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I'd rather save that comment untill I have seen his next movie that will be coming out in a few months |
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2013-01-29, 08:12 | Link #82 | |
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2013-01-29, 08:15 | Link #83 | |
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you mean this example?
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edit: while we are at it, why did you make such an assumption that studio Ghibli has gone worse with examples of 2 of their not even most recent movies? Last edited by hyl; 2013-01-29 at 08:33. |
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2013-01-29, 09:03 | Link #84 | |
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Man, if you don't like my opinion, then chill and ignore. Or point out what you don't like, but don't turn it into some game you have to win. And I didn't mean that I hate Ghibli, I love them. I just didn't like some of their movies as much as others. |
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2013-01-29, 10:03 | Link #85 |
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Personal opinion I do think Studio Ghibli has gone downhill a bit, but my personal opinion has nothing to do with the success of the company & I would still say Ghibli is very successful and recognized in Japan.
And worldwide Ghibli is also more recognized than other anime to a wide public (as in not just kids or anime fans). As for Ghibli vs Kyoani besides K-On! I don't recall any Kyoani titles appealing to outside the typical Otaku demographic. I know a lot of us don't like to be called Otaku (I don't identify with that term either) but most of us are familiar with anime in ways even the general public of Japan is not, so keep that in mind. I do agree that Studio Ghibli will have an issue in the future after Miyazaki & Takahata passes on. Yes there are other people who work on films there but no one has truly taken their place. Perhaps that will only happen when Miyazaki & Takahata truly do stop making movies and the studio can step away from their shadows.
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Hm? K-ON was one of KyoAni's downright worst offenders in appealing to otaku. That anime was not targeted to girls; it was targeted to cute moe and slice of life fans, of whom most of which were males. If it was a girls' anime, there would be a lot more male characters with names. Not to mention the original manga ran in a seinen (young adult male) magazine. |
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I have never seen K-ON so I am definitely not a fan. Not trying to make out the series is something it's not.
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2013-01-29, 15:19 | Link #89 | |
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Anyway, my point was who it was trying to target. Of course there will be surprising audiences, and what you say is true. It doesn't mean that Keion is not a male otaku targeted show, however, and that's who KyoAni intended to, and succeed at, grabbing. And I actually liked the show, I just got bored of watching after Season 1 since nothing interesting to me happened except a couple of expected plot points in S2. But yeah I see what you're saying. |
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In any case, Hosoda and Studio Chizu seems to be a much better point of comparison than Kyoto Animation. Quote:
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2013-01-29, 18:17 | Link #93 | |
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Even if Ghibli ran out of money I would bet they could just ask for "donations", and get enough to make a whole another movie, if not more. They have the power and influence to do whatever they want |
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2013-01-29, 18:22 | Link #94 | |
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True. Ghibli is like legend in the anime industry. A Pillar. |
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2013-01-29, 18:47 | Link #95 |
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Yea, that's what I meant. The studios that do that stuff all the time are just going the beaten path and doing what they know will sell high to fans right now. Ghibli can be a lot more classy and not rely on panty shots and harems (guilty pleasures ) to make a lot of money.
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2013-01-29, 20:09 | Link #96 | |
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EDIT: Nvm... It seems the normal target was girls to begin with Anyway he said something about the movie of the production of the Mitsubishi A6M Zero.
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Of course what I find sort of ironic is that Hosoda is not shy about saying his new studio Chizu was created just to make his own movies,it'll be interesting to see if he's willing to welcome in other directors later in his career. Quote:
It's the latter that I'm really looking forward to,Takahata hasn't failed me yet and he's been working on this for 5 years at least,highly looking forward to it.
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2013-01-29, 21:56 | Link #98 | |
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I'm starting to get annoyed at this hidden assumption that otaku = bad.
This is a discussion about Studio Ghibli. Keep it at that, okay? Stop bashing K-On. We don't need to know about anyone's most original opinion that K-On is moetrash or pandering or whatever. And this is my being polite. Or else I'll start abusing the lack of rep repercussions to have some fun. Anyway, Quote:
I'm sure you know the concept of "family-friendly entertainment." But just a recap, it means the kind of entertainment that is targeted primarily at kids, meaning it is more or less innocuous, but capable of being enjoyed by "the whole family," parents of the kids, older children, teenagers if they aren't in the "too cool for X" phase, and so on. In short, the general public. The term "family-friendly" entertainment indicates that it's a work that can appeal to just about everyone in a society, the largest common ground. In the United States, Disney's movies have this status. Everyone -- children, parents of children, adults, the President -- all know about them, hear about them, maybe watch them. Mainstream entertainment media always cover them and evaluate them from the "family friendly" point of view. They're household names. Everybody knows about the Lion King. Therefore, each time Disney releases a big animated feature film, it competes for box office numbers with blockbuster releases of live action movies on a more-or-less equal ground (we'll ignore complications of American perceptions of animation here). Their successes are thus measured on a standard of many, many millions of dollars and many watchers, just like any big film from James Cameron or Michael Bay or Steven Spielberg. That doesn't mean animation enthusiasts in the United States ignore their existence because they're so mainstream. People who like Teen Titans or Marvel comics or whatever niche entertainment are still interested in them. The general public. Everyone. What I meant to say, and what I meant to correct you on in the first place, is that Ghibli stands on the same ground in Japan as Disney does in the United States. It has nothing to do with your and my opinion whether their movies are childish or appealing to all, but rather on the demographics of who goes to buy tickets at a movie theater to watch them when they get released. And that includes the general Japanese public, including both otaku who follow the anime industry closely and the non-otaku people who generally perceives anime as "childish" and usually watch whatever popular drama happens to be on prime time TV over there, among other groups. We call an anime a success when it sells ten thousand DVDs or whatever the magic number is these days, but DVDs of Ghibli movies sell at a much, much higher volume. Your first post up there somewhere referred to moe, and I inferred from it that you seem to suggest that the moe aesthetic is potentially the cause of why recent Ghibli films seem to have less, shall we say, involving plot compared to earlier ones (that may or may not be true depending on opinion, but let's assume that's true for now). I suggested otherwise, that the moe aesthetic is largely an otaku phenomenon (it has links to the more general kawaii aesthetic, but let's skip that), that Ghibli is not really influenced by it whatsoever, and therefore the moe aesthetic has nothing to do with why Ghibli films have evolved in the direction of...whatever your opinion is about that. My...argument, or really just a discussion post, is not based on either what you or I think of Ghibli or the moe phenomenon, but rather on the "facts on the ground." I'm sorry if I did not make that clear the first time. |
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2013-01-29, 23:02 | Link #99 | |
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One Man= One Studio does seem to be true to a point or if not one man specifically then one core group.
I don't think this is bad per say because then the studio itself represents that person's art. However in many cases when that person leaves the studio fails especially if they are not good at welcoming new talent or don't let new talent do their own thing.
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