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[Welsh_Dragon]

Originally Posted by Dyingbreath

Hmmm... do you think the christmas ham would be mutated, radioactive, or explosive.

When in doubt go with D) all of the above.

[Dyingbreath]

Originally Posted by demino_hellsin

the yaoi partner accelerator is the only harem member that would kill any girl that kisses Touma openly?

Not necessarily because she kissed Touma openly... more because he's a dangerous psychopath with a long history of violence and murder.

[agetreme]

Concept which need to be poke hole at:

Concept 1:

Spoiler for Psiale:

From the dark side of the Magic world comes Psiale, a mysterious "miracle" water created through Chemistry and Alchemy!

Psiale allow normal human beings to use special abilities however, it doesn't affect Esper (level One and above) due to their personal reality being "locked" by their power.

By consuming multiple Psiale, it allow one to use multiple abilities. However Psiale has damaging effect on human psyche. Consuming too much of them will result in the user going insane. Also due to being a fusion of magic and science, the side effect isn't very pretty either. It wouldn't kill them but it would make them wished that it did.

Without being Wired for Science, Psiale user can use magic too! Unfortunately it will cause them immense amount of pain that persist so long as the magic remain active.

To summarize: Ability to use special power without losing the ability to use magic at the price of going through what can be best described as living hell.

Concept 2:

"Those who climb the bodies of others will never ascend to heaven. No matter how many trillion of battles an Esper goes through, so long as the Esper is fighting for himself/herself and his/her own sake, he will never understand the will of heaven.

Although greed and ambition allow one to gather great power but one will never obtain Godhood, let alone surpass it."

The concept is based around the idea how most religion share similar principle that only through Selflessness, can one ascend to heaven.

Concept 3: (because 3 is a charm)

Spoiler for Esper Synergy:

The idea is that if Espers (with different abilities) are able to synchronize their personal reality, one (or both) Esper would demonstrate new ability should the two Espers are placed in close-proximity.

It is like somebody did their research first and giving the result to another Researcher allowing them to obtain new result.

The condition to make it possible is still unknown and being research upon.

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Unrelated to the above concepts:
I think I will name the story after the Heroine of the story (seeing how the title (Railgun and Index are named after the main heroines).

Tagline is probably either:
When Realities cross paths and new path opens.

or as a joke:

In the sea of delusion known as Academy City, an imaginary(?) battle unfold with the Delusion world as the center stage!

[agetreme]

Sorry for double posting but....

How do you show a character speaking in Osaka-ben using English?

[Dyingbreath]

Originally Posted by agetreme

Sorry for double posting but....

How do you show a character speaking in Osaka-ben using English?

Typically people use southern accents or things like that. But you could just mention that they're speaking in an osakan dialtect.

[demino_hellsin]

What system of magic would go well with the ability to replace yourself with an alternative version of yourself?

[Dyingbreath]

Originally Posted by demino_hellsin

What system of magic would go well with the ability to replace yourself with an alternative version of yourself?

replace as in naruto-esque "swap body with log" or replace as in clone creation or mirror creation or something like that.

[tsunade666]

Darn 5 days and still no net. Its like an eternity since I was been able to surf the net but being an hermit in the mountains has perks.

some character info on what I'm planning. I'm just renting right now so my current target is searching on gods/goddess for targets.

The ideas are up for changes and still not final. I hope the next time I surf the net. Something useful/helpful is posted.

Spoiler for fic info:

Title = “not yet decided”

Concept = Science vs Magic. Using over technology initially developed in academy city against gods and demons. The weapons and technology created by the means of dark matter.

Dark matter is an object that is alien to current laws of the world. Its effects and creation aren’t govern by the laws of the universe hence it follows its own laws. It’s like a current laws was written by it. Examples of it are a harmless sunlight turn into killer rays. It might be the same or amplified version but the same laws that govern it or its particle structure is different from the normal sun rays.

The heroes are armed by weapons created from it with improve firepower and usage by Kakine and Accelerator.

The first member who is in charge of support from mid range to long range battles is Hamazura Shiage a.k.a. Dragon Rider (dragon rider can still change if someone can suggest a better one)

2nd year highschool in Jounan high and good at sports or P.E. subjects and Japanese and English which is thanks from the ability gained from becoming a Campione. Likes to sleep on during subject like science, math and history because he can’t follow what the teacher is saying and he has short attention span when it comes to long explanation.

Friendly person and approachable and liked by his peers and friend but aren’t that much popular on girls because of his slight perverted side which can’t be blame because his a growing man. But despite not being total popular on girls just by being good at sports and can be considered an ace if he joined any sports club, he is popular on some girls on his own. But because of his background he isn't on into relationship.

Campione status = secret to the world. The heroes kept their identities into absolute priority that even the world doesn’t know they are campione but they slay gods which is given that they are campione but they don’t use their authority so it can’t be confirmed (they used authority if its absolute necessary and no one can see them)

Dragon Rider (I like this idea in NT 1 that’s why I’m reviving it)
Armed with a power suit that enhances his fighting ability and learning ability aided by the “testament” The suit has sensors for 360 degrees and has an enhance eye sight and zooming ability to see from 5000 meters or 5 kilometers away (without any aid of an authority) It has communication tools and tracking tools with the help or “orihime” there is nothing that can pass his eyes.

Weapons

Executioner = a pistol type weapon that has 3 stages or uses. Shiage has 2 of it. It has 3 burst fire mode and semi automatic mode. (its size is around a berretta)

The first stage is like a normal pistol that fires compress air onto the targets. It analyzed the target and fires an appropriate force to destroy it. Primary use is anti-unit that has unlimited ammo and has a range of 30 – 50 meters of effective use. Farther than that will diminished it’s used. Used against grunts, thugs or criminals that the heroes apprehend. It can also be used against low to mid level magician. The projectile is invisible to eyes because it’s just a compress air. It has 300 rounds used before the executioner run out of energy.

The second stage is for executing armed forces or barriers. It fires compressed circular plasma that melts or destroys its target. Its primary used are for destroying debris, steel doors, steel and sturdy enemies but it has weakness which is its speed and its visible to the naked eye. Its steel fast like a bullet but for magicians that are specialized in speed it can be dodge but since it has area of effect damage. Which is around 30 – 60 centimeter diameter, it can be pretty damaging if it hits the target. It has also unlimited ammo as long as the executioner has energy but since it’s used larger energy than the first stage. It has only around 100 rounds. This stage can hurt divine beast.

Stage 3 is when a magazine is inserted on it. The magazine are has 12 rounds each with each bullet that has pretty damaging effects. The bullet has a thread by the head that adds boring or piercing power and it explodes when it hits a solid target that surpasses its boring strength and manage to stop it. The inside shell has solid fragments that scatter when it explodes and it also has corrosive effect with its acidic properties. It can melt steel and concrete like its nothing. But the amount is little so its very purpose is just for damaging inside. It’s a weapon used against divine beast and can also be used against lower tier gods. Even if it’s made of steel or body of steel, it will bore through the skin and explode from the inside and it will hurt. Armored enemies will be in for a nasty fire power.

Demolisher = a sub machine gun type weapon. Like Executioner it has 2 stages. Shiage only has 2 of it. (it has the size of an uzi)

Stage 1 is like executioner stage 1. It first compresses air and fire in a high speed bullet. It also analyzed the target to calculate the needed power to destroy it. This stage is can be in 3 burst mode or automatic mode. The effective range is from 50-100. It can reach longer than 100 meters but the effectiveness for hard target like steel will lower but against flesh. It can still blow their innards from a range up to a maximum of 300 and longer than it will be just a painful blow but not lethal enough to kill. The energy for demolisher is solely used in this stage and it uses little energy so it can be used for 500 rounds of fire power.

Stage 2 uses special bullets that have properties. The bullet that was use has also a thread in the head for additional piercing effects and it explodes upon solid contact. The bullets are categories into 3.

The first one is for burning the enemy with kerosene inside that when the bullets explode it adds burning properties. The amount of kerosene is small but with it. It adds power on the explosion and leaves the target burning if there is anything left of it.

The second bullet has liquid nitrogen inside for freezing effect when it exploded.

The third bullet has electric discharge in it that stuns the target temporarily or slows them if they manage to resist.

The demolisher isn’t design to take on diving beings but used against flesh and blood opponents. The hero doesn't just fight the annoying gods and demons but the humans too which is the ultimate evil in the world. Its design is to be used against humans or magicians that needs to be captured alive or needs to be stop without killing the target. It has 3 different types of bullets for different situation but against divine beings or campione. The use of demolisher is mostly to annoy them or hurt them but not enough to kill them. The fire power produced by demolisher isn’t enough to permanently kill them but enough to cripple, hurt or slow them. It can be used to get their attention and let someone to deliver the finishing blow.

Third Eye = A long range sniper rifle. It has 4 stages. Shiage carry only 1 because of its size (the same size of a sniper rifle and its also quite heavy but with the help of the power suit. The weight of the rifle won’t be a problem)

The first stage has an effective range of around 500 – 1000 meters. It fires highly compressed air bullets. It has a helpful sniping assisting system that calculates the distance, wind direction and resistance and other possible things that can affect the success of sniping. It shows the success rate on sniping the target and it also auto correct the aiming. You just point and let the computer calculate and analyze the target for auto targeting. It can fire 100 rounds before the energy will deplete.

The second stage is for sniping targets that are around 1000 – 3000 meters. It fires special bullets that have anti-matter property. The magazine has only 6 bullets per magazine. The anti-matter property of the bullet will destroy the bounds of particle in the matter and effectively destroying it in molecular level. The effective radius of explosion upon contact is 1 meter radius. This bullet can be used to effectively hurt divine beings and hunt down divine beast. But the natural defense of divine beings should be destroyed first for it to earn a critical hit against them. But it will still hurt them and anything that can hurt can kill the target.

The third stage is using another special bullet that has homing property that can be fired for 3000 – 5000 meter. This bullet has guiding system that is controlled through orihime and used to effectively destroy the target outside the kill zone that has 500 meter radius explosion of corrosive rounds. It can kill a god and also its surrounding will turn to dust which is not advice if it can be avoided. It can be used when sniping an enemy in desolate lands or sea. The magazine only has 6 bullets.

The fourth stage is firing an electromagnetic bullet or railgun that has an effective range for destruction is around 3000 meter kill zone. This stage has automatic fire system with a bullet strap attach on the sniping rifle. It can fire for 1 bullet per 2 seconds cool down. The bullet strap has 100 rounds bullet but the sniper rifle can’t handle a continues barrage so it can only fire 10 consecutive rounds before it stop and cool down the barrel.

The last armament is the vibrant blade. Shiage has 2 of it.

It has a 1 foot length blade that vibrates and coated on iron filling that raises its destructive properties. The blade isn't sharp but it’s not design to cut the opponent effectively. Its design is to inflict major damage onto the target. It’s like a mini chain-saw. It has chain surrounding the blade that vibrates highly like the academy city bomber. It has also iron sand that uses the same pr. It will mutilate the opponent in the most painful way.

Dragon Rider (the motorbike) has 3 modes with 3 additional support packs. The dragon rider has light armor for protection which was sacrifice for its speed and flexibility. The power source is solar reactor which can be recharge as long as there is sun or power of the sun (with an authority over the sun, it won’t run out of power)

Earth Dragon Mode (land used and the name is not also final. I find my naming sense poor and cliche and I don’t like it hahaha)

The normal bike mode that travels on land with a speed of 500 kph and has a auto control AI which helps in maneuvering in heavy traffic, during battle and chasing the enemy. The only control needed is for increasing speed and decreasing speed or break. Which was control directly by the brain which is connected through the power suit and the power suit is connected to the machine. It uses air pressure to correct its stance when it’s turning in a sharp turn. So even if Shiage drive it in a low angle turn, it wills auto correct its posture with air pressure in each side. It can release smoke screen to hide the bike from pursuers and it has ignition boosters for a burst of speed that can be used 5 times only before refueling. When the ignition boost is activated, it will break the sound barrier reaching mach 2 in speed but it’s recommended only in fast pace chasing or straight lines.

Its support pack consist of the following: the support pack’s name is still undecided.

Armed with 2 sub machine guns in each side that can rotate in 360 degrees and 2 sets of guided missiles. The bullets used in the sub machine guns are the same bullets are modified bullet too that has thread on the head and also it exploded upon contact. Upon explosion it also spreads the fragments in it. Its power and design for anti-tanks enemy. The guided missiles also have fragments in it for additional fire power. It’s an anti-army missile. The pack has 4 missiles equipped which are located 2 in each side. It can also drop caltrops or spikes for anti-wheel or anti-infantry pursuers.

Sky Dragon (aerial mode) In his mode the wheels rotate into horizontal position instead of vertical position. The wheels are used for propelling up. The speed is rather slow with only 300 kph with the flight pack. Aside from that it shares the same characteristics of the earth dragon mode which is the main mode. The AI also helps in air maneuver.

Flight pack consists of the wing glider which length 30 centimeter for easy aerial movements. The wing glider has also earth blade install in it. The length of earth blade is 1 meter and it’s coated by sand and the threads are rotating in high speed creating high friction blade that can cut and melt through anything. (The super bomber of academy city uses this to turn the enemies land into living hell. vol 14 for reference) It has additional booster pack for increase speed into 800 kph and when ignition boost is activated it will reach mach 5 for few seconds. It can be used five times before refueling. The sky dragon isn’t armed much to make it lighter and faster. The fire power Shiage needed will be provided by on his own armaments and not the sky rider. Additional maneuverability helps in dog fighting in the sky. The AI helps in stability so Shiage can still fire against his opponents but sniping is impossible in high speed battle.

Aqua Dragon (under water used) in aqua mode. The wheels from the front turn horizontal facing down which helps in ascend and descend while the rear wheel rotates facing the rear side. Its function is for propelling in under water with a speed of 250 kph.

The Submarine pack includes 2 air thrusters for additional speed which increase the speed to 500 kph. Maneuverability under water is hard and chasing the enemy is much harder that’s why the submarine pack is pack with 12 guided or heat seeking or tracking missiles. Each having corrosive rounds that explodes for 5 meter radius. It also has 12 mines which can be remote detonate or auto detonates when an enemy passes through it or near it. The mines have the same property of corrosive rounds This corrosive rounds bends the space around it and destroys the target into molecular level. The explosions of the mine has 5 meter radius.

Shiage has also other armor powered suits but the only one available or plan for now is the five over which will give railgun hell on the opponent.

The authorities aren't planned yet.

Second Character is Kakine Teikoku a.k.a. The Dark Matter, The Mad Scientist and the head of engineering department of the group. Assign to monitor the brain part which is stored in the “dark legacy” and is producing dark matter.

Kakine or Beetle is one of the support just like Accelerator because when those 2 join it will be massacre and yes, the battle won’t be only a one vs one or 2 vs 2 fight but a royal hunting of gods which range from 6 vs 3 or 2 vs 1 or 13 vs 4 it’s the heroes vs pantheon of gods. That’s why Kakine and Accelerator are for reserve when the battles are only against 2 or 3 gods.

Kakine is the engineer of the group where most of the weapon and technology was brought to creation by his dark matter. With the help of Accelerator, they both created the blue prints and plans and Kakine recreated it through dark matter.

Dark matter can recreated anything but it can’t recreate magic artifacts or its power because dark matter is an alien object that is created through AIM and AIM is opposite to MANA or Divine powers (telesma) It opposes each other.

So through dark matter the HS or HARD SCIENCE of academy city will be recreated to be used against the gods.

Kakine is graduated already in Jounan University and is currently in mastery course for mechanical engineer because lets face it. The level of no. 2’s brain is not normal and they are beyond college level.

He is approachable pretty boy type that is well love by girls and also has fan club but he likes to teach or help in day care or grade school in Jounan lower grade department.

He likes to play with little kids and girls which often cause odd rumor about him. Despite his well know for his looks, kindness and one of the smartest in the university (world XD) he has still no girlfriend or the girls are having hard time to approach him when he is busy playing with little kids

In battle Kakine is in charge of navigation while in based. Tracking the enemy and finding its legend or weakness falls onto him with his dark matter cloning technology. Searching through the archives, net or hacking into database would be easy for him.

Authority aren't planned yet too because I’m also having trouble on what will happen when dark matter, a system was revived into a campione. But he will turn into one but the scenario isn’t complete on my head yet on how to explain it.

Accelerator (needed a name for him. Is Omega Yuriko/Yuri possible or appropriate? Suggestion please, I need a proper name to be used in school setting) a.k.a. Accelerator. He is also on support when there are no enemies to curb stomp. He and Kakine will join the fight when there are plenty of spaces to trash or the enemy is too troublesome to beat. He like Kakine are also is also in charge for big finished or damage. Authority be damned when Accelerator and Dark Matter arrives to play.

He is the doctor of the group. Studied and graduated in Jounan University with a degree in biology and studying for master degree in medicine. He is pretty quite and has short tempered fuse but the girls like the tsun tsun side of Accelerator XD so he is also popular on his peers. His irritable looks might drive off the others but he is easy to ask for help if you pass the insulting part. Being no. 1 brain in academy city guarantees one as the one of the smarted person in the world. Together with Kakine there are no breath taking technology they can’t crack. Because accelerator stays often in the hospital when they still live in academy city, he ended up with the catch phrase of a certain frog face doctor sticks with him. “Who do you think am I? As long as your alive I can heal you so be sure to return alive” Girls and enemies will faint in his presence.

Fan girls aside. Accelerator also likes to help in middle school department of the university. He can substitute as a teacher in any subject (minus P.E. related subjects) The high school and college department envies the grade school and middle school department when they are seen playing with Accelerator (despite Accelerator having an irritated look)

The authorities for Accelerator are also not set yet because this fic will be focusing in sci fi tech against gods. Though campione or fsn fans will probably complain because of the use of mundane weapons against gods or divine beings when they had protection over it is stupid or insane but I beg to differ. Well, let’s just say its pure fire power and this is an experiment. If the people would like it or not will dictate if I will continue on the go but the first chapter or opening is already planned and in draft for writing.

The last but not the least, the one known as Imagine Breaker.

Kamijou Touma a.k.a. Imagine Breaker. Average in looks and in build (from what other see but well, he has uniform on ) Average grade. All about him is average and normal. If Shiage has ugly face XD average looks with good build and friendly aura. Kakine is the pretty boy that is popular on people and Accelerator is known for his irritable looks and cold demure or dangerous aura. Kamijou Touma is the average normal high school student. While Kakine and Accelerator are both popular in different ways and Shiage is known to few and teachers as slacker. Touma is known to teachers as average student. Touma isn’t learning esper curriculum program so he isn’t having problems here ….. okay he is still having academy problems but mostly because he ended up with tons of misfortune. Yes! Such misfortune will always stay. Girls stay away from him because they don’t want to ended up in such misfortune while the guys are also wary but he is friendly so who cares. But still he is not having a good time this time around. Without the delta force and iron wall. Touma in school is quite lonely but hey, he is known as a helpful senpai. He is known for helping an elder cross the road, helping someone to point out the direction or even known to fight thugs or bullies that’s why he is also known as a delinquent. He maybe not that popular on the students and staff but to those who knew him.

He is a hero.
Boss
Hero
Leader

Armed with Imagine breaker only and a body not enhance by campione status which is thanks to imagine breaker negating it. He is normal. And he is not even using powered suit but just adrenaline rushed drugs which was prescript by Accelerator. These drugs enhance his body’s reaction time and with the enhanced hard tape to strengthen his body in exchange for pain (Look for Komaba Ritoku) he can counter the enemy.

The body support type authority and enhancement of being a campione is useless to him but the magic resistance is still there and thanks to the magic resistance. Imagine breaker is also powered up to counter it. The magic resistances born for being a campione and Imagine breaker are overpowering each other. No spells can hit him and even authorities have little to none effect on him.

He has a full operational precognition so any supernatural attacks will be detected.

He also learns the minds of the eye which helps him in analyzing the battle and formulating the strategies to win.

His equipment aside from drugged body and hard tapping (need a better name for it) he has shades that can be used for tracking an enemy, enhance eye sight and zooming abilities for far away targets. A communicator for communication and the readings that the shades gather will be send to HQ to be analyzed and be sending back to him through electric signals directly to the brain. His brain and body function is also forcibly accelerated to counter the gods that moves in gods speed.

He also has Air Trek shoes. It has roller blades for land movements and it also send electric signals on his foot for enhance kicking power and explosive dash. The Air Trek’s roller blades can also gather the wind like a vacuum and be used for an explosive acceleration. It can also be used as an attack through the use of air and it can also be used for gliding and riding the wind.

Being a campione doesn’t help Touma, The bonuses given to a campione are useless to him. Aside from the offensive type authority and the ability to learn language easily, the support type are canceled and the body enhancement are all canceled. It doesn’t help him because its all been return to normal due to constant contact on Imagine Breaker. And the usurp authority are being consumed by being inside him and will be thrown back as a much powerful but deadly and darker version.

Well this are for the 4 heroes profile.

The setting of the story starts with the heroes failing in beating Othinus and the holy spear gungnir was complete and the macro esper was implemented. The world is crumbling in the battle between Othinus and Aleister. There is no future so the only way is to return to the past. But that’s impossible. Traveling through time comes with a curse. The time itself will curse the one who plays with it. And with a meddlesome angel that exist outside the system. The heroes are thrown into different world to find an answer.

3 months prior to start of school and another 3 months before the supposedly 7th campione were born. That’s the timeline and this 6 months will be the longest 6 months.

I'm still brainstorming for ideas and some may notice on the ideas for weapon I choose. yes like psycho pass, mahouka and air gear

need more sci-fi weapons that can kill/challenge gods.

Shiage needs more shot guns or AK russian rifles. Ahh! flash grenades, frag grenades and smoke screen grenades. Still need more ideas for this one.

I'm also still not set on the title of the fic or the name of the organization.

[demino_hellsin]

Um way different than both. Basically the dude swaps himself with an alternate version of himself in a parallel world. No smoke, no clones, both don't. Exist in the same world at once.

[agetreme]

........

I should do a fic proposal thingy one of these days.

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Anyway about your story.... It feels Shounen-ish. I think that is the direction you are taking (nothing wrong unless you are not).

I take it that it is kind of a cross-over with Campione considering that you are applying the concept in To-Aru-verse.

Just feel kind of weird though. But who knows, the finish product might actually be awesome.

Originally Posted by tsunade666

need more sci-fi weapons that can kill/challenge gods.

*Cough*Esper's ability *cough*
It is sci-fic, technically a weapon mentioned by canon to have the potential of challenging/over-taking God. It's just immature/developing at of the moment.

With that aside, I think I will still post one of my crazier idea (insane sci-fic weapon) later (currently busy at the moment). Use it as you please because I would only be using the dumb-down version of it in my story.

[tsunade666]

shounen-ish? yeh I got that feeling when I'm saying how those 2 had fan girls but what I'm hoping for is a broken man or maybe a mercenary. It still in initial stage and YES! I don't like shounen stuff.

I'm also debating on too much sci-fi weapon or just go back to conventional weapons like a normal desert eagle, m-16 or Ak for Shiage and the normal way for Touma. Falcon punch the enemy. hmm.... that's also good but man. I just love to overuse dark matter. With all the possibilities one can make with it.

For now I will probably scratch the stupid school setting and set up the mercenary setting.

I want a mysterious group that hunts down gods, demons, phantasmal beings or divine beings, Apostles and youkai. Witches, magicians, to occult.

They even hunt down drug dealers or crime syndicate. They are trying to get into the dark side of the world to fine the answer to get back.

I say it before and I will say it again. I'm not good with slice of life style of writing. I can picture the battles, gore and killing but not the ordinary life setting and I'm trying to incorporate that because Tamni also has that but that's only at the beginning before all turns to hell.


hmm hmmm hmm..... another idea is when Touma is loosing hope and starting to become like Kiri but Shiage suggest that why not come back to school?

"boss your brooding too much, if we are returning home then it might be good if you continue your education"

for Shiage education isn't needed.

Accel and Kakine are way above that. But for Touma an average person that was lost in track. Having a normal life would probably balance him out.

That's the idea I'm trying to get. But maybe 3 months is indeed short. Maybe a couple of years before the start of campione novels.

I'm also debating the idea of why even bother sending those 4 into campione world.

Why not merge the 2 worlds or setting? like the campione indeed exist but in secret but my problem for that is ...... while campione are indeed strong. they are just few of them and if you compare them to the setting of tamni. The characters won't be balance at all.

Shiage in dragon rider might be bad idea <_< I just want him to shine but maybe the guerrilla tactics that he do is better for him.

[agetreme]

Originally Posted by tsunade666

shounen-ish? yeh I got that feeling when I'm saying how those 2 had fan girls but what I'm hoping for is a broken man or maybe a mercenary. It still in initial stage and YES! I don't like shounen stuff.

Hint: It's not the fan girls but the setting about killing god. God-slaying is edging dangerously very close to Shounen.

Perhaps you should scrap the idea of God-slaying. Unless you want to show why attempts to kill god is a horribly bad idea..... Being revived and killed repeatedly or make things go really bad (turn out the God is actually the only thing that kept people from summoning the Outer-Gods successfully).

I'm also debating on too much sci-fi weapon or just go back to conventional weapons like a normal desert eagle, m-16 or Ak for Shiage and the normal way for Touma. Falcon punch the enemy. hmm.... that's also good but man. I just love to overuse dark matter. With all the possibilities one can make with it.

For now I will probably scratch the stupid school setting and set up the mercenary setting.

I want a mysterious group that hunts down gods, demons, phantasmal beings or divine beings, Apostles and youkai. Witches, magicians, to occult.

They even hunt down drug dealers or crime syndicate. They are trying to get into the dark side of the world to fine the answer to get back.

Just stick with ITEM doing their jobs. If you don't want Shounen, the easiest way is to stick with conventional.

I say it before and I will say it again. I'm not good with slice of life style of writing. I can picture the battles, gore and killing but not the ordinary life setting and I'm trying to incorporate that because Tamni also has that but that's only at the beginning before all turns to hell.

hmm hmmm hmm..... another idea is when Touma is loosing hope and starting to become like Kiri but Shiage suggest that why not come back to school?

"boss your brooding too much, if we are returning home then it might be good if you continue your education"

for Shiage education isn't needed.

....Which is why Shiage isn't exactly the right character to be used for badass normal. I think Shiage need more education rather than less, (or at the very least, go to library and spend some time self-studying/reading up).

Accel and Kakine are way above that. But for Touma an average person that was lost in track. Having a normal life would probably balance him out.

That's the idea I'm trying to get. But maybe 3 months is indeed short. Maybe a couple of years before the start of campione novels.

I'm also debating the idea of why even bother sending those 4 into campione world.

Why not merge the 2 worlds or setting? like the campione indeed exist but in secret but my problem for that is ...... while campione are indeed strong. they are just few of them and if you compare them to the setting of tamni. The characters won't be balance at all.

Shiage in dragon rider might be bad idea <_< I just want him to shine but maybe the guerrilla tactics that he do is better for him.

Here is what you can do for Slice of Life:

Mundane stuff made pure awesome either by exaggeration (e.g. EPIC Exam cheating), plain stupidity (operating on troll logic) or epic fail (due to Touma's bad luck).

Slice of life can also be a little heart-warming by showing the softer side of the character (probably work for Accelerator and Kakine.)

About Shiage:
You might want to consider making him use his brain more often. (Esper and Magician are still humans, humans HAVE lots of weakness).

And I think Campione's setting is shounen...so....it is kind of inevitable that the story may turn out Shounen-ish.

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Here is my definition of Seinen and Shounen:

Shounen: More optimistic with probably a few drama to make it dramatic.
Friendship, courage and hard-work. With enough perseverance, you will succeed in the end. Even if you don't, there is always hope.

Seinen: More pessimistic and a varying twist of cynical (however, if you are nice enough, give a little glimmer of hope at the end of the darkness).
One sentence to sum it all up: Life is unfair, deal with it.
If you still don't get it, trying subverting or perversion some of Shounen's theme.

Unrelated note:
I am attempting both at once.

[tsunade666]

but that's the whole point of campione. though I also doubt Touma will kill somebody but when push to limits. Its like it will be opposite of what he desires. All his battle in the past ended up in beating the enemy but not outright kill them. Even Styl view him as naive individual but Touma is a selfish tyrant that will trample all with his might.

I'm thinking a lot of things right now and lots of things to consider. hmm needs a lot more planning then.

But one thing is for sure. Touma will ended up killing his opponents one way or another(but not all)

plus when kiri, shiki or archer do the killing it doesn't fell shounen-ish.

[Dyingbreath]

Originally Posted by demino_hellsin

Um way different than both. Basically the dude swaps himself with an alternate version of himself in a parallel world. No smoke, no clones, both don't. Exist in the same world at once.

Well then you'd want to go for something with multiple worlds: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse_%28religion%29

By the way, I was wondering if anyone knew anything about how golems work in the toaru-verse.Specifically I read on the wiki that Sherry managed to switch the language from Hebrew to English but I'm wondering how she did that or what it meant by that.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by Dyingbreath

By the way, I was wondering if anyone knew anything about how golems work in the toaru-verse.Specifically I read on the wiki that Sherry managed to switch the language from Hebrew to English but I'm wondering how she did that or what it meant by that.

Copy pasta

(The basis is of Kabbalah. The main use is to defend and remove any enemy presence. The birth year was from the 16th Century, according to Gershom Scholem's explanation, the nature is of tangibility and formlessness) (Gershom Scholem, formerly known as Gerhard Scholem, 1897-1982, a Palestinian thinker who was born in Germany, and later converted to Israeli in 1948, He is widely regarded as the founder of the modern, academic study of Kabbalah, becoming the first Professor of Jewish Mysticism at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem.)

Speaking of stone golems, many people would imagine them as being made of stone or dirt, stupid and slow monsters. But in truth, that was not the case.

In the ideology of the Kabbalah, humans were created by God through dirt. And the poor copies that humans made with their own hands were stone golems. In other words, stone golems were 'clones that weren't created properly', so their nature was similar to those wooden puppets in fairy tales.

(The original spell was improved by combining with English Anglicans spells; Linguistic system changed from Hebrew to English, and all the body parts are made to react to the Cross. It's more like cloning an Angel than a human.)

[Dyingbreath]

Originally Posted by agetreme

About Shiage:
You might want to consider making him use his brain more often. (Esper and Magician are still humans, humans HAVE lots of weakness).

Exactly what I keep on thinking. Why do people only use guns against people it doesn't work on. A bullet between the eyes could kill 95% of all the powerful magicians and ESPers in the story yet no one uses them.
When I get to the third book in the trilogy I plan to fix this oversight.

[Chaos2Frozen]

People die from bows and arrows as well, why don't you use that ?

[agetreme]

Originally Posted by tsunade666

but that's the whole point of campione. though I also doubt Touma will kill somebody but when push to limits. Its like it will be opposite of what he desires. All his battle in the past ended up in beating the enemy but not outright kill them. Even Styl view him as naive individual but Touma is a selfish tyrant that will trample all with his might.

I'm thinking a lot of things right now and lots of things to consider. hmm needs a lot more planning then.

But one thing is for sure. Touma will ended up killing his opponents one way or another(but not all)

plus when kiri, shiki or archer do the killing it doesn't fell shounen-ish.

*cough* You obviously did not know them well enough.

Killing is serious business for them. A failed attempt means.... well....let just say their opponents can do lots of scary stuff to them (*cough*Fate/zero Caster is not very nice person).

To sum it up, their life are basically living hell.

Killing and defeating their enemies doesn't make their life better. It is just something they do.

Don't forget what I mention about Seinen:

Shounen is hopeful and optimistic (to trick young boys into thinking life is awesome and wonderful but Seinen....is a Perversion of Shounen.

The reason is actually simple: unlike Shounen where everything(good and evil) is clear cut, Seinen is similar to real world, life is not all black or white but in different shades of colors (not even grey).

So it's more about dealing with what you can and accepting what you can not.

=

Exactly what I keep on thinking. Why do people only use guns against people it doesn't work on. A bullet between the eyes could kill 95% of all the powerful magicians and ESPers in the story yet no one uses them.
When I get to the third book in the trilogy I plan to fix this oversight.

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

People die from bows and arrows as well, why don't you use that ?

People die from choking on meatball, killer bees and falling flower pot (killer litter).

Why nobody use that?

I think there at least 100 ways to kill a humans.

Humans are actually quite fragile.... anything impalement in torso or head, we would be in serious trouble (considering that most of our vital organs are there)

[Dyingbreath]

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

People die from bows and arrows as well, why don't you use that ?

Because a toaru/green arrow crossover wouldn't have much of a fanbase.
But taking your question seriously the bow and arrow is not a very common weapon. It is a worse version of a gun so why would anyone with common sense bother to choose it over a gun?
But people do get killed or defeated in quite creative ways, not just bullets. I once had Misaka cut a mecha in half using another mecha's giant sword arm.

Originally Posted by agetreme

People die from choking on meatball, killer bees and falling flower pot (killer litter).

Why nobody use that?

I think there at least 100 ways to kill a humans.

Humans are actually quite fragile.... anything impalement in torso or head, we would be in serious trouble (considering that most of our vital organs are there)

People aren't actually that fragile. And technically just about everyone dies in one of two ways in a battle. Bleeding out, which is quite slow and only as lethal as it is because blood-loss combined with shock often knocks people unconscious, or infection, which doesn't happen until days afterwards. Being stabbed in the gut isn't fatal until you lose enough blood from the wound to make it so. There is also the whole suffocation thing (which includes killer bees since death from those is induced by a swollen neck preventing breathing) but that can be easily prevented if anyone's there and is kind of... anticlimactic.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by Dyingbreath

Because a toaru/green arrow crossover wouldn't have much of a fanbase.
But taking your question seriously the bow and arrow is not a very common weapon. It is a worse version of a gun so why would anyone with common sense bother to choose it over a gun?
But people do get killed or defeated in quite creative ways, not just bullets. I once had Misaka cut a mecha in half using another mecha's giant sword arm.

The same reason why special forces do still use them.

The same reason a number of FPS still presents them as viable weapons.

A compose bow or crossbows is stealth weapon- more silent than a gun even with a suppressor. I believe they could also penetrate ballistic body armor that was design against bullets and shrapnel. Not too sure how it would affect aerodynamics if you attach explosives though...

But my point is, it's weird to hear 'A bullet between the eyes could kill 95% of all the powerful magicians and ESPers in the story yet no one uses them.'

You mean they're *gasp!* human like us ?!

In all seriousness, remember the setting of the story- you're less likely to find guns use in Japan unlike America.