2013-06-27, 20:11 | Link #41 | |
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Just because someone likes something you don't like doesn't mean they're a horrible person. I know people who are really into leather and BDSM, even though that weirds me out, I don't think anything less of them as people. Do whatever you want, as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else.
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2013-06-27, 20:19 | Link #42 |
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My guess would be that Europeans like the Japanese don't see overt sexuality as taboo, i mean i noticed that European programming is alot more open to nudity. I don't think anyone supports child molestation but i just think for them its a little easier to overlook the sexualization of young characters. That's my guess.
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2013-06-27, 20:23 | Link #43 | |
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2013-06-27, 21:10 | Link #47 | |
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It seems to me that the approach we see in "anime culture", anyway, is a bit less dogmatic: feelings are feelings, and exploring them in a fictional setting is okay, even if (and particularly given) you can't and wouldn't explore it in real life. However, this takes you into the abyss-filled territory of "the line between fiction and reality", and the balance between "personal responsibility to know the difference" and "society's responsibility to step in for those people who can't tell the difference". It's not uncommon in these sorts of discussions for people to be less concerned with their own reaction to the content, but more concerned that there may potentially be other people out there attracted to this content and who may, therefore, lose sight of the line between fiction and reality. These fears aren't entirely rational, but the sense of risk/danger is intense and personal (particularly when you're talking about parents with young children). Anyway, I don't like this discussion because, as I said before, no matter what you say it can be perceived as a form of extremism, and make it seem like you're supporting or advocating something you would absolutely never support or advocate. But, at the same time, I don't think dogmatism provides the answers to these murky questions, even if dogmatism is what causes the questions to seldom be asked.
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2013-06-27, 21:23 | Link #48 |
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I was trying to ask a largely empirical question about the portrayal of children in modern Japanese culture writ large. Nearly all my experience with Japanese culture consists of exposure to anime and, to a much lesser degree, exposure to Japanese art in museums.
I don't think Toddlers to Tiara is especially relevant here just as I wouldn't consider the few weird Japanese game shows I've seen relevant either. I'm trying to ask a broader, perhaps more "academic," question about differences between Japanese and Western cultures. I'm actually a bit more interested in "high" culture. Lolita was seen as beyond the pale when it was published in the mid-1950s. (So was Tropic of Cancer I believe.) Would an equivalent story by a Japanese novelist have generated the same outrage then? Today?
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I think if that's the best you can offer this discussion, you should find somewhere else to post.
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2013-06-27, 21:57 | Link #55 | |
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In comparison, Anime is already a niche hobby in Japan. The loli anime that we're talking about here is a niche within a niche. Those weird game shows that you referenced are far more popular with the general Japanese audience than these anime. |
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2013-06-27, 22:51 | Link #57 |
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If it's fiction and you don't act out whatever weird fetish or sexual preferences you have in the real world, then who cares. You're a closeted gay person who likes little boys? Cool, just don't act them out in the real world and I have no problem with you. Also don't come up to me and be obsessive about said "material" because I won't care.
You like rape pictures of little girls in schoolgirl uniforms in anime style? Cool, just don't go thinking you can get away with doing that with actual school girls or try to get me interested in that type of ficitional material. Otherwise, to me it's free game. Why should someone or something filter how you want to use your imagination or masturbatory material if you're keeping quiet about it to yourself. |
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