2004-05-20, 18:29 | Link #62 | |
AKA Torgen from We Suck
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2004-05-20, 18:38 | Link #63 | |
mentionitis ouendanica
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The way I see it, the "vulture group" is taking an active initiative to bring the stalled series on time - which is far better than some leecher passively complaining about how the original group is doesn't have time to give her her daily dose of [insert stalled series here]. This is assuming, of course, that the "vulture group" isn't doing a royally atrocious job of subbing the series or doing something unethical like starting from the beginning and copying the original group's translations. If the original group feels that the "vulture group" is doing a decent job - perhaps they can ask that group to work together with them to do a joint project so that there's co-operation instead of competition...another reason that translators in a "vulture group" may not want to completely join the original group is because the "vulture group" has already established themselves, and the translator may not want to break away from her original group. I'm not completely familiar with the intricacies of the fansub scene, so please feel free to point out any flaws to my thinking. (Note that my above points don't apply to "parasitic groups" who try to jump on the bandwagon of an oversubbed show such as Naruto.) |
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2004-05-20, 21:14 | Link #64 | |
Lives under a bridge
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And Torgen, there _are_ ways of releasing episodes even when you don't have a full-time translator with your group at the time. It certainly makes things a challenge, but Genbu has not had a permanent translator in a year and a half, and we've still managed to release several episodes. |
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2004-05-20, 22:50 | Link #65 |
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Join Date: Feb 2004
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About the vulture group thingy, I see it more like passing the baton when they cannot continue anymore. I think it's more cruel to just stand and watch a group strugling with a series and nobody do something about it.
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2004-05-21, 02:24 | Link #67 |
Raid-the-mods
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Sol System
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I like the passing of the baton thing. There are cases where groups cannot continue or do not have time to work on a project and another group has excess capacity. I see nothing wrong with joint-ventures.
I see nothing with teaming up with another group or finishing another groups work if they credit the previous group or something like that then this works out well. The industry has a lot of examples. IBM had problems with OS/2 and they called in Microsoft and now look at where we are now. OS/2 was dropped and Windows dominates the market. OK. so Microsoft is more like a vulture but you get my point. Someone should continue to fight the good fight. |
2004-05-21, 06:26 | Link #69 | |
Triad's Friendly Editor
Join Date: Jul 2003
Age: 43
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Crediting the other group is really no good if you didn't have their support to begin with, sorta like how those French groups contact me and say, "Hey, send us scripts so we can release in French, since there are no Japanese to English translators IN THE WORLD! Of course we'll credit you! And if you don't, we'll just rip the text from your releases and credit you anyway!" Standing on the shoulders of giants is all well and good, but don't be a jackass about it. |
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2004-05-23, 09:30 | Link #71 |
Uber Coffee for da win!
Join Date: May 2003
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I see that AonE has started subbing Daa Daa Daa again, so if anything that's one possitive thing that's come out of this thread. We've gotten one stalled series going again. Can't wait for the others, oh, and props to AonE for subbing Daa Daa Daa and working to complete it. Two thumbs up!
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2004-05-23, 11:02 | Link #72 | |
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Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: good 'ole US of A
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2004-05-23, 14:13 | Link #73 | |
AnimeONE Typesetter
Join Date: Nov 2003
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Id have to say i totaly agree with you here, not to say that i look down upon groups who pick stuff up where otheres have wored up to when the original groups are still working on it. And to you guys who notice that a series you like gets stalled, by a group you like to get the series from, why dont you ask yourselfs what can i do to help the group releasing the series at a better pace. Remember fansubs are made for free, by fans, for fans, by living people who have real life stuff to deal with. And to you guys who wanted Daa Daa Daa, AnimeONE is still doing it and wont stop we released 40 and 41 recently go get them and enjoy. Take Care Sakaki- |
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2004-05-23, 14:46 | Link #74 |
Lunar Translator
Join Date: Mar 2003
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w00t!
GO sakaki! Daa^3 is Aone's best series! ^___^ Finding raws is evil, so I appricate your work And as you can see, our bakuten is still moving too! (OMG! O_O...) We just have some internal issues right now... =( I personally hate it when other groups do MY personal projects, I always feel somewhat offended... but I guess that's just life. (Take AFK and AI-baby for instance... I know they do a decent job, but I was still aghast when I found they were doing it...) |
2004-05-23, 15:22 | Link #76 | |
Guardian of the Seal
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We need good raws, we have a lot of translations done but we absolutely refuse to use the crappy 50MB raws we have that don't even have a op and ed ^^; If you can help us find good quality raws, or anyone else, please PM me! |
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2004-05-23, 19:21 | Link #79 | |
Triad's Friendly Editor
Join Date: Jul 2003
Age: 43
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I mean, that's what you mean when you call them your personal projects, right? |
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2004-05-23, 21:21 | Link #80 | |
Lunar Translator
Join Date: Mar 2003
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I've just been playing the lunar side-story lately (Lunar Gaiden, AKA Lunar: Mahougakuen), and I can't seem to pull myself away >.> Though hearing that people actually watch it want more tends to inspire me to do more ^_^... but I seem to get caught up in the "Just one more battle" problem... |
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