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ZeroXSEED · 2012-02-23, 02:28

For that last note, Tabane denied she did it. And the novel version, there's no "Do not enter" sign at all, instead, it was the examiner who are is dumb as fuck not even checking the entries...

"Ai-Esu", which is part of Ichika's mistake (or probably, he asked wrong person), his target school are "Ao-etsu". Either way, it's all because of bad pun.

Eratas123 · 2012-02-23, 02:35

Apparently Tabane did engineer for that specific IS to react, she just didn't do it when Ichika was forced to try another unit. I wonder how the story could have gone if Ichika never went there. Probably ends up with Ran or something.

Side note - How did Tabane know Ichika would go there by accident? Did she see the future or something?

demino_hellsin · 2012-02-23, 02:38

anyone ever tried rewriting the whole of IS?

ZeroXSEED · 2012-02-23, 02:40

Eh, really?

Quote:

"...Oh yeah, let me give an example."

"Huh, Chi-chan? That's rare of you."

"For example, a certain genius deliberately made a boy mistake his high school entrance exam location and put the IS there such that it could only be activated at that time. If that's the case, the IS that shouldn't be operated by men becomes pilotable, right?"

"Hm~? But if that happens, he can't continue to pilot it, right?"

"That's right. You won't waste so much time to do such a thing anyway."

"Hehehe, because I'll get tired of it."

"...Then what's the truth? A certain genius?"

"Who knows? Fufufu, actually, I don't understand why [Byakushiki] activates. Logically speaking, Ii-kun and IS research are completely unrelated, right?"

Considering her usual pitch, she denied she has involvement in it at all. And Chifuyu acknowledge it as a truth. Note the subsequent dialogue has Tabane confirmed another stuff (the missile hacking) and again Chifuyu acknowledge it.

Eratas123 · 2012-02-23, 02:45

@ Senpai - She said that if she did that, then it means Ichika couldn't pilot. She rigged the one in the room, but she's just as confused as them when he activated the unrigged suit. She aid she would get tired of it, but she doesn't have to do it cause he can pilot anyway.

@ Demi - Don't wanna.

ZeroXSEED · 2012-02-23, 02:46

Okay, now I'm confused....

Eratas123 · 2012-02-23, 02:54

@ Senpai -

Step 1: Rig the suit.

Step 2: Ichika gets a reaction.

Step 3: He gets put to IS academy and pairs p with Houki.

Step 4: Profit.

Presumably she would've kept making reactions to units while he was in ISA, but get tired of it. Thankfully for her, Ichika managed to get a reaction on his own when they took him to the training unit and he activated it on his own.

ZeroXSEED · 2012-02-23, 02:56

The hell.... are you sure that's not misinterpretation?

Eratas123 · 2012-02-23, 02:58

That's what the wiki said the last time I checked. Let me go check again to be sure.

ZeroXSEED · 2012-02-23, 03:01

Tvtropes begs to be different, they're sure not 100% accurate but you know how critical a lot of tropers are....

For a change of pace: I'm going home now, see you guys in 1 hour.

Eratas123 · 2012-02-23, 03:02

She says that she has no idea how he's doing it, but she doesn't exactly deny setting him up to get to that room.

demino_hellsin · 2012-02-23, 03:07

is it possible for first shift to not be similar to its factory settings at all?

Eratas123 · 2012-02-23, 03:13

What do you mean? Ichika's shift didn't change his IS that much apart from color and unfolding the wings. Essentially, it can't change into something it wasn't built for. You can't have the Byakushiki turn to machinegunner with a sniper rifle.

demino_hellsin · 2012-02-23, 03:16

I guess it felt odd to me. In the novel 2nd shift wasn't foreseen and Setsura had to undergo testing to determine its abilities. So 2nd shift is an evolution in a sense that Byakushiki became somewhat new.

However Yukihira was already planned right from the start. But Yukihira is only available to first shift and not factory settings. What does this mean? As a shift, doesn't that imply evolution as well? or even birth since its the first. How would they know that whatever they installed in the factory settings would stay the same when it undergoes first shift? Is first shift only something like the core getting used to the frame?

Eratas123 · 2012-02-23, 03:21

There's a simple answer: Tabane did it. She made Byakushiki at least partially, so it's excusable it has features none of the others have.

demino_hellsin · 2012-02-23, 03:23

So we treat Setsura as a dormant feature that activated in second shift instead of a new feature created during second shift?

Eratas123 · 2012-02-23, 03:38

Honestly, I really don't care. The Second shift was a blatant Deus Ex Machina just to make Ichika look badass. That's why I really couldn't care less about any of the tech in this series.

ZeroXSEED · 2012-02-23, 04:24

In mine, it was treated depending on the result, it can go beyond what actually intended and thus treated as mutation (ByakuShiki), while some got lucky that the second shift only reinforce what exist and doesn't straying from the original concept and thus regarded as evolution (Silver Gospel).

And thus Setsura is way beyond Tabane's prediction.

Eratas123 · 2012-02-23, 04:31

The tech in this series really boils down to "A wizard did it". There's no way this can be achieved through realistic logic.

Eratas123 · 2012-02-23, 04:43

Does anybody in the cast have a cellphone? Seems like they have none despite being teenagers in school.

Be back in an hour.

2012-02-23, 02:28	Link #23481
ZeroXSEED I am no one Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Inside your head	For that last note, Tabane denied she did it. And the novel version, there's no "Do not enter" sign at all, instead, it was the examiner who are is dumb as fuck not even checking the entries... "Ai-Esu", which is part of Ichika's mistake (or probably, he asked wrong person), his target school are "Ao-etsu". Either way, it's all because of bad pun. __________________

2012-02-23, 02:35	Link #23482
Eratas123 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011	Apparently Tabane did engineer for that specific IS to react, she just didn't do it when Ichika was forced to try another unit. I wonder how the story could have gone if Ichika never went there. Probably ends up with Ran or something. Side note - How did Tabane know Ichika would go there by accident? Did she see the future or something? __________________

2012-02-23, 02:45	Link #23485
Eratas123 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011	@ Senpai - She said that if she did that, then it means Ichika couldn't pilot. She rigged the one in the room, but she's just as confused as them when he activated the unrigged suit. She aid she would get tired of it, but she doesn't have to do it cause he can pilot anyway. @ Demi - Don't wanna. __________________

2012-02-23, 02:46	Link #23486
ZeroXSEED I am no one Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Inside your head	Okay, now I'm confused.... __________________

2012-02-23, 02:54	Link #23487
Eratas123 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011	@ Senpai - Step 1: Rig the suit. Step 2: Ichika gets a reaction. Step 3: He gets put to IS academy and pairs p with Houki. Step 4: Profit. Presumably she would've kept making reactions to units while he was in ISA, but get tired of it. Thankfully for her, Ichika managed to get a reaction on his own when they took him to the training unit and he activated it on his own. __________________

2012-02-23, 02:38	Link #23483
demino_hellsin That one guy Join Date: Nov 2011	anyone ever tried rewriting the whole of IS?

2012-02-23, 02:56	Link #23488
ZeroXSEED I am no one Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Inside your head	The hell.... are you sure that's not misinterpretation? __________________

2012-02-23, 02:58	Link #23489
Eratas123 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011	That's what the wiki said the last time I checked. Let me go check again to be sure. __________________

2012-02-23, 03:01	Link #23490
ZeroXSEED I am no one Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Inside your head	Tvtropes begs to be different, they're sure not 100% accurate but you know how critical a lot of tropers are.... For a change of pace: I'm going home now, see you guys in 1 hour. __________________

2012-02-23, 03:02	Link #23491
Eratas123 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011	She says that she has no idea how he's doing it, but she doesn't exactly deny setting him up to get to that room. __________________

2012-02-23, 03:07	Link #23492
demino_hellsin That one guy Join Date: Nov 2011	is it possible for first shift to not be similar to its factory settings at all?

2012-02-23, 03:13	Link #23493
Eratas123 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011	What do you mean? Ichika's shift didn't change his IS that much apart from color and unfolding the wings. Essentially, it can't change into something it wasn't built for. You can't have the Byakushiki turn to machinegunner with a sniper rifle. __________________

2012-02-23, 03:16	Link #23494
demino_hellsin That one guy Join Date: Nov 2011	I guess it felt odd to me. In the novel 2nd shift wasn't foreseen and Setsura had to undergo testing to determine its abilities. So 2nd shift is an evolution in a sense that Byakushiki became somewhat new. However Yukihira was already planned right from the start. But Yukihira is only available to first shift and not factory settings. What does this mean? As a shift, doesn't that imply evolution as well? or even birth since its the first. How would they know that whatever they installed in the factory settings would stay the same when it undergoes first shift? Is first shift only something like the core getting used to the frame?

2012-02-23, 03:21	Link #23495
Eratas123 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011	There's a simple answer: Tabane did it. She made Byakushiki at least partially, so it's excusable it has features none of the others have. __________________

2012-02-23, 03:23	Link #23496
demino_hellsin That one guy Join Date: Nov 2011	So we treat Setsura as a dormant feature that activated in second shift instead of a new feature created during second shift?

2012-02-23, 03:38	Link #23497
Eratas123 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011	Honestly, I really don't care. The Second shift was a blatant Deus Ex Machina just to make Ichika look badass. That's why I really couldn't care less about any of the tech in this series. __________________

2012-02-23, 04:24	Link #23498
ZeroXSEED I am no one Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Inside your head	In mine, it was treated depending on the result, it can go beyond what actually intended and thus treated as mutation (ByakuShiki), while some got lucky that the second shift only reinforce what exist and doesn't straying from the original concept and thus regarded as evolution (Silver Gospel). And thus Setsura is way beyond Tabane's prediction. __________________

2012-02-23, 04:31	Link #23499
Eratas123 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011	The tech in this series really boils down to "A wizard did it". There's no way this can be achieved through realistic logic. __________________

2012-02-23, 04:43	Link #23500
Eratas123 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011	Does anybody in the cast have a cellphone? Seems like they have none despite being teenagers in school. Be back in an hour. __________________