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Loner · 2011-06-04, 07:56

All of this discussion is now pointless. The entire Nanoha universe is officially about to end. The proof? Chapter 21 of Vivid, page 19, lower left corner -

Zafira SMILED.

ZAFIRA.

That is one of the Signs of the Apocalypse.

FlameSparkZ · 2011-06-04, 08:18

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Originally Posted by Loner

All of this discussion is now pointless. The entire Nanoha universe is officially about to end. The proof? Chapter 21 of Vivid, page 19, lower left corner -

Zafira SMILED.

ZAFIRA.

That is one of the Signs of the Apocalypse.

Zafira looks strange in that whole page. The smile was the least of my problems.

00-Raiser · 2011-06-04, 10:06

Pretty sure he's smiled before...

Akiyoshi · 2011-06-04, 10:43

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Originally Posted by 00-Raiser

Pretty sure he's smiled before...

Hard to tell during StrikerS, dogs can't smile.

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I still hold close my wish that Vivio gets mauled by Hoodie-girl, which inspires Einhart to go on to win the championship. I know it's not likely, but it is the outcome I wish to see.

If that ever happen it will be the complete opposite as the Hooded-girl is on Einhart and Corona's group. The elite on Vivio's group was Signum Mk.II and she was already defeated by Miura(by an inch xD), so probably the big fight of that group will be the very awaited(at least by me) match between ViVio and Miura, prepare for the Nakajima/Takamachi VS. Yagami cheeleading battle!

I agree on the girls not reaching championship, as they didn't seem to have any big ambition to accomplish in the tournament except for Einhart perhaps(her defeat and reaction to that maybe will help to pump a little moments of drama into the plot xD). also the whole torunament look very ligyhthearted(unlike any other martial arts torunaments i've seen in any media xDU) if feels really like a sport here(or a pokemon tournament xD), so this arc is giving me a feeling of "do your best" rather than "you're the best around". Probably Vivio will have a climatic battle with the Hooded-girl where, despite losing, will surprise everyone by giving to the undefeated champion a good run for her money.

Dark Wing · 2011-06-04, 18:23

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Maybe it's just a matter of qualifying? Not a winner always goes on, but you just need to perform well enough and you'll move forward.

I posted this a while back when I read the chapter where Nove gave the girls as rundown on how the tournament works...still don't know how accurate it is...

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Okay let me see if I understand this tournament structure correctly...

Step 1. A serious of test used to measure where the contestants rank.

Step 2. Once the test are done the contestants are divided into two divisions Novice or Elite. (Most of the Elite being made of past high raking contestants)

Step 3. The contestants will fight in a serious of elimination matches until there are only 10 remaining in each division making it 20 representatives from all 17 sections of the city. (Well 21 because last years champ gets a free pass)

Step 4. The winer of the City Championship will then go on to fight in the World Championship where representatives from different cities fight it out for the title of World Champ.

Step 5. If this person happens to be lucky enough to win the World Championship they'll able to take part in the Inter-Dimensional Championship where representatives from different worlds fight for the title of strongest in all the know dimensional space.

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Just look at Corona's face when she heard her and Einhart were in the same block. Poor girl knows she's screwed.

Now if I recall Raiser you posted this a year ago when I voiced my concerns about Corona getting into the elite class...

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Eh, no need to worry. She managed to evade Rio long enough to summon her golem so I'm sure she'll be fine.

Well the question is why the change of heart?

Rising Dragon · 2011-06-04, 18:29

Probably because Einhart's still a cut above Rio, never mind Einhart's main character status compared to Rio's secondary character status.

Justin_Brett · 2011-06-04, 19:09

So if you're in the Novice division, you're basically expected to eventually lose? That kinda sucks to say to the little kids.

Are we down to twenty people now, then?

Dark Wing · 2011-06-04, 19:21

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So if you're in the Novice division, you're basically expected to eventually lose? That kinda sucks to say to the little kids.

Are we down to twenty people now, then?

Well raw power isn't the only thing that can grant one victory you know past tournament contestants still have to go into the preliminary and not all of them are granted to make it.

Not yet the we're still in the middle of preliminary eliminations remember Corona had been tested and ranked as an elite class thats why she is getting ready to go up against Einhart right now...unless I'm mistaken and the preliminaries are over?

00-Raiser · 2011-06-04, 19:56

This part of the tournament has nothing to do with the elite classes or anything. These are the pre-preliminaries, apparently. I imagine this leg of things is the test of strength and it determines who gets into what class based on performance.

All I've been saying is that Einhart would win against Corona. Didn't say she'd get knocked out of the tournament.

Dark Wing · 2011-06-04, 21:50

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Originally Posted by 00-Raiser

This part of the tournament has nothing to do with the elite classes or anything. These are the pre-preliminaries, apparently. I imagine this leg of things is the test of strength and it determines who gets into what class based on performance.

Oh so they're still testing for rank...

Justin_Brett · 2011-06-04, 23:03

Really? When I heard 'test of power', I just imagined that thing in Dragon Ball where they hit the punching bag, and figured it was something similar. But that certainly lends an amount of strategy to the proceedings, I suppose. Now whoever fights Miura or Micaiah (the latter to a lesser extent) knows something of what to watch out for from them.

FlameSparkZ · 2011-06-05, 02:25

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Originally Posted by Dark Wing

Well the question is why the change of heart?

Aren't the circumstances different? When Corona fought Rio, the place they were at was a replica of a battlefield, and it was big with a lot of space for maneuver.

In the tournament, they only have that small area to fight on, with no place to hide.
But yeah, Otto trained Corona to improve in the areas a summoner/golem user are weakest on: creation of the golem, and direct attack to the caster.
So, she should at least give a good fight...

Mirron · 2011-06-05, 12:07

I'm sure she'll put up a good fight. But I don't expect her to win. It's mostly why I'm expecting to see this be essentially a qualifying match, not just elimination, to get into the next part of the tournament.

Justin_Brett · 2011-06-05, 13:21

And then Einhart wouldn't be able to beat whoever defeats her for real, assuming we're pulling out all the cliches according to you guys.

Mirron · 2011-06-05, 16:08

It's not simply a matter of cliches, though even so, Corona winning is far less important than Einhart winning. Corona, while good, simply isn't as good as Einhart.

Akiyoshi · 2011-06-05, 16:17

Nor as important as a character. Even when it's entirely plausible that Einhart could lose in this tournament, being a mian character as also the "superior" rival to Vivio, her defeat must be an event with big impact on the story because this will be a test for Vivio's growth as also to Einhart's character and pride. I simply don't see Corona being a suitable character to pull this on the plot, Sieglinde is the undefeated champion and is on the same group as Einhart and Corona so i totally can see her as the one handling Einhart her upcoming beating.

Justin_Brett · 2011-06-05, 18:11

Well, you keep bringing up more meta reasons instead of in-story justifications.

Mirron · 2011-06-05, 18:15

Corona is a character who likely couldn't defeat Einhart before the training, she just wasn't that good at magic except summoning a golem. She beat Rio, but only barely. Einhart, while not so good at ranged opponents presumably, is still overall a better combatant. Can Corona win? Sure, but the deck is heavily stacked against her. Unless Einhart slacked on her training, while it'll be a tricky fight for her, she should still win.

Justin_Brett · 2011-06-05, 18:19

Yeah, but don't go 'well, she'll win 'cause she's the main character'. Doing that is like dissecting a joke.

Mirron · 2011-06-05, 19:45

There is reasoning, but it's also just the most logical outcome. Sometimes things happen not because it's how it should go, but because the story dictates it.

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Rising Dragon Goat Herder Author Join Date: Jun 2008 Age: 36	Probably because Einhart's still a cut above Rio, never mind Einhart's main character status compared to Rio's secondary character status. __________________

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00-Raiser Burst Mode Author Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Windsor, Ontario Age: 37	This part of the tournament has nothing to do with the elite classes or anything. These are the pre-preliminaries, apparently. I imagine this leg of things is the test of strength and it determines who gets into what class based on performance. All I've been saying is that Einhart would win against Corona. Didn't say she'd get knocked out of the tournament. __________________

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Akiyoshi The Flame Crussader Join Date: Aug 2009	Nor as important as a character. Even when it's entirely plausible that Einhart could lose in this tournament, being a mian character as also the "superior" rival to Vivio, her defeat must be an event with big impact on the story because this will be a test for Vivio's growth as also to Einhart's character and pride. I simply don't see Corona being a suitable character to pull this on the plot, Sieglinde is the undefeated champion and is on the same group as Einhart and Corona so i totally can see her as the one handling Einhart her upcoming beating. __________________ May 29 2010-2019 ...9 years ago, the day after never would be the same ~The ASFB~

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Justin_Brett Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Canada, Sault Ste. Marie	So if you're in the Novice division, you're basically expected to eventually lose? That kinda sucks to say to the little kids. Are we down to twenty people now, then?

2011-06-04, 23:03	Link #751
Justin_Brett Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Canada, Sault Ste. Marie	Really? When I heard 'test of power', I just imagined that thing in Dragon Ball where they hit the punching bag, and figured it was something similar. But that certainly lends an amount of strategy to the proceedings, I suppose. Now whoever fights Miura or Micaiah (the latter to a lesser extent) knows something of what to watch out for from them.

2011-06-05, 12:07	Link #753
Mirron Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Age: 33	I'm sure she'll put up a good fight. But I don't expect her to win. It's mostly why I'm expecting to see this be essentially a qualifying match, not just elimination, to get into the next part of the tournament.

2011-06-05, 13:21	Link #754
Justin_Brett Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Canada, Sault Ste. Marie	And then Einhart wouldn't be able to beat whoever defeats her for real, assuming we're pulling out all the cliches according to you guys.

2011-06-05, 16:08	Link #755
Mirron Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Age: 33	It's not simply a matter of cliches, though even so, Corona winning is far less important than Einhart winning. Corona, while good, simply isn't as good as Einhart.

2011-06-05, 18:11	Link #757
Justin_Brett Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Canada, Sault Ste. Marie	Well, you keep bringing up more meta reasons instead of in-story justifications.

2011-06-05, 18:15	Link #758
Mirron Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Age: 33	Corona is a character who likely couldn't defeat Einhart before the training, she just wasn't that good at magic except summoning a golem. She beat Rio, but only barely. Einhart, while not so good at ranged opponents presumably, is still overall a better combatant. Can Corona win? Sure, but the deck is heavily stacked against her. Unless Einhart slacked on her training, while it'll be a tricky fight for her, she should still win.

2011-06-05, 18:19	Link #759
Justin_Brett Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Canada, Sault Ste. Marie	Yeah, but don't go 'well, she'll win 'cause she's the main character'. Doing that is like dissecting a joke.

2011-06-05, 19:45	Link #760
Mirron Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Age: 33	There is reasoning, but it's also just the most logical outcome. Sometimes things happen not because it's how it should go, but because the story dictates it.