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View Poll Results: Aquarion EVOL - Episode 23 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 12 | 18.46% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 13 | 20.00% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 8 | 12.31% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 3 | 4.62% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 3 | 4.62% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 1 | 1.54% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 4 | 6.15% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 2 | 3.08% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 1 | 1.54% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 18 | 27.69% | |
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2012-06-07, 07:57 | Link #421 |
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It's not just the number of characters, it's the writers' inability to handle them. Genesis had the same amount of mostly-regulars (or even more), and still managed not to lose focus. Just as a comparison, correct me if I missed anyone:
Genesis Deava: Fudou, Rena, Sophia, whatshisface the vice comander guy, Apollo, Silvia, Sirius, Reika, Tsugumi, Pierre, Jun, the Paku Romi twins Baddies: Touma, Otoha, Futaba, and 5 more angels who were smaller but nevertheless speaking roles Random: Baron & Chibiko (arguable, but they were important and appeared from time to time) So even if we don't count the 5 minor angels it's still 18 charas Evol: Neo-Deava: Fudou, Crea, Suomi & Donar, Amata, Mikono, Zessica, Mix, Andy, Shrade, Cayenne, Sazanka, Yunoha Baddies: Mykage, Kagura, Izumo, Jin (deceased) Random: Alisia (arguable because she's in stasis, but she's important) Altogether 18 charas, 16 if we don't count Jin and Alisia. And yet... Genesis managed to have episodes focusing on Pierre (oh lol the gattai addiction ep) and Tsugumi, lots of episodes that were basically fillers and existed mostly to have fun with the cast, and still the main characters were never handled as bad as they are in Evol. Last edited by kuromitsu; 2012-06-07 at 08:12. Reason: ah, left out Yunoha |
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Unlike in Evol, I actually cared about characters it Genesis, each one of them.
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2012-06-07, 10:35 | Link #423 | |
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2012-06-07, 10:37 | Link #424 | |
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Mikono even told him to stay at Neo-Daeva and protect the school (she was in no more danger when she left initially than when he went chasing after her blindly). Him leaving Neo-Daeva to chase her against her wishes is what set off the events that led to her kidnapping, to Zessica's body-snatching, to Shrade's death, loss of yet another vector, and to the activation and loss of the Aquarion. All of these events tie back to the fact that, like a fool, he got caught by Mykage hook, line, and sinker. Amata and Kagura are two sides of the same coin. Kagura just doesn't hide it with pretty words to cover up the fact that his actions are single-minded of purpose and obsessive. At the very least, he's an honest character even if he's the equivalent of an earthquake.
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2012-06-07, 11:31 | Link #425 | |||||
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So, before that happens, let's just look at things rationally. Mikono would've been kidnapped with or without Amata looking for her (why do you think Kagura was even there? what do you think he was trying to do during the whole series?), Neo-Deava would've sent vectors to get Mikono back anyway because she's kind of important, and so Shrade would've died because he would've insisted on piloting Aquarion, just as he insisted on joining Operation Let's Save Mix. And Mykage would've taken over Zessica with or without Amata's involvement, that was settled many episodes earlier! All Mykage was waiting for was Solar Aquarion to appear. That's why he needed Amata, and if Amata hadn't gone looking for Mikono then Mykage would've made him go there in some other way (like, sending his Cherubim on a rampage to lure out Neo-Deava forces). Last edited by kuromitsu; 2012-06-07 at 11:54. |
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2012-06-07, 12:47 | Link #426 |
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kuro, fighto fighto ehm ... Don't know if someone already said this but Amata at least has a reason to be "obsessed", Mikono reciprocates or gave him big hints of reciprocating him. That gives him enough justification for being so, I'd say, resolute pursuing his relationship.
Zessica never ever had any positive hints, on the contrary she knew from the start that Amata liked Mikono, having said that, I could totally understand her 'til she confessed. After that I agree with Kuromitsu that it became an obsession. I don't need to start speaking of Kagura's, do I? I don't care what Amata did or what Zessica did because of their issues, because this is an anime, and this is EVOL, (do we really want to debate using EVOL inconsistencies? ) on my part I find normal for a MC stealing a vector or for an underdog girl sacrificing herself in the name of love. But generally speaking they are in two different positions. What divides love interest from obsession is a thin line, but for me Zessica crossed that line, Amata didn't. He is in love and "someone" is feeding his love now and then.
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2012-06-07, 14:03 | Link #429 | ||||
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So, basically, the mere existence of Kagura gives Amata a pass to never let Mikono be on her own, even when she requests it? (Sounds like an over protective parent floundering in obsession with their child's so called *safety*.) Even though she defended said invader? Has an attachment to said invader? And thinks said invader is not a bad person? Seems more like Amata is quite disturbed by the concept of Kagura taking Mikono (specifically willingly) from him than he is about Mikono being in danger. The fact that the mere dream, staring non other than Kagura, sends him flying while a giant portal opening in the sky does not, seems to point in this direction. Quote:
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As for letting Zessica go, there's a multitude of reasons just as letting Andy go has its reasons. She'd be driven to make right what was wrong (Andy is driven to save MIX), she's one of the only TWO remaining females with which to form the various forms of Aquarion and sending only one is a risk. Quote:
In the same way that Zessica's actions caused a rippling effect with negative consequences (for herself and for others), Amata's actions caused a rippling effect with negative consequences.
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2012-06-07, 14:08 | Link #430 | ||||||||
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I'm just trying to get it out of my system before the haters arrive. Though I see it's too late... Amata is not this subforum's favorite fictional person, and that's putting it mildly, but things are getting a teeeny little bit ridiculous. (Amata, hiding his horrible, base, sick obsession with pretty words! That rake! )
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...OK, trying to take this seriously for five minutes, remember episode 6? When they were running from Kagura? Amata said something along the lines of "I also feel I know him - and I know I can't let him take you." ("あいつにだけは") Also, it's not just Kagura "taking" Mikono, it's Kagura hurting Mikono and then taking her. Big difference there. Kagura raping Mikono while Amata is unable to help her... Quote:
...who didn't want them to go save Mix until Fudou gave the order... Crea is awesome and all, but the end result would've been the same. Hell, Amata's plight may have convinced Andy to sneak out with him. Quote:
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Still doesn't justify sending Zessica, or Andy for that matter who wasn't exactly in the right state of mind either. Also, Izumo had already told them why they were getting attacked. Quote:
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Look, there's really no point in continuing this. I'm bowing out because, well, I'm sorry but I can't take this seriously anymore. Please do continue blaming Amata's ~obsession~ for Shrade's death and Mykage taking over Zessica's body. Last edited by kuromitsu; 2012-06-07 at 15:18. |
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2012-06-07, 14:51 | Link #431 |
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Compared to how Apollo was, yes Amata and Kagura are obsessed. It's rather sickening for me that they act so dependant. Like thier whole life revolves around Mikono.
I am begining to see how reincarnations and promises from past lives really suck. Stop making stupid promises, perhaps that's the theme of EVOL. |
2012-06-07, 15:25 | Link #432 | ||
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He disobeyed orders, stole a vector, left the place vulnerable for attacks (who he had no idea would stop) and flew into a quarantined area because of a vague idea that turned out to be false. Then got attacked and had one of his comrades killed in action (saved by Mykage, but still). It was the equivalent to what Zessica did in episode 18. Stop justifying him acting like that. He was reckless and was out of his mind. I'm sick and tired to see Amata's obsessive, unhealthy behavior justified when it's not (have we forgotten how depressed he acted when he couldn't see her or was unable to almost act when she had a misunderstanding in the first episodes? While she never really gave so much thought about him). He's as badly written as the rest. Instead of helping a fallen comrade (which could have been Zessica, Andy, Cayenne, I don't care). Or, oh geez, contact the headquarters to tell them what happened to help them, he starts a feral fight against Kagura over unimportant crap. When Kagura wasn't even violent or anything. His actions are understandable because he has massive 24.000 years old blue balls as Kagura does. But healthy and non-obsessive? Not really. If anything shows how creepy reincarnation romance is supposed to be Quote:
Funny thing that Amata placed unrealistic expectations over Mikono since the beginning (he thought he finally found the one who will wait for him!). She cracked a joke and he took it seriously. Our boy has mental issues which are obvious due to his trauma and reincarnation. I don't blame poor Mikono when she tries to put some distance.
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2012-06-07, 15:47 | Link #433 | |
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It wasn't Amata's fault, that Mix got kidnapped due to Zessica's reckless behavior, it wasn't Amata's fault that Kagura was separated from him, it wasn't Amata's fault that Jin died, it wasn't Amata's fault that Mikono got kidnapped. You can't blame Amata for the things that other people do. Amata himself has been consistently ineffectual to the story so far. |
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2012-06-07, 15:49 | Link #434 | |
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2012-06-07, 16:32 | Link #436 |
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Here's my take on Amata and Zessica:
Both are guilty of having quite a bit of an one-track mind... but then again, we are talking about teenaged crushes here. Many teenagers don't handle their first crush well, if it runs into a lot of complications (Amata) or strongly implied rejection (Zessica). And a lot of teenagers haven't had a lot of life experience, so that can make a failed or struggling crush/romance appear more important than it is. Amata and Zessica both need somebody to take them aside, and talk a bit more sense into them, but that's it. I don't think they're crazy or anything, just a bit obsessed.
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2012-06-07, 16:45 | Link #437 |
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Oops I meant to quote Vena saying that Amata's actions caused rippling effects which had consequences. Since Amata hasn't done anything, and certainly can not be blamed for Zessica's current plight as no one told her to flirt around with the guy who was interested in someone else, and not take no for an answer and to not move her life.
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2012-06-07, 17:34 | Link #439 | |
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It's not like there was anything firm between Amata and Mikono when Zessica started flirting with him. And how did Zessica not take "no" for an answer? She hasn't tried to force anything on Amata. It's not like she's insisting that he be her boyfriend. Geez, in an entertainment medium that includes actual yanderes, you're blowing Zessica's behavior a bit out of proportion, imo.
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2012-06-08, 03:46 | Link #440 | |
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She just loves him, can't help him and is suffering about it. She's pretty much aware her only chance is Mikono ditching Amata in favor of Kagura (if Amata doesn't kill himself over it, that's it) and that in 12000 years from now. I don't think it is anything like pushing herself on him. |
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