2004-04-11, 09:22 | Link #42 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Sydney, Australia
|
This is slightly OT, but I think the English language tends to make it more difficult than it needs to when talking about love. The word is so vague that people end up misunderstanding each other because they were talking about different aspects of love. I think the Greek terms eros, philia, storge & agape describe "love" with a lot more clarity.
|
2004-04-11, 16:17 | Link #43 | |
Junior Member
|
Quote:
|
|
2004-04-13, 11:40 | Link #44 |
lost in a dance
Join Date: Dec 2003
|
here's my two cents...
yoshino/rei - possible shoujo ai. bestfriends tend to be possesive true. but then again.. how many bestfriends do you see getting all jealous and fiery? it maybe a fact that yoshino has been sick all her life(?) but getting fired up with a single date? not likely. it's just a date.. a half-day date at that. surely yoshino didnt expect the fan what was the girl's name again? - to become rei's bestfriend within at least 5 hours? sachiko/yumi - aherm... this one is a bit too early to say. having only seen the anime my views are limited. but from what i see and what i've mentioned on some other debate, yumi is NOT that innocent. she knows what a lesbian is. check the valentine's ep where she was thinking something about rosa doggie er.. canina. sei/shiori - this one is BLATANT shoujo ai. if you cant see it.. then you have to get a density check right this instant. ask every straight person you know to watch the ep. and they'll give you the same answer: 'ick they're lesbians!' or something else that attains to homosexuality. sei/canina - unrequited. but shoujo ai love nonetheless. |
2004-04-13, 13:19 | Link #45 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2004
|
What about Sei x Shimako ?
We have shoujo-ai on Shimako side, but I don't think Sei sentiments for Shimako are as strong, even if she care deeply for her little sister. I don't know about you, but the relationship between these two is the one I found the most mysterious during the most part of the show...^^ Last edited by Ialdaboth; 2004-04-13 at 14:17. |
2004-04-13, 18:03 | Link #47 |
Macross fan
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: France
|
hey
i've just watched ep2 of "Kono Minikuku mo Utsukushii Sekai". Girls just take shower - naked as far as I can see - together even though they don't even know their name. huh? So how is it called then? Hum. I think Japanese is hard to understand. Anime is not reality, I know. Anime is MUCH BETTER !! |
2004-04-13, 20:09 | Link #48 | |
Gomen asobase desuwa!
Join Date: Nov 2003
Age: 43
|
Quote:
|
|
2004-04-13, 23:55 | Link #49 | |||||
Junior Member
|
Quote:
Quote:
Now a couple random quotes I feel like saying for some reason. Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
|
|||||
2004-04-14, 03:51 | Link #50 | ||
Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Sydney, Australia
|
Quote:
*However*, my views have changed since ep 13, mainly due to the Shimako/Shizuka date. One side effect of the date is that Shimako is now a lot more aware of her own feelings for Sei. By equating her feelings with Shizuka's, it's strongly implied that they share the same feelings towards Sei. They're both happy to know and love Sei, but they both also know that their love is an unrequited one. It was a lovely, poignant scene. Quote:
Unfortunately, she doesn't seem to be a person who's self-aware enough to work through some of her more negative appearance-oriented traits. On top of that, she isn't a very perceptive person, and often has trouble relating to other people. Her sense of humour could use some work too. So while she's a very beautiful character (appearance wise), I often have doubts as to her character and motives... That said, I appreciate the fact that Sachiko would be under tremendous family pressure to perform as the only child of a rich family, and that as a result she's had a lonely and sometimes socially awkward life to date. Meeting Youko and then Yumi have really been the best things to have happened to her life. |
||
2004-04-14, 11:18 | Link #51 |
Member
|
The fact that these characters are so different from each other really makes it interesting. I personally don't dislike any of the characters, simply because if the characters weren't they are the story won't be the same. Though on the other side of it there certainly a couple of characters if met in real life would definitely rub me the wrong way, Shimako and Sachiko would definitely fit that.
As for Shimako and Sei, that is an odd relationship. Certainly hard to figure. I'm going to have to pay more attention to it as I rewatch the shows again. |
2004-04-14, 18:25 | Link #53 | |
Member
Join Date: Mar 2004
|
Quote:
Also in the manga and novel, you can tell Yumi isn't that dense about same sex issues. btw has anyone else seen the valentine day special from the manga? Yumi literally spends all day making the perfect chocolate for Sachiko to the point she neglects making any for her father so her brother has to go out in the middle of the night to get their dad something ^^; Sorry but there's just a little more to Yumi's obsession with Sachiko :P |
|
2004-04-14, 20:36 | Link #54 | |
Member
|
Quote:
|
|
2004-04-14, 21:42 | Link #55 | |
Member
Join Date: Mar 2004
|
Quote:
I bet if the entire cast of maria mite were guys and they did the exact same thing everyone would label them as gay. |
|
2004-04-15, 08:06 | Link #56 | ||
lost in a dance
Join Date: Dec 2003
|
i was thinking of letting this pass but er... im bored so... again my two cents ^^
Quote:
when i said yumi is aware what a lesbian is i wasnt suggesting she was one. i was merely implying that she _could_ be one. note that when sachiko said something about sei suga's book and yumi seemed all too happy and proud that she knows sei. i mean c'mon, let's not be hypocrites... most straight women with NO bisexual tendencies at all dont go 'yay! im so proud i have a lesbian friend'.. though they might be open minded.. yumi's reaction is a tad bit overboard specially with her age. another observation i just want to say is that.. somehow the word 'lesbian' is not that acceptable in this forum. what's with the word anyways? is it too blunt? so we ought to use shoujo or yuri in that case huh? prrrt. grow up. Quote:
plus she did went out on a date with yumi. so it might suggest that sachiko doesnt care what her fans/other people would think of her going out and shopping on a mediocre mall. Last edited by himalayan; 2004-04-15 at 08:23. |
||
2004-04-15, 10:34 | Link #57 | ||
Member
|
Quote:
Unfortunately the only person who's ever made me candy out of love is my wife. I don't know quite honestly how I would react if a male did it. Quote:
As far as Yumi's reaction being overboard. They do tend to over dramitize in Anime to make a point. P.S. I really don't care to be refered to as 'dude', would you please refrain from it in the future. Thank you Last edited by MercuryKnight; 2004-04-15 at 10:57. |
||
2004-04-15, 11:47 | Link #58 | |
lost in a dance
Join Date: Dec 2003
|
Quote:
so.. yumi not having sexual desire ( at the moment) for sachiko is NOT equal to yumi NOT being a yes... you guessed it, lesbian. yumi completely aware of what a lesbian is, isNOT equal to yumi being a lesbian. and regarding your line.. 'So what your saying is that if a girl starts out admiring an other girl that it's going to end up as a Lesbian relationship. ' -- now where did that came from? o_O it would be better if you re-read my post perhaps you'll understand it better now... |
|
2004-04-15, 13:44 | Link #59 | ||||
Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Sydney, Australia
|
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Sachiko is very concerned with acting in the "right" and "proper" way. For example, her annoyance with Mifuyu for standing on the swing, and the first year girl for her sloppy uniform. As a member of a prestigious family, there would be a certain family expectation for Sachiko to uphold the family's reputation and to not damage the family name. As Youko says, Sachiko does what is expected of her, even if she may not understand why. She'll do things (like lying) to cover up any perceived imperfections she may have (real or otherwise). Why do you think she took up all those extracurricular classes? I don't think it's because she sincerely wanted to learn all those things in the first place, or she would've put up more of a fight when Youko asked her to drop them all. So I think she did it to earn approval, either from her parents, teachers or from others (or maybe just to get her family off her case). I don't know about Japanese parents, but I know some Chinese parents are notorious for comparing their children's achievements to other children (as if that said anything about the quality of their parenting), and make very critical remarks if the children don't measure up. While Mifuyu may think that Sachiko is a perfect, elegant perceptive lady, we the audience can see her flaws a lot better. Eg when we found out that she basically sleep walked through the morning she met Yumi. Quote:
If anyone disagrees with any of the above, maybe you can state your reasons for disagreeing as well (rather than just saying you disagree). |
||||
2004-04-15, 14:09 | Link #60 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2004
|
Quote:
IMO, 'lesbian' is not the word that should qualify (yet ? ) Sachiko and Yumi's relationship (especially when one compare their relationship with SeiXShiori or ReiXYoshino), but I've only seen the first season (and I try to avoid letting doujinshis dictate my vision of the characters ^^ ). Now, if Yumi begin to wander around the school kissing pretty girls... I think I'm going to like the 2nd season even more... Last edited by Ialdaboth; 2004-04-15 at 15:22. |
|
Thread Tools | |
|
|