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2013-02-12, 10:42 | Link #163 | |
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i think shisui was also in the anbu ranks but he was also on konoha's side like itachi. there may have been other uchiha in anbu, but nobody of consequence clearly. the loyal uchiha had no true positions in any kind of power in konoha |
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2013-02-12, 12:13 | Link #165 | |
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2013-02-12, 21:19 | Link #168 |
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No the just stating that there were people in the clan who were not aware that their own clan was planning to overthrow the konoha government for the clan's benefit. For instance, I didn't see Sasuke's Aunt or Uncle at the meetings so we can't assume they would know what's going unless Kishi tells us in the manga or databooks
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2013-02-12, 22:22 | Link #169 | ||
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You've mentioned Itachi and I think it's a great example to show you that you're wrong (granted that we both agree that we're discussing this purely from this story point of view). I'd argue that the author went to almost unsurpassed length to explain that Itachi wasn't a bad person, that he was in fact quite the opposite, too good for this world even. The editorial view of Kishimoto is that Itachi cannot possibly be blamed for what happened, he's a virtually perfect man put in an awful situation and whose sole flaw was to be too self-reliant. He isn't a bad person, he was wrong. You said that since it's established that Naruto represent Good then it stands to reason that all who don't behave as he does are bad but it is incorrect. It only makes them wrong. Two other things to consider are also that their world is firmly based on the principle that people are good before the society they live in twist them into worse aspects of themselves and that death is revelatory of their true nature. For example someone like Jiraiya who squandered most of his life is still a true hero because of his selflessness at the end. Another example of a less seemingly good natured person would be Kisame whose death reveled that despite his life and deeds his true nature was one of pure loyalty. Long story short very few of the characters are truly bad people, most are simply misguided and even the worst among them usually (if not all the time) used to be good people whose flaws were twisted beyond recognition by the ninja system which transformed them into monsters. Quote:
Basically the one true vilain of the story is the ninja system. Hashirama lessened this evil with the creation of ninja village but it fell short of a true solution (or at least he died before he could do better). As far as Tobirama is concerned the village is the final answer, anything that could threaten it must thus be dealt with whereas in Madara's point of view there is no solution because this is just the way reality is, thus his answer is to gain enough power to physically deny reality. Both will be proved wrong by Naruto because of some cheesy speech I don't care to fathom yet. |
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2013-02-13, 01:33 | Link #170 | |
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Tobirama..... Hashirama..... Hiruzen..... Minato..... Will of the Leaf! By your powers combined, I am Captain Hokage!
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