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@ the AA thing i didn't remember if it was Kira (in the Freedom) or the AA who started firing into the water to cause tidal waves flipping Orb and EA ships over, which i asked to be corrected on if i was wrong |
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2012-01-22, 20:44 | Link #2322 | |
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Losing limbs may have a lower chance, but still a chance nonetheless, but that would depend on the kind of damage each MS takes as a result and I highly doubt that every single shot Kira made on every MS was exactly the same, non-lethal spot, meaning some could've sustained the type of limb loss that lead to the MS being destroyed while others may not have because the damage wasn't so severe. We'll never know how many were what. But if the damage alone doesn't do them in, then other things can still be applied too, as mentioned. Every Gundam series has both; some MS lose limbs, but still end up blowing up while others are lucky enough to lose multiple limbs or even end up 95% trashed up, but still remaining usable, able to be repaired, or just remained intact to a degree that the pilot lives, etc. Big examples like the Neue Ziel in 0083, the GP01 in 0083, Shiro's Ground Combat Gundam in 08th MS Team, the Gundam Alex in 0080, the Gundam Mark II and Zeta Gundam in ZZ, the Wing Gundam at the end of Gundam Wing (though that's a HUGE stretch), the Vayeate after the first hit from the Zero in Gundam Wing (it was the 2nd shot that did it in), the Gundam X after fighting the Bertigo in Gundam X, and so on. Kira's and the Archangel's interference in the battle that caused all the chaos and confusion in the first place is what directly lead to Heine's death at Stellar's hands. While, yes, Heine losing his focus wasn't a smart thing, wouldn't practically anyone in a similar situation? You're on a mission, in the middle of a battle against an enemy force. Then, suddenly, you start taking fire from a 3rd party force that just barges its way in without any previous knowledge of it, and you have no clue where they came from, who's side they're on, what their intentions are, and so on, so now you possibly have 2 enemies to deal with now instead of 1, thus forcing you to divide your attention. This is exactly what Athrun was talking about those times he argued with Kira about their presence being unnecessary. If Kira and the Archangel had never shown up, chances of Heine being caught off-guard like that would've been much, much lower because he would be more focused on the mission and his opponents at hand.
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2012-01-22, 23:00 | Link #2324 |
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If you know which episode i can look it up. @RX-78GP04G Gerbera Destroying any part of a tool or weapon reduces its overall efficiency. Any form or loss of efficiency in middle of a battle may lead to a fatal disaster. @monster I wont argue the point that kira aiming for specific non lethal parts may not directly kill the pilot. But i also would find it hard not to believe that off screen fatalities would occurred influenced from his actions by mechanical structural failures all the way to targets finishing off damaged suits. Fakuda is very generous to remove such real battle dynamics that may or maynot hurt kiras reputation for minimal deaths amongst the main casts. @Revolutionist Its not necessarily important why heine died, but more importantly is how he died. |
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When I answer you for 1 million time that I was answering him? Yes I answered him but he was the one who bring up the subject up. next you change it to Quote:
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As far as he know it could be same as AA ( there is no soldier near AA main canon or was there? i can't remember). In other word: Quote:
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Yes, one tip for you is to re-read your own posts before you post them, a few of them havent made much sense.
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Kira knew what he was doing, that's why he gave that little speech to have Lacus give him the Keys in Destiny Episode 14, he isn't the same little kid he was at the start of Seed, in Destiny Kira knew damn well what he would be doing if he sortied in the Freedom, he was fine with it Quote:
And yeah, as i said in a previous post, Kira tries to avoid killing people, if he didn't heads would roll way too quick, they would run out of grunts to animate. |
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He would of also known firing at any key component of a ship there will either be crew stationed nearby or directly at ship key component. So no he wouldn't of known exactly where the crew would be, but would of known from basic knowledge that there will be crew stationed in close proximity. @Monster Dont think RX-78GP04G Gerbera is pointing out kira's priority, seems my take on his post is that Kira was more of a problem than a solution when he intervened in battles as the late intruder. |
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Basically, until Cagalli is willing to regain control of Orb's government, the only thing Kira could do for her at the moment was to try to lessen Orb's time in battle. |
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2012-01-23, 14:58 | Link #2333 |
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That's one of the ways Kira and co. made things worse in the long-run. By kidnapping Cagalli from the arranged marriage to Yuuno, they took away the only real obstacle standing between the EA and control of Orb, but they didn't give ANY thought to that whatsoever. All they were thinking was, "Oh no! Cagalli is getting married to someone she doesn't love (a.k.a. not Athrun)! We have to save her!", and never even considered the fact that Cagalli was doing it so she could better PROTECT Orb and keep it OUT of the EA's control.
With Cagalli out of the way, it gave Yuuno free reign to ally Orb with the EA, thus making it a fair target for ZAFT to attack as it would not be an affiliate of their enemy, thus causing those battles in the first place. While fans may not like it, Cagalli was trying to do the hardest adult thing by sacrificing her own love for Athrun by marrying Yuuno and taking responsibility as the head of Orb. She does the same thing near the end by giving up Athrun so that she could fully concentrate on Orb's well-being, again, as its leader.
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2012-01-24, 07:42 | Link #2335 |
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Indeed, Minerva was capable of pretty much obliterating the EA/ORB fleet with one tannhauser shot (assuming the Freedom didn't blow the tannhauser up though), if not obliterating, they would be capable of atleast inflicting major damage to the fleet straight infront of them
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thats not the atitude that charactera like kira and cagilli seem to have. look at there secret meeting with athrun. cagilli went on about how the minerva were fighting the orb forces, as i said before the same earth forces who set up the minvera as soon as they left orb. i mean any action you take against orb as far as fighting them goes according to kira and cagilli you are wrong. but its ok for orb to attack and try to destroy the minvera. cagilli and kira do not want anyone attacking orb no matter orb does, it seem to me that athrun kind of calls them out on it.
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2012-01-24, 17:02 | Link #2340 |
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The EA had been trying to, but she always kept with her father's ideals of keeping Orb as a neutral nation and thought the marriage would allow her to have more leeway. But being so young and inexperienced, the pressure was obviously getting to her. But when she was taken out of the picture by Kira and co., that left Yuuno and the other EA there as the highest "authority" more or less that simply took over under the guise of "rescuing Cagalli" and such.
It's why, when Cagalli showed up again to stop the fighting, Yuuno was all insistent that she was an imposter since, if everyone knew it was really her, then they'd ditch him and the EA in an instant. Sadly, the logic in the fact that there was no proof it was really her overrode their minds.
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