2008-11-03, 00:21 | Link #282 |
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Could she have been panicking inside and not shown it? Who knows. Professionals don't display a panic stake even if they are because it leads to more panicking. Basically it's this: it wasn't look good for her and her team. were they loosing? Simple answer....YES! Once again hard to read everything a picture is trying to tell -- a picture is worth a 1000 words. But I guess if we really want to talk about how anime/manga artist display some sort of a panic, they usually draw drop sweat. OH WAIT, what's that little thing rolling down her face in picture one? ANYWAYS...must sleep... arguments ends here for me tonight!
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2008-11-03, 00:46 | Link #284 | |
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I'm having this discussion in another Forum. Personally I don't think she has. A Half-Awakened is Incredibly rare. I mean, out of all the Generations of Claymores, only 5* have ever been known to Half-Awaken. Rather then a Suicide Mission I think it was just the Organization being short on Power and Warriors. Last edited by Veloc; 2008-11-03 at 01:41. Reason: 4 -> 5 (Jeane xD) |
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2008-11-03, 01:07 | Link #285 |
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first off we know of 5 (6 if we count Alicia in same boat).
And its not confirmed in one form or an other that Half Awakening havent happened before. Its not a subject thats "favorable" to report anyway. And in sutch cases most would likly send a black letter considering the "Viewpoint of awakening" amoung Claymore's. Its actualy far more likly that several have happened in prior generation's but they have either used Black Card or keept quiet about it. |
2008-11-03, 01:43 | Link #286 |
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It does seem that Dietrich is on top of her game, but please bear in mind the ranks abover her are...
the unseen No 7. Renee No 6. who is unfortunately pounced on in an ambush by Riful and Duph Rachel No 5. and Audrey No 3. who in arrogance got pwned by Riful again there ain't much to judge their fighting potential because they actually went against Riful, whereas Galatea mentions that the only chance of survival back in the witches maw is if she Jean and Clare only have to face Duph. (even then they only just made it) No 4. Miata who is insane in the membrane and had a good chance of taking Agatha if she hadn't been busy attacking Galatea. Plenty of power there... Just a shame No 9. sucked, but then Jean may have been no better teamwise. I'll be back to post the Rubul revelation stuff later...
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2008-11-03, 01:44 | Link #287 |
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Oh yes! There were 5. (I forgot Jeane)
But still, a Half-Awakening is Way too Rare (IMO) For there to be Another Accounter. Spoiler:
Even Rubel said that the first time he heard of one was Miria's case. But I guess we will know in time. Last edited by Veloc; 2008-11-03 at 02:02. |
2008-11-03, 03:11 | Link #289 |
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Got to love Helen personality. Too bad her audience are usually the too serious type.
Now this Dietrich is a claymore that you don't get to see very often. She actually have a nice personality. No sign of the usual claymore stuck arrogant attitude. |
2008-11-03, 06:02 | Link #292 |
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Maybe Dietrich was having trouble fending the attacks for the other unconcious claymores so when they were able to move them to a safe spot, she was able to focus on the AB and showed her true strength? Either way even if their powers are similar, the current clamores are definitly not as experienced in fighting the ABs as the ghosts.
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2008-11-03, 08:32 | Link #295 |
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Dietrich is extremly male, yes. Yagi should have exchanged Dietrich's name with Rachel or Undine D. is way too female and cute for such a name (unless she has undergone some surgeries before becoming a claymore) ... on Rachel at least it would have been funny XD
But it's too bad. I had the impression that Yagi was doing a bit more research on the names he's chosing v.v If somebody would tell him, maybe they'd change her name for the next chapter/tankobon ... but then again, the Japanese couldn't care less. If they did they wouldn't make such a mistake to begin with, it's not really a difficult thing to verify ^^; btw, I compared MC2's translation with the japanese raw, and it's pretty accurate. good job =) |
2008-11-03, 09:59 | Link #296 | |
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However 12 chapters a year is really a bitch because it just takes to freaking long. I do think its somewhat special seeing how he probably puts alot of thought and effort in a chap but its just too unbearable for me:S The seriousness of the show and the amount of high lvl information in a ep is really something unique when you compare it with other crap manga's that say the same thing over and over again. And that nr 8 isnt just some pussy. From what i have seen she showed alot of skill. she caught helen offguard just like that being behind her and stuff. So that show that her nr isnt solely for show. and ooh yeah dietrich looks like a mini mira cuz of the hair |
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2008-11-03, 10:13 | Link #297 | ||
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If half awakenings were existing before clare's generation there must be a few cases in every generation. The mibs are scientist that means they are searching for anomalies exactly like half-awakenings. They had 80(!) generations to detect them. And at the begining they probably tried to provoke them on purpose and have done limit - breaking experiments with nearly every claymore in every generation. I had if i were them. Even if only one claymore has ha capabilities the mibs had found it out. After they made such experiments with many claymores(ca. 150 - 200 also 3 - 4 generations) without having success they probably came to the conclusion that there is a limit at ca. 80% yoki release which can not be surpassed without awakening. If you research directly this phenomenon, and we know the goals of the org and we know therefore that they must have done this research directly to find the yoki release threshold, detection is unavoidable unless it wasn't possible for any of the claymores of the earlier generations to do what the fab4 and jean did. A soul link is a far more sophisticated concept of a controlled AB than to make claymores who are able to awaken and control herself. Why come up with something so very complicated if you are not convinced that the much simpler solution is nearly impossible. Then according to my theorie they had an idea to change the manufacturing process even a little in order to make a more stable soul link or perhaps it happend at random, which caused a scientifical break through. but it was to expensive to start limit breaking experiments on a large scale to research the new process, perhaps they didn't even assume that the change makes claymores more stable, the org was short on manpower, there were the AO's and priscilla and they were concentrated and fixated on another strategy, the "soul link" with alicia and beth. So the ha - claymores slipped through her fingers. Rubel had simply luck detecting miria and found with ermitas help helen and deneve. He knew about clare because of her sudden improvement. For me this is the only interpretation which makes sense but if someone has a better idea why things happend as the happened feel free to correct me.
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2008-11-03, 10:36 | Link #298 | |
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Miria immediately noticed Helen and Deneven in the slasher arc. She said those moves are only possible when you approach your limit. Miria noticed the first time she saw Deneven and Helen fight. How come Miria, Helen and Deneven handeler/s did not notice that they were using techniques beyond the nom? Ruble would have to have enormous power within the Org, to instantly take control of any Claymore. Not only that, he would have to be able to examine all the Claymores without anyone getting suspicious. To me the logistics are just too complicated for this to be possible, especially when everyone is watching for sings of improvements in their experiments. Helen, Deneven and Miria went on many missions after the slasher arc, they teamed up with many Claymores, so how is it possible for the Org to stay in the dark for so long? Edit: If you look at chap 84, page 30, Ruble said that they will be squashing the Org once more. This tells me that the Org should be on the alert for spies, and this time they might be out spying the spies.
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2008-11-03, 10:49 | Link #299 | |
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If Rubel was secretly behind delaying the Org's development of a controllable AB/AO's and elimination of any Claymores that could possibly point the Org towards the solution, then the manipulation of 'some Claymores' to become curious about and troublesome to the Org makes sense. You want to throw the Org off the track and eliminate certain Claymores by having them labeled 'traitors'. The Org will just consider those Claymores 'failed experiments' and try something else. If you notice, with the possible exceptions of #1 and 2, each generation seems to be slightly weaker. And Rubel seems to show up when a Claymore(s) peaks his interest. Also Rubel may be behind the policy to eliminate any and all AB's that were previous 'released into the wild' or that were allowed to retire. Rafaela was convinced by Rubel to come out of retirement and to perform missions under his supervision. It appears he assumed Rafaela would kill herself after she ended her sisters life, but needed her abilities to eliminate any rogue Claymores that escaped from the usual hunting parties before giving her intel about Luciela's whereabouts. |
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2008-11-03, 12:01 | Link #300 |
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Hmmm we could really use a few new threads in the subforums. "Awakening" Is a nice topic to have. I made a good post in a thread before that could act as a good initative to a topic. A place to Discuss all Elements Related to Awakening, Awakened Forms etc. Could be a nice thread to also continue the "Half Awakened" issue, its popular topic that comes up in thread after thread. Might be enough to justify a topic around it.
The Claymore Statistic topic could also use a cleanup and perhaps be remade. Perhaps quote the better replies etc while perhaps introducing some elements like "New Claymore Overview" A nice thing when a new Claymore gets introduced, its often a hot topic. Perhaps a "Claymore Characters: "Ghosts", "New Generation", "Awakened & Abyssals". Raki has his own topic and is pretty much amoung the huge minority of normal humans shown. Starting just to feel its a waste we have so many nice conversations that get lost due to the "Chapter Topics" since to much non chapter related is discussed here because it gets brought up here. Opinions on this ? Edit: Also, if there is favor for the idea, we should not rush to make the threads in a hurry but instead talk a little about how they should be made before we do. Like what should be contained so that new reader's now and future will be able to "easily" read up on alot of the main points of a topic. IE: First 3 Posts or so should be: 1 Known Facts, Stats and News regarding say Awakening. 2: Popular Theories and Speculation (Reasoning Needed.) and 3: Quotes of some good posts and active contributer's to the topic. It would make it so much easier to read up on a topic for a new reader or if someone ever feels like making a propper and full Claymore Wiki, it would be easier to use things as material if we sort it a little. |
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