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Perfect 10 | 25 | 36.76% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 24 | 35.29% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 15 | 22.06% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 4 | 5.88% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 0 | 0% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
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2013-02-02, 02:43 | Link #63 |
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Well I think it might be obvious that the director and Makishima have a connection or some sort of history. She might have just known who his real identity is, but it looks like she is aware of an existence like his for a while already, which in turn suggests that Makishima's been doing something for a while already.
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2013-02-02, 04:01 | Link #64 | |
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He has a highly sympathetic and understandable end goal, and so it would be nice if he succeeds, but the way he looks down on people to the extent where he's entirely comfortable in snuffing out lives to test people (as we saw in how he killed Akane's friend) is certainly monstrous in a way. But I will say that I could now imagine Makishima being a person who could live non-violently and non-criminally in a world like our own. I don't think he needs chaos for its own sake, but he will create chaos as a means to an end.
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2013-02-02, 04:26 | Link #65 | |
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Makishima is essentially a person who has disconnected himself from the material reality. He is single-mindedly dedicated to that one ideal that he strives to achieve with all his power. He cares about absolutely nothing else but that goal, not Sybil, not society, and most certainly not human life. So yes. As abhorrent and potentially destabilizing it all is, in my eyes, there is no purer intention than the single-minded pursuit of knowing and the beauty that comes with it. After all, even the great tower of information that humanity has built-up over the years was originally a product of the simple desire to know and understand the world with little regard for humanity's interests. Just to be absolutely clear here, the purity I'm talking about here is probably not the same kind of purity you have in mind. As dangerous as it is, I believe that there's a certain beauty, or even innocence, in being able to pursue an idea without considering anything else.
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2013-02-02, 07:41 | Link #66 | |
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Does this sound familiar?
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2013-02-02, 08:05 | Link #67 | |
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In Makishima's case yes his goal of overthrowing the Sybil system is something I can agree with. I think the system is obviously wrong as demonstrated by Makishima's actions and other instances in the story. However is Makishima's actions the only way to overthrow the sybil system? Makishima (and his partner) have been shown to be geniuses. The only think they can come up with is this type of violence? I just can't sympathize with that. You might say evil to fight evil but there are certainly innocent people caught up in all this. In fact while the sybil system is wrong I imagine when it was created it was probably also created with the purest intentions to improve the country. No I don't have an idea of how Makishima could have went about this a different way, but then I am no genius.
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I also don't think he has just one single-minded goal. I think he has multiple goals, or at least hopes. Yes, he hopes to rid the world of Sibyl. However, I think a big part of him is also hoping that Kogami figures out his plan so he can have a thrilling challenge (and, perhaps a meeting of the minds) with Kogami. So I don't think that Makishima is all about any one lone thing. I think he's more complex than that. Quote:
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2013-02-02, 08:51 | Link #69 | |||
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Of course, I'm not denying that Makishima has an ego because he has a damn huge one, but it's precisely because of that that he can cause so much terror and chaos without batting an eye. Quote:
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It's no surprise that religion, art, and science all sprung from the same source: a fundamental appreciation of the nature, a desire to translate the vastness of the universe into the realm of human understanding. In ancient Greece, for example, these three concepts were nearly indistinguishable from each other, and I suppose it need not be said that much of today's knowledge base comes from this age of human history. Of course, it was inevitable that practical applications began to take precedence, and I don't condemn that at all. I just think it's quite fine and wonderful to return to the roots of it all, to pursue such things as an end, and not just as a means.
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2013-02-02, 09:15 | Link #70 | |
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Makishima clearly doesn't care about human life for its own sake; he only sees value in human life if that life is free from the corrupting influence of Sybil or a system like Sybil. But nonetheless, I do think he cares about the future of humanity in general. "Give me freedom or give me death" - Patrick Henry. I think that Makishima feels that this applies to humanity as a whole - Any human that isn't free has a truly worthless life. Don't get me wrong - He's not a wild-eyed idealist. He realizes the great practical obstacles that stand before him. And so he's aware that destroying Sibyl may leave nothing but destruction in its wake. But I think Makishima hopes that there is something of value beyond Sibyl. I'll leave it at this for now, but I might discuss this more with you later.
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2013-02-02, 09:21 | Link #71 | |
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"Ends justify the means" isn't really a good way to describe Makishima's actions either. Quite frankly, helping to provide cyborg hunter guy a steady supply of *game* to hunt and kill in secret isn't exactly a revolutionary activity, and it didn't contribute anything to this latest large scale operation. In fact, the ending of this episode makes one wonder if this operation is less of some kind of end run plan on Makishima's part, or him helping to set things off, then tagging along as the hacker guy and his buddies indulge in their curiosity about the Sybill system. I will say though. As fundamentally fascinating/scary Makishima is, I can't help but think of him as being a bit of a hipster. What with his "E-books are too plebeian" spiel. I can't but think when Choe actually gets a paper back of the books Makishima suggested, Makishima will lecture him again about how he should have gotten the incredibly rare first edition printing, since current day printings lack *character*
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2013-02-02, 10:04 | Link #73 | |
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As for the "ends justifies the means" I am not sure if Makishima himself thinks in these terms, but I still see him as this type of antagonist and it is an antagonist/character that Urobuchi likes to write. After all we constantly measure Makishima actions vs the Sybil system in discussions. For example lets say there is something after the destruction and the world does become a better? Then how do we judge Makishima's actions? If you are saying that Makishima did not care about coming up with another method because for him this isn't about "basic human rights" then yes that I agree with. But then I have another question is Makishima's extreme of humans turning into wolves any better than the sybil system turning humans into sheep?
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2013-02-02, 11:24 | Link #74 | ||
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2013-02-02, 11:51 | Link #75 | |
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To me he looks like a definition psychopath. Highly intelligent, manipulative and no feelings of conscience. For him this is nothing but a game. He is meassuring his strength with the sybil system and he is disgusted with the petty humans, who have stopped thinking and became sheep. Because being able to think freely, plan things ahead like a chess player is Makishimas specialty. It is correct he does not do this for the good of the society, but I dont see any indication of this being anything more to him, but a game. A game he needs to play to keep his twisted mind pleasantly occupied. Not much beauty in that, nor is this something to be admired. |
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2013-02-02, 12:37 | Link #76 |
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It's clear to me that one of Makishima's goals is to take down or interfere with the Sybil System, but I don't see him doing it as a heroic act, either. He's just out to have 'fun,' according to his definition of the word, which happens to include chaos, violence, and a lack of societal stability. I assume this is the 'normalcy' he was referring to when speaking with his collaborator.
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2013-02-02, 12:53 | Link #77 | |
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That doesn't mean I don't think he's twisted (he's capable of cold blooded murder) but to me this is more than just a game to him.
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2013-02-02, 12:58 | Link #78 |
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I think his desire for destruction is a bit more sophisticated than to just destroy things. He wants to take down the system, for sure, however I think his ultimate goal is a lack of stability. He finds entertainment and garners enjoyment from watching the bonds of the system break down. His plans have shown that he wants more violence, more panic, but not for any reason other than that he considers it 'normal.' In this light, he does want to take down Sybil, but I do think, on some level, it's something of a game for him.
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2013-02-02, 13:10 | Link #79 | |
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2013-02-02, 13:55 | Link #80 |
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Oh no... this series could go anywhere from here. I hope they aren't in the "Matrix."
There is no mention of a national or federal government yet! Where is the army/self defense forces? Where is the backup? This series could go Big O now. This could all be a simulation. Everyone in the city could be a prisoner, mental patient, passenger in a spaceship. What or who is the Sibyl system? |
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