizuru temple should join forces with mine. The membership in my SHizuru temple is actually growing steadily and they are slowly learning the ways of the "Shizuru"....and her beloved "Biker babe"

--Lone Wolf

[felix]

Originally Posted by Shigan

I had like to believe that Shizuru is screwing Tomoe for information Althou Shizuru's almighty gaydar might have tipped her off about what Tomoe where about to do, it would have been nice if the animators gave her a little more expressions during the act. -_- Why do the most obvious yuri scene be given the worst animation evah? Arika and Mashiro had more action going in the Jabbar than the Shiz/Tom.

Originally Posted by philip72

It was NOT a yuri scene at all, but simply Tomoe trying to get fresh with Shizuru. Everyone says there were the sounds of clothing being removed, but all I heard was one sound of fabric rustling for less than an 8/10 of a second. That noise could have been a host of other things than just clothes coming off.

That scene is troublesome ... it kinda points to the conlusion that this isn't the first time they did this sort of thing (at this point "thing" could mean anything) ... hope I'm wrong

Originally Posted by Eclipze

Heh, I enquired about the same thing in the episode 19 thread. I guess Mai-Otome is *somehwhat* losing its smooth-ness in story-telling. I feel as if its missing something...not sure what the heck it is.

Defenetly not that ... the problem isn't the way they tell the story but the story itself (mostly the hole "who's the queen ?" crap ... and all the irritating little hints) ... besides that I don't really see anything wrong with the series ... true it could use some more attention in the animation department and the otome standards (atitude, robe design, robe powers, fighting style) aren't as "extravegant" as the plot would want us to belive ... but that's of no concern to me ... I'm guesing that most of the people here that are whining have read too mutch of the manga

Originally Posted by Shigan

This episode kinda dropped in quality... everything from storypace and animation was just a tad bit worse than usual, and Arika's going into questionmode in front of Midori about Otome was just plain painful. Eugh

Arika loosing herself is just plain painfull ... were's the Arinko that steps on other people's dreams and all her "grany sead" moments ... damn you Sunrise

Ohh well at least we get to see Yukino smile ...

[friendshipz]

not only at the european site foum, in asian, mai otome forum has make a pretty big subject over at the site of forum. either shizxnat or shizxtomoe , some ppl cheered for wat tomoe had did and shizxnat fan argue back furiously, make quite a big impact ~ ~" tons of anti-tomoe ppl hope she end up in misery dead...

btw to me its a gd choice for sunrise to make shizuru without any emotional facial expression..
shizuru onee san knew it was coming from tomoe as evidence shown that she moved back her leg, but she was surprised that tomoe first contact wif her was a lipxlip rather than lipxcheek
so when tomoe kissed her lip she was than shocked and that dismay shown,than tomoe pushed her down...than %&%$@$#.... it was all tomoe one-sided love..

btw matrim... i enjoy every parts of filler from mai otome !!!especially maki maki maki...

[ranchan13]

Just thought I'd point out a couple things I barely caught in the preview for episode 21
1: Young, human Mikoto without the black and red aura
2: Chie in Artai's dark Otome robe

Also, this episode did noicely to advance the main plot of the series, setting up Nina and Arika to be the most likely candidates for Queen and Rena's daughter, leaving Mashiro as a truely fake Princess. Question then remains, who is Mashiro.

[philip72]

Originally Posted by Kieli

If you really want to know if boys can be priestesses, you should contact RuPaul, the Drag Queen of Cool.

Originally Posted by lone_wolf

Nah...for most of us our faith has been strengthened.

philip72's Shizuru temple should join forces with mine. The membership in my SHizuru temple is actually growing steadily and they are slowly learning the ways of the "Shizuru"....and her beloved "Biker babe"

Kieli

As my new avatar indicates, I have decide that ShizNat's is an equal opportunity employer, so I have now assumed the title with all it's benefits and responsibilities.
The robes are a little short, tight on the shoulders, too big on the chest (I'll get some falsies for that later) but otherwise surprisingly comfortable. Ohhhh, Linen


lone_wolf

We will have to convene a conclave to discuss matters of belief and doctrine.
Have your Bishops contact our administrative offices.

For more information on our doctrines you can pick up a copy of my 1968 work entitled "ShizNats Conquista Todo" or my seminal 1982 piece "ShizNats Ars gratia artis" at any Chapters or on Amazon.com.

[Last_Hope]

I don´t want no girl girl. I want Mai!

The episode was OK, but it feels like the ending will be rushed a´la Destiny. We have 6 episodes left and our heroine´s isn´t even organized yet. Mai hasn´t appeared and her little "cat" friend inside the harmonium hasn´t made an appearance in color either...

Too much of Arika and too little of Mai, not good.

[lone_wolf]

Originally Posted by philip72

Kieli

As my new avatar indicates, I have decide that ShizNat's is an equal opportunity employer, so I have now assumed the title with all it's benefits and responsibilities.
The robes are a little short, tight on the shoulders, too big on the chest (I'll get some falsies for that later) but otherwise surprisingly comfortable. Ohhhh, Linen


lone_wolf

We will have to convene a conclave to discuss matters of belief and doctrine.
Have your Bishops contact our administrative offices.

For more information on our doctrines you can pick up a copy of my 1968 work entitled "ShizNats Conquista Todo" or my seminal 1982 piece "ShizNats Ars gratia artis" at any Chapters or on Amazon.com.

LMAO!!!!!

分かりました。
Will do! I'll be sure to forward our temple’s current mission statement.

btw...your avatar...ROCKS! We received a letter from the great Shizuru-sama recommending that we change our current fabrics to silk...she mentioned it felt better on the skin and she's right. Length of attire is totally up to us of course but she did mention the shorter the better. ^_^



I'll have to agree with the drop in quality for ep. 20. Hmmm....here's hoping Hisayuki's main animation team is batting up for the rest of the episodes.


--Lone Wolf (of "ShizNat" temple 002)

[Kieli]

Originally Posted by Last_Hope

I don´t want no girl girl. I want Mai!

Then perhaps you should satisfy your Mai cravings with additional viewings of Mai HiME

Too much of Arika and too little of Mai, not good.

Erm, you DO realise that Mai Otome was supposed to have Arika as the lead and not Mai? Mai may or may not show up until the very last two eps, who can say? *shrug*

Kieli
As my new avatar indicates, I have decide that ShizNat's is an equal opportunity employer, so I have now assumed the title with all it's benefits and responsibilities.
The robes are a little short, tight on the shoulders, too big on the chest (I'll get some falsies for that later) but otherwise surprisingly comfortable. Ohhhh, Linen

lone_wolf
We will have to convene a conclave to discuss matters of belief and doctrine.
Have your Bishops contact our administrative offices.

For more information on our doctrines you can pick up a copy of my 1968 work entitled "ShizNats Conquista Todo" or my seminal 1982 piece "ShizNats Ars gratia artis" at any Chapters or on Amazon.com.

*laughing helplessly* I love the avatar but methinks it needs more Viola *ahem* I meant purple. And good lord, man, we forgot to give you your LESBRO membership card.

On a different note: I'm concerned at the slipshod animation for Otome. I have no idea what Sunrise's plans were for this anime but it's showing a considerable lack of care put into it that the storytelling is mediocre and the animation quality flips back and forth like a frog on a hot rock. Don't get me wrong, I love the new stronger Shizuru and the Commanding Presence of Natsuki but....overall? I'm worried. (oh and as Kourin just poked me about Natsuki, I must clarify....I love Gakuencho Natsuki but I miss the spine she used to have. Granted Shizuru is her right hand woman with the mad skillz and the brains but for the love of Patrick, Natsuki has been fobbed off as a comedic foil and it was funny for all of two seconds...not like in Mai Hime BUT....MH was an entity unto itself).

[Urd]

I could be wrong, but...

Spoiler for child:

When Fia looks at the childs flying over by the moon (around min. 5:18 or so, isn't the second child Harry, the lion beast, Akane's child in MH???