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2012-10-29, 15:49 | Link #202 |
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China and Russia dislike any kind of interventionism because they believe it is a card for America and the west to play and incite rebellions/lead to invasion.
While some people can say China is afraid of its own people and west's "White Knight" intervention could be used to free regions like Tibet, Xinjiang and similar areas, other can cynically argue these interventions in the past are not to the benefits of locals but seemingly help the profit of western companies. Plus, the west don't exactly have that great of a record in "regime change" anyway. Does this mean it is ok for dictators to nerve gas/murder/arrest its own people? No, probably not. But adding western weapons and troops into the mix is no guarantee for success. As for Syria, I think I will sit back and watch-If the rebels are meant to win, they will. If Assad proven to be stronger, o well. If it turn into a Somalia at the throat of Israel, with Jihadis running amok and no government for anyone to hold responsible.... |
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2012-10-29, 20:33 | Link #207 |
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No, China and Russia dislike western intervention in their perceived sphere of influence, they certainly have no qualms about intervening in those countries themselves. They aren't against western intervention based on some ideological ground, but purely from the perspective of their own interests.
And how that is different than the west? Does it matter if a dictator is installed by a CIA or KGB coup? The motive may not be, but the people that are being slaughtered probably doesn't give two **** about the motive. Ask the Albanians if they cared about the reason NATO decided to intervene in Kosovo, or better yet, the Rwandans how good it feels to be ignored. After all, what's a few hundreds of thousands of deaths if it means western companies didn't make any profits! So if Joe Mohammad was bombed into smithereens by a drone attack, his family should take comfort it was done by the Americans for freedom and liberty? Chemo and radiation therapy also isn't a guarantee for success, I guess cancer patients shouldn't bother with those either. But the patients are given the right of refusal, and analysis, and medical advice. The Yemenis's version of Obamacare apparently involve Hellfire missiles in the dark of the night. |
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Sure am glad you weren't in charge back in the 40s, after all, Hitler may have been gassing/murdering/arresting his own (and other's) people, but since a US intervention isn't guaranteed to be successful, we shouldn't get involved right? Or better yet, we should have asked the German people for permission to intervene first! Seriously, try to debate the issues without resorting to logical fallacies and deflections. |
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2012-10-29, 22:32 | Link #209 | |
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Never minding Adolf declared war on America, or the fact the Nazi's extermination was modeled after American eugenic policies in the same era. Or if idiots like the western powers never put up the punishing treaty at Versailles, this whole mess would had been avoided and the like of Nazis would never came to power. |
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2012-10-29, 22:59 | Link #210 | |
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In case you didn't notice (which you clearly didn't), the whole Hitler comparison/parody was to show how ridiculous your statement was. Man, the irony! Not only did you seemingly miss the entire point of my post, you accuse me of red herrings WHILE tossing out yet another red herring! (double red herring? lol). I mean, when the **** did Palestine/Israel became part of the debate? Oh, that's right, it never was, until you brought it in out of nowhere as yet another fail attempt at red herring/deflection. BTW, good try at a not-so-subtle attempt at implying I'm a neo-con or pro-Israel and FYI, I'm neither. The most hilarious part of all this is that you haven't even managed to come up with ONE valid counter-argument to ANY of the points I've made, literally EVERYTHING you've said so far are logical fallacies and fail attempts at deflections I don't know if you're just trolling at this point or what. I hope you are, because if you're not, you're going to need to brush up on your reading comprehension and learn how to debate without endlessly tripping from one fallacy to another. Last edited by kyp275; 2012-10-30 at 04:20. |
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2012-10-30, 08:48 | Link #211 | |
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2012-10-30, 19:35 | Link #212 | |
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2012-11-01, 03:37 | Link #213 |
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Syria turmoil stirs Iraqi tribal sympathies, hopes
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...89U0X020121031
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Arty PS: What's the news on the Syrian front?
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Show me a human civilization that hasn't committed any wrongs. Go ahead, I'll wait. Last edited by kyp275; 2012-11-04 at 12:42. |
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