Mondai-Ji-tachi ga Isekai Kara Kuru Sō Desu yo? (Light Novel)

[XFire]

Originally Posted by Alyxis

Hmm... hard to imagine what that is like, is it as strong as the chimera ant king meruem from hunter x hunter
?

Izayoi could destroy the hunter x hunter verse with one hand. They operate on completely different scales. Meruem was killed by a nuke, while Izayoi can destroy a star (and fight people who can do just as much or more)

[Alyxis]

Originally Posted by XFire

Izayoi could destroy the hunter x hunter verse with one hand. They operate on completely different scales. Meruem was killed by a nuke, while Izayoi can destroy a star (and fight people who can do just as much or more)

Okay I think we should first address this issue of izayoi destroying stars... I don't think they meant that literally, I mean sure he has his aurora pillar but I wouldn't say that's enough to destroy a star. Even his ability to destroy gifts is still quite sketchy cause he hasn't really destroyed any, more like just negating its effects kinda like IB cause if it were as they say that he can destroy gift then the users shouldn't be able to use them again kinda like what happened with kurousagi (although her case was different).

[XFire]

Originally Posted by Alyxis

Okay I think we should first address this issue of izayoi destroying stars... I don't think they meant that literally, I mean sure he has his aurora pillar but I wouldn't say that's enough to destroy a star. Even his ability to destroy gifts is still quite sketchy cause he hasn't really destroyed any, more like just negating its effects kinda like IB cause if it were as they say that he can destroy gift then the users shouldn't be able to use them again kinda like what happened with kurousagi (although her case was different).

Pretty sure it was meant literally. The Demon Lords (the "strongest species" versions anyway) all have had world affecting abilities. Algol could petrify the world, Pest could poison everything, etc.

Plus, t was brought up more than once that the strongest Demon Lords could destroy Little Garden, which is the size of a star. Izayoi equals them in power, so him being able to do it isn't that big of a leap.

Finally, the narration keeps bringing that part up over and over. Until we get actual author input saying "nope, that was a metaphor" or something equivalent in the LN, it counts as valid.

[Lhklan]

Originally Posted by Alyxis

Okay I think we should first address this issue of izayoi destroying stars... I don't think they meant that literally, I mean sure he has his aurora pillar but I wouldn't say that's enough to destroy a star. Even his ability to destroy gifts is still quite sketchy cause he hasn't really destroyed any, more like just negating its effects kinda like IB cause if it were as they say that he can destroy gift then the users shouldn't be able to use them again kinda like what happened with kurousagi (although her case was different).

Yeaaaahhh, about his power... Well, while the claim of him busting a star is probably debatable, there is a feat of him destroying a dimension. I'm referring to his fight with Baron La Croix where he used Aurora Pillar to bust out of the death's god power.

[Apoptosis]

Originally Posted by Lhklan

Yeaaaahhh, about his power... Well, while the claim of him busting a star is probably debatable, there is a feat of him destroying a dimension. I'm referring to his fight with Baron La Croix where he used Aurora Pillar to bust out of the death's god power.

Well I personally think busting something that's incorporeal is at a higher rank than busting something physically there.

[Ivan A.]

Izayoi´s [Aurora Pillar] belongs to the type of [Another Cosmology]. If I recall correctly(I can´t remember right now) it revolves around creating a small universe or something alike. IF this is correct(I might be horribly wrong, help me on this people) I don´t see how it wouldn´t have the power to destroy the stars.

[Endscape]

Originally Posted by Ivan A.

Izayoi´s [Aurora Pillar] belongs to the type of [Another Cosmology]. If I recall correctly(I can´t remember right now) it revolves around creating a small universe or something alike. IF this is correct(I might be horribly wrong, help me on this people) I don´t see how it wouldn´t have the power to destroy the stars.

In the Type Moon fandom, there was this misunderstanding going on for years that since Gilgamesh's Ea was an Anti-World Noble Phantasm it could destroy a planet, when the 'World' Nasu meant was actually the set of rules on the planet.

It could be that Izayoi being able to destroy stars is that kind of thing.

[Alyxis]

Exactly, i believe that is the same issue we have here.

[Lhklan]

Originally Posted by Endscape

In the Type Moon fandom, there was this misunderstanding going on for years that since Gilgamesh's Ea was an Anti-World Noble Phantasm it could destroy a planet, when the 'World' Nasu meant was actually the set of rules on the planet.

It could be that Izayoi being able to destroy stars is that kind of thing.

Proof please. Also, in Fate/Zero, Gilgamesh's Ea destroyed Iskander's Noble Phantasm Ionoi Hetaroi - a bloody Reality Marble - suggesting that perhaps it's greater than planet busting.

[zerozeronine]

I think Izayoi can actually destroy a star,he hasn't reached his 100% (not even sure if he has reached 50% of his full power) full potential yet and look what he can already do.

[dragon1412]

he can destroy the star, the original word indicate "star" not "world" that's more on physical side of things in japanese, and Baron la Croix also hinted that if Izayoi used his full power Earth would go poof... which is why other dimension is involved in his game.

[XFire]

Originally Posted by Endscape

In the Type Moon fandom, there was this misunderstanding going on for years that since Gilgamesh's Ea was an Anti-World Noble Phantasm it could destroy a planet, when the 'World' Nasu meant was actually the set of rules on the planet.

It could be that Izayoi being able to destroy stars is that kind of thing.

It can destroy the planet, by physically breaking apart Gaia's Reality Marble. Which is a dimensional field the size of the planet. Ergo, it can bust a planet.

[Alyxis]

Originally Posted by XFire

It can destroy the planet, by physically breaking apart Gaia's Reality Marble. Which is a dimensional field the size of the planet. Ergo, it can bust a planet.

I don't think that term applies in this case.

[XFire]

Originally Posted by Alyxis

I don't think that term applies in this case.

Which one and why?

Gaia's Reality Marble is the planet, so destroying it is the same as destroying the worlds.

[dedecou]

Originally Posted by XFire

Which one and why?

Gaia's Reality Marble is the planet, so destroying it is the same as destroying the worlds.

I think, it would be better if you don't bring Nasu...

About Izayoi destroying stars, wasn't it addressed in his fight against Azi Dahaka?

Unable to determine the quality of the three-headed dragon, even Izayoi's fist which could destroy the stars did not stir the dragon up. The punches that were in the third cosmic speed kept hitting the belly of the three-headed dragon.

Though in the narration it always says how Izayoi strength "shatter mountains and cleave through rivers".

[Endscape]

Originally Posted by XFire

It can destroy the planet, by physically breaking apart Gaia's Reality Marble. Which is a dimensional field the size of the planet. Ergo, it can bust a planet.

That's... not exactly how it works.

Originally Posted by dedecou

About Izayoi destroying stars, wasn't it addressed in his fight against Azi Dahaka?

Though in the narration it always says how Izayoi strength "shatter mountains and cleave through rivers".

The thing is, you see a lot of metaphors like this Japanese works, so you can't be sure it's an actual feat until the character actually does it.

[Lhklan]

Originally Posted by Endscape

The thing is, you see a lot of metaphors like this Japanese works, so you can't be sure it's an actual feat until the character actually does it.

Him cleaving a river sort of happens in the battles with Shirayukihime and with Kouryuu.

[iK@r0s]

and in vol.1 the palace persues has a barrier equivalent to how hard a mountain or something and he destroy it...

[Valky]

Spoiler for Volume 3:

Although Izayoi had swung his fist for quite a few times, his level of destruction was still unable to break through this sealed world.

"Do you see it?! If you were to lose just like this, the kids will also be dead! Are you okay with that?"

"---Uu……You megane bastard!"

Izayoi bit his teeth with the strength that might have broken his molars, as he raised the speed of the swing of his punches for both arms.

Again and again he kept at it until his fists finally bled from the multiple fractures.

[Baron Croix] also seemed to have lost his patience at long last and he shouted loudly:

"You moron! With a punch that cannot even shatter the stars, how do you expect to break through [Guniee]?!"

"Then, what do you want me to do?! You megane bastard!"

"Just like what I just said! Use a punch that can shatter the stars! So long as you use your Gift, leaving this place shouldn't be a problem for you!"

Hearing the crazy request and the strange term, Izayoi was taken aback.

"……Gift?"

"That's right! The strength that you currently wield is at most the top layer of its full potential!"

Hearing [Baron Croix]'s suggestion, Izayoi stared at his own two hands.

"You say that my strength is only at a top layer?"

"That's right! So long as you use the strength that lies dormant within your body, you will surely be able to rip through [Guniee]!"

Gaining an optimistic look from Izayoi's change in attitude, a slight smile played on the lips of [Baron Croix] as he spread his arms, seeming in the mood to taunt.

"……I've said it before. Let me see the real of the unknown for myself. And you should have already realized this. That you, Sakamaki Izayoi is more mysterious than everything in the world put together. Well then, if you do not utilize that miracle that hides within the deepest parts of yourself in [Guniee]……you will lose that chance forever!"

"……"

Although Izayoi was already having cold sweat, his mood was pumped up once more.

---Other than the first cry that he had when he was brought into the world, he had never had the chance to use his full strength. For Izayoi, the current world was one that was a fragile and dreamlike shelter to him.

However, he was now told by the other party that he can let out his full strength without holding back, and even telling him to use a dormant power that even Izayoi himself did not know of.

[A dormant power that is in the body……]

Izayoi felt his feelings soar in his chest and unconsciously raised his right hand up high. And it was due to that natural movement of his body that he realized.

To draw out the power from himself, Sakamaki Izayoi, this was the best posture.

"Just like that……You still aren't able to utilize your own Gift huh? Then just desperately swing your fists for now."

[Baron Croix] spread his arms as the swallowtailed coat fluttered behind him with the wind while he continued to scrutinize Izayoi's actions.

"Take this……Baron Croix!"

At that moment, a beam of light appeared from Izayoi's hand that tore through the Heavens and the Earth. This beam of light easily pierced through the shell of the world that was still shrinking and seemed to be the pillar that was holding up the world that was moving towards imminent destruction.

Prying through the sealed world that was moving down the road to self-destruction, Izayoi got out from the World between Life and Death.

He can, actually shatter the stars if he use his full power.

[Apoptosis]

Originally Posted by XFire

It can destroy the planet, by physically breaking apart Gaia's Reality Marble. Which is a dimensional field the size of the planet. Ergo, it can bust a planet.

Planet-busting is classified as Anti-Planet, while something Anti-World may be similar, what it applies to is what was stated above, it can counteract rules of the universe, such as breaking through a dimension. The actual output of Ea is in fact somewhere around Excalibur's output, which was Anti-Fortress, but it's properties of destroying these unseen boundaries, which was what Gilgamesh claimed to be "the truth of the world", is what classified it as Anti-World.

Ergo, Ea cannot destroy planets. If you want to see an example of an Anti-planet Noble Phantasm, go look up Angra Mainyu/CCC: All the World's Desires.

Okay, time to get back to the topic at hand.