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Even though that makes sense, I can't picture Genji killing the family members. He seems so... loyal. Unless the culprit solved the riddle, and became "Kinzo". Then yes, I think he could command Genji to do this murder. |
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It might actually help anime watchers if they knew what was in the game too, it's not like everything was left out because it wasn't important. They're fitting 4 huge games into 26 episodes, there are time constraints and pacing that have to go into account as well. :3
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2009-09-19, 16:02 | Link #2184 | |
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Because it will be really stupid that something that Bern said you in EP1 at the end turns to be the absolute truth. Because he already said that there is a culprit (with a "why?" as the most imporant thing about) roaming around the island. |
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The anime still screwed up a couple of things too (Natsuhi falling right when the door opened in EP1... where George got staked in EP2...), so it's not a bad idea to check the original media source for information as well.
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2009-09-19, 16:08 | Link #2186 |
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The whole Beatrice as personification of the rules... yes, she is the gamemaster, she personifies the rules.
But right now, we also know that there is a culprit behind her illusion, a culprit with a really important "why", as Ryuukishi said. So the whole "she is not a definite person" maybe had sense in EP1, but not now. |
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2009-09-19, 23:42 | Link #2188 |
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However you still need to get around the red truth of ep4. Battler is alone and yet Beatrice killed him.
There's been a lot of crazy theories, but the more the story progress the more I think "simple is best". There might be an easy explanation for this. Just think about Rosa in ep3. "I killed Beatrice". However we know that she didn't directly killed her, and she didn't even had the intention to do so. In other words "I will kill you" doesn't necessarily means that Beatrice will directly kill Battler nor that she will consciously do so. It is more like she causes Battler to die somehow. It's not much different from what Beatrice said a little earlier: "because of you everyone dies, no one remains alive."
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2009-09-20, 07:15 | Link #2192 |
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If you put it that way, I agree. Ryukishi in ep4 really went to a great extent as to explain how "magic" is formed, created, transmits from people to people, influence people and consequently the world around them.
Now it becomes something like this, "does fantasy exist?" If I say that fantasy exists, people will say: "where does fantasy exist? It isn't a real object, it's just a concept." If I say fantasy doesn't exist, people will say: "how can you say that? If fantasy didn't exist, people wouldn't dream, they could not imagine anything but the real world." So you get to realize there are different way for something to "exist". Something can exist as a physical entity, but you can say something exists as a concept. In such perspective is it possible to say that "magic" exists? Is it possible to say it doesn't exist? I think Ange came to a somewhat good conclusion: "I don't recognize the magic as being real, but I do recognize that it can be real for someone somewhere"
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If the culprit is someone who is trying to blend in with everyone else then they cannot have any suspicious items on them. The culprit initially has the extra key hidden in a secret location but for some reason is unable to return to that location after the murders are complete. Instead of trying to find a new place to hide the extra key the culprit reasons that completely destroying the key would be the safest solution to avoid getting caught. Since the culprit's goal of creating the closed room illusion is complete there is no need for the key anymore. EPISODE 2 We get the red declaration"The only master keys are the ones that each servant holds, one per person" at a little after 7:30am. However, this does not confirm that there are only 5 at that time even though we believe there are only 5 servants. The culprit could be acting as a sixth servant who is trying to carry out Kinzo's epitaph. However, an extra sixth key cannot explain the last closed room where George, Shannon, and Gohda die since Rosa takes control of all the keys and Beatrice declares in red, "There are only 5 master keys." EPISODE 3 At 7:00am we get the red declaration, "There are five, one for each servant". So the extra key was destroyed after the first twilight. EPISODE 4 There are no red declarations during the episode so the extra key could have been detroyed at the very end just before the key ring is placed on the Chapel steps where Battler ultimately finds it. Spoiler for EPISODE 5:
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2009-09-20, 12:04 | Link #2197 |
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It may take a bit of time that the culprit does not have to go the cliff, throw the key, and come back. If the culprit has the means of destroying the key immediately available to them then that may be a better option to them.
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2009-09-20, 12:07 | Link #2199 |
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Destroying a key is pretty difficult and can take a while. Remember, in episode 1, Kinzo's key survived being tossed in the incinerator.
Hiding a key is fast and easy. (For example, if the killer doesn't plan on using it again, toss it out into the middle of the roses. Nobody will be able to find it without a metal detector.) Even if somebody does discover the extra key, it poses little danger to the killer. |
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