2011-06-03, 21:10 | Link #723 |
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Yeah, because it has a track record for not being very surprising in how fights and situations work out. IE, badly for the heroes basically every single time so far.
But like, in Vivid, recall when the mock battle started. Would you have thought Teana and Erio would be defeating their teachers in it? Probably not, but that's what happened. |
2011-06-03, 21:13 | Link #724 |
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Yeah, but none of them have main character status. In this case, Einhart does. Can you honestly see her losing to Corona, the least combat orientated of the bunch, of all people? I'm sure the fight will go for a bit with both sides taking damage but it's a pretty safe assumption that Einhart will win.
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2011-06-03, 21:23 | Link #727 |
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I'd disagree there.
And even if she isn't, Erio was basically a secondary character in StrikerS, and here he beat someone who was one of the leads for three seasons. You shouldn't just go 'oh, she's gonna lose' based on what genre it is. |
2011-06-03, 21:28 | Link #728 |
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Putting aside Einhart's main character armor, she's also stronger and more experienced. But looking at Miura's fight that means nothing. Then look at combat styles. Corona uses a big golem that, while powerful, is large and easy to dodge. If she even gets the chance to summon it. Corona herself is not very strong and is quite vulnerable. One good hit would probably do lots of damage. Looking at her fight with Rio, Rio was able to flip the golem over easily and Einhart fights in a similar fashion. Corona only beat Rio due to Rio being distracted by Caro.
Would it be pleasently surprising and genre breaking if Corona won? It sure would be. Is it likely to happen? Given Tsuzuki's perchant to stick to genre cliches so far, not very.
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2011-06-03, 21:34 | Link #730 |
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Being a tournament, there's pretty much no way that it can complete without a matchup between Einhart and Vivio, given their main character status and rivalry set-up, so that means there's even less of a chance for Corona to win here.
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2011-06-04, 01:22 | Link #733 |
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What I'm actually hoping for is for none of the main characters to reach the very top.
Sure, make Vivio or preferably Einhart reach top five, but just not the championship. It would be too much spotlight stealing for the supposed tournament elite participants. Plus, it would be boring if they get to the top so easily. Not even sports manga/anime would make the protagonists champions just from the first go.
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2011-06-04, 01:57 | Link #735 |
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My experience on the genre is limited, so I'll let the experts answer: how 'bout Super Robot manga/anime cliches? Since Tsuzuki seems to solely relied on them as inspiration...
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2011-06-04, 03:30 | Link #736 | |
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I kinda find that comment insulting somehow, as though you're implying super robot manga/anime cliches are bad for some reason. There are too few giant mecha anime that cover tournaments (G Gundam for example), and even then they rely more on shounen hero manga tropes than traditional super robot ones.
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Actually, while many sports-centric manga do feature the protagonists not becoming champions on their first try, shounen hero manga featuring tournaments often do have the protagonists come out as champions on their first tries, mostly because of the dire consequences they face if they don't. The only thing Vivio and gang have to lose in this story is their pride though, so there's no real need to become champions immediately.
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2011-06-04, 05:12 | Link #739 |
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I would say that for most parts, the reasons most protagonist are shoe-horned towards obtaining ultimate victory for tournaments at their debut is because they couldn't afford to lose them and the stakes were too high.
Yu Yu Hakusho was that kind of interesting twist of events, because Yuusuke literally turned a 'high stakes must win situation' his third time round into a... friendly and relatively light-hearted sporting event. Still, something like that are highly determinant of the author's intentions and values at play so it's not always standard. Look at the Gary Stu of the Sports Manga World, Oozora Tsubasa for example. He has literally almost never ever ever lost when things needed to count, no matter how small that count is.
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2011-06-04, 06:38 | Link #740 |
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But these are not the "Finals". Just the rounds to determine who'll represent Mid-Childa (or was it District?). Even if one of the "main" cast win this Championship, she'll still need to face off the other representatives from the other worlds.
Cheers.
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