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View Poll Results: Mobile Suit Gundam 00 - Episode 11 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 27 | 25.23% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 30 | 28.04% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 19 | 17.76% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 14 | 13.08% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 10 | 9.35% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 2 | 1.87% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 1 | 0.93% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 1 | 0.93% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 3 | 2.80% | |
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2007-12-20, 13:41 | Link #123 |
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Not that I don't understand, but anyone in a Gundam forum who watches 00 would have to be on the special-side to not know that that's an abbreviation for a named Gundam chcaracter...The context of the passage will tell you immediatley I'm not talking about the muslim translation for God...
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2007-12-20, 16:05 | Link #125 |
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I just finished this episode on Crunchyroll and...my god Allelujah! Hallelujah REALLY has reached a new level of creepy! But...is it me or did that kid that chibi Hallelujah corner sound like Jun from Rozen Maiden? Speaking of that...awww! Allelujah so cute when he's little!
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2007-12-20, 16:36 | Link #126 |
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I gave this a little more thought and is it me, or is Hallelujah the general human subconscious in that when it comes down to it, we know we come first and do whatever we see as necessary to achieve our goals, and if it comes to us or our morals, eventually our morals will give way.
Hallelujah seems to be creepy because that is the unabated human subconscious IMO...that selfish take-what-you-want type, and the reason we all act like Al rather than Hal is social constraints rather than us being generally chummy folks.
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2007-12-20, 18:33 | Link #127 | |
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2007-12-20, 21:39 | Link #129 | |
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Atleast I think...
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2007-12-21, 01:49 | Link #132 |
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Watched the Conclave-Mendoi sub of Episode 11.
A very good episode, actually. Not much mecha action, but that hardly matters since the character background development of Allelujah takes center stage. And I'd say they handled it very well indeed. No qualms in a 10/10. |
2007-12-21, 02:30 | Link #133 | |
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I don't think thats the case. Halelujah said this is like "back then" - that Alelujah needs him to take care of things he can't bring himself to do. This comment would not make sense if Halelujah had been the main personality at first. Even if we assume he somehow developed the "kind" part of his personality (though i can't imagine why in the super soldier center), the comment still wouldn't make sense - that Alelujah is the one that needs him to take care of things now, just like back then.
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2007-12-21, 08:57 | Link #134 | |
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2007-12-21, 11:54 | Link #135 | |
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What Hal wanted isn't for Al to turn evil; he wanted Al to stop acting like he is some sort of saint. Hal is supposedly the hitman Al sends out to keep Al's own hands clean, and we all know both the hitman and the person who hired him are to be considered murderers. EDIT: Just watched the subs again. Hal made it pretty clear he is annoyed at Al's behavior. When Al refused to fire, Hal asked why he decided to start the mission to begin with if he wasn't going to follow though. And when Al claimed he did it because he is a Gundam Miester, Hal asked if being a Gundam Meister makes it okay to kill people. Hal kill because he want to, and make no excuses. While Al push responsibilities to either his job description or Hal. Essentially, Hal can see that Al made half-baked decisions like Joining CB and decided to attack the research facility. But It was always Hal who ended up having to finish the job Al started. Hal just want Al be more honest with his own dark side. Hal might be the bad half, but that doesn't automatically make Al the good half.
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2007-12-21, 13:01 | Link #136 |
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Another thing mostly un-talked about at the moment; this episode had Sergei being informed that the HRL was starting to secretly work with the Union about CB. Now that it's been shown that no one nation can beat CB and take all the rewards, even when they have surprise and great preparation, it's time for teamwork. In the nature of game theory in a three-way struggle, two sides will team up, get the benefit (if they can), and leave the third out of the game and rewards.
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2007-12-21, 15:16 | Link #137 |
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@VCV - All sound points, I'm just saying based on their interaction with one another it seems to me Halleh was trapped in the sense he couldn't breakthrough unless ultimately needed or by quantum interference. Before Soma appeared Halleh wasn't even prevalent, so now that he is I believe he'll say anything not to be trapped again (and that includes all of his conversations with Alleh, which in effect are pure delusions)...The essential point is that Halleh (however you want to view it) is trying to keep his side of the personality alive, and if it means empowering his otherside than sobeit…
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2007-12-21, 16:43 | Link #138 | |
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And a point appeared to be made that Al seemed to get his control back relatively easily. This doesn't appear to be because Al was somehow "in control", but because Hal always voluntarily hand back the body after a battle. This fits what Hal claimed, which is that he is only interested in self-preservation and little else. If Hal was genuinely interested in controlling the body permanently, he would have been far more active up to this point. And seriously, what WAS Al planning to do, bringing missile launchers to the Spacestation? If he wasn't going to blow up the building with the kids inside, he was most certainly carrying the wrong equipment. This entire mission was Al's idea, including killing all these kids, so Hal certainly has the right to lecture him. It's a little like going to a "peaceful demonstration" carrying a backpack full of Molotov cocktails. I can claim to be peace-loving all I want, but what I carry would betray my true intentions. Al, when crunch time comes, may be a coward. But his intentions were not pure. He started everything this episode, but could not take responsibility for what he has made himself do. Hal is definitely not to blame here. If Al was having second-thoughts at the last second, he clearly should not have organized this assault to begin with.
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2007-12-22, 03:26 | Link #140 |
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Haha, yeah, that's true. I tend to give more credit to Al than I should, but it seemed like he thought about not blowing the kids up when he started getting a "psychic" link with them... He sorta realized they were alive too, like him, in the same situation. Hal's points were... not very endearing. His major arguments were that there's no point in trying to save the kids because they'd never have normal lives and that they didn't want to be saved.
Neither one is very sound and neither one has much to do with what Al did or did not come to do. Of course, the whole split personality thing seems like some form of escapism/blame shifting. Deep down, Al wanted to live (which is pretty normal, most people are like that). Some part of him was willing to do anything for it. Most of him couldn't accept that. Add a little mind screwing and... yeah. One point is that the scientist guy says that Hal appeared after the Glial cell enhancements/treatment. As in, before the whole thing where Al and others were sent to drift through space (to their deaths?). That kind of destroys the theory that Al created Hal to escape the blame of killing all those other kids. @wingdarkness: Thanks for changing how you call them. I'm not sure why it was bothering me, but I appreciate it. |
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