(L) Fate/Stay Night - Unlimited Blade Works Movie

[Paladinoras]

Originally Posted by Reckoner

A lot is made about the anime when I thought they did a pretty decent job... Though, they probably should have mostly stuck to the Fate route instead of trying to put in elements of HF and UBW.

Anyhow... 90 minutes is way too freaking short. That pretty much scraps the story.

Maybe it's a multi-part movie..

Or starts already halfway into the story, to speed things up.

Eitherway, I can't wait for this movie.

[Flinch]

Remember, no movies of shows are not made for fans. They'll have to explain most of the basic things again, meaning we get to hear Kotomine ramble again. The scene of Gilgamesh with Ilya in the trailer implies that it will at least get to that point in the movie, meaning it will be rushed. Also, I agree that it'll mainly focus around the battles and much less about the dialogue anc character relationships.

[Reckoner]

Originally Posted by Flinch

Remember, no movies of shows are not made for fans. They'll have to explain most of the basic things again, meaning we get to hear Kotomine ramble again. The scene of Gilgamesh with Ilya in the trailer implies that it will at least get to that point in the movie, meaning it will be rushed. Also, I agree that it'll mainly focus around the battles and much less about the dialogue anc character relationships.

Yeah that scene is very late in UBW... There wouldn't be much to animate after that.

[willyvereb]

Wrong.

Spoiler for UBW:

The Gilgamesh vs Berserker scene were late, but there's much to happen even after that. Not to mention we have an even later scene. The first scene in the trailer where Saber is engulfed in blue light and lighting. It was when Rin became saber's master. And it was just after the caster vs Rin fight, at Archer's betrayal. And we also saw a brief scen where Shirou comfronts Archer. The only scenes we haven't seen the ones from the last day. And it's logical to include it also.

[Reckoner]

Originally Posted by willyvereb

Wrong.

Spoiler for UBW:

The Gilgamesh vs Berserker scene were late, but there's much to happen even after that. Not to mention we have an even later scene. The first scene in the trailer where Saber is engulfed in blue light and lighting. It was when Rin became saber's master. And it was just after the caster vs Rin fight, at Archer's betrayal. And we also saw a brief scen where Shirou comfronts Archer. The only scenes we haven't seen the ones from the last day. And it's logical to include it also.

They can't make another whole movie out of that really... The pacing wouldn't make sense if they compared it to the first one.

[Flinch]

So, in a nutshell, we can say goodbye to most of the plot and the drama as we immerse ourselves into the eye candy of battles. Kinda sounds like modern video games...

[willyvereb]

Well, I kinda expected the movie that way when I heard about UBW's confirmation. I keep up my hopes to see a more powerfull-loking Gate of Babylon.

[MonkeyDude]

I'd rather be in the edge of my seat watching the story unfold in a fast pace rather than have the same tale regurgitated ever so slowly. It's not like those who are following this thread hasn't read the visual novel or at least watched the anime. The groundwork has been laid out and I'd rather have them skip stuff (or at least speed through it) that's been done before than waste time explaining everything all over again. Though I do agree that 90 minutes may be cutting it, should at least be 120.

[Flinch]

But the can't market a movie like that, that's the problem.

[RadiantBeam]

Plot? Who needs plot? Let's just give them flashy fights! Everyone loves flashy fights!

[Flinch]

Exactly; let's take a novel with a great plot and great story and throw it away for the flashy fights: instant money maker!

[RadiantBeam]

It's a fool-proof plan! We'll make millions!

[Flinch]

Brilliant!

[RadiantBeam]

The fans will love us for it!

[TJR]

Originally Posted by Flinch

But the can't market a movie like that, that's the problem.

It depends if they're trying to attract new viewers or if they're merely aiming for fan service. Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children was a successful example of the latter -> story was an afterthought since the main purpose was to present flashy battles featuring everyone's favorite characters.

Since Geneon recalled the team in charge of the TV anime, I think they're targeting people who already watched and liked the series. If so, they might skip many of the plot details on the assumption that the viewer already knows those things (and for hardcore fans of the visual novel, it might serve as pretty fan service).

[orangejuicetang]

Well, let's take a look at some of the key scenes in ubw that I still remember.

Spoiler for scenes in no particular order:

Lancer vs Archer pt 1
Rin saves Shirou
Shirou summons Saber
Rin views Archer dream
Archer vs Caster
Archer vs Lancer part2
Ilya flashback
Beserker vs Gilgamesh
Beserker vs Saber+Archer
Rin vs Caster
Archer vs Shirou
Lancer saves Rin
Shirou vs Gilgamesh
Saber vs Assassin
Saber and Rin vs corrupted Grail
ending

Of those, they can shorten some of the caster and assassin, as they've kinda showed that in the anime already. Also, they can cut out some of the rider scene since Rider doesn't do much in this arc. Same goes for Sakura. They'll probably skip the h-scene entirely. They can remove alot of the cooking/light hearted sections. It's still probably going to be rushed though. Honestly, it might be better if they split it into several movies, but with ubw, i can't really think of a suitable point to break off.

[MonkeyDude]

Originally Posted by Flinch

But the can't market a movie like that, that's the problem.

Yeah and it just so happens that a part of the story the movie is adapting just so happened to be a part of one of the most successful and most popular visual novels ever released to date. The visual novel then in turn spawned an anime adaptation, a light novel prequel, an alternate universe fan disc, and a fighting game. Let's not forget that anything Type-Moon is bound to generate a lot of discussion amongst its various communities. Yeah I'm sure they won't be able to market a UBW movie that any FSN fan would watch

They can basically make this a 10 minute thing just showing off the Archer/Shirou and Shirou/Gil fight and the fans would absolutely LOVE it. This movie is purely fanservice and what better way to please the fans than to give them what they want?

[Flinch]

Umm... how about a decent movie? That's one thing that I would want. And to be honest, Fate/Zero would make for a much better movie than any scenario in F/SN. Then again, you couldn't put it into 90 minutes, either. Well, you probably could in a bit over 2 hours.

[RadiantBeam]

I'm going to agree with Flinch on this one; I think Fate/Zero would have made a much better movie than any of the routes, though it wouldn't fit into 90 minutes. Heck, you can't really fit any of the routes into 90 minutes; too much of the story gets cut out.

[Flinch]

One of the main reasons why I found F/Z better than F/SN is because in F/SN everyone knew each other and you can't fight a war effectively if you're friends/associated with your enemies. In Fate/Zero, all the people who knew each other hated each other enough to kill them (save Tokiomi and Kirie). Not to mention, watching Beserker take control of an F-15 and use it against Gilgamesh would be freaking awesome.


Odd thought: If Kotomine Kirie was such a huge threat to Hisauru Maiya, who was without a doubt much more skilled in combat than Shiro, how in the world could Shiro have beaten Kotomine with such ease in the Fate path? Secondly, why did Kotomine only use his Black Keys in HF? Third, Kotomine can break trees with his bare hands- he could've killed any master with such ease: why didn't he do it?