(L) Nana

[Sinestra]

Originally Posted by crimmy88

Not yet confirmed but theres a really high possibility =0

Question about Hachi's feelings for Nobu:

Spoiler:

Doesnt Hachi still hold feelings for Nobu? Because i remember in one of her monologues (during ep 27 kissing scene) she was saying something like "The feelings I swore that night are still the same locked in my heart" or was I just thinking too much about it because I dont like Takumi?

Originally Posted by Kyomi

Dunno about that, I only watched the anime, and if nothing happens with Nobu from there on I don't think I'll bother watching a second season or reading the manga.
*Sob* Nobu.. *Sob*

The anime didnt really show much in that department with the future scenes. Remember Nana is told as though its one long flashback. If you want a better sense of what they still feel for each other read the manga.

IMO the feelings Nana and Nobu felt for each never went away it is still there. The problem is lost oppertunties and things left unsaid. Hachi chose the best decision for her child. She never stop loving Nobu she does love Takumi but there is a different kind of love that nobu and her shared that will always be there.

Two scenes in the manga point out these facts very strongly about how they feel about one another as all you have to do is read between the line of the dialog and also watch facial expressions.

[FuzzyWuzzy]

I saw this a while back, around two years ago but I stopped at episode 40. Now after watching the last 7 episodes, it was disappointing that I didn't get any closure whatsoever. This is why I hate anime that uses the manga for their source material. Can't get a decent ending with closure. It seems there will be NANA2 however from the looks of the future, Nobu and Hachi's relationship didn't really get better or get any development whatsoever. It looks like maybe Hachi worked for Nobu's parents as a maid or something along those lines since she calls him young master, I think, I forgot already. So I may not really watch it.

[Taler]

Originally Posted by FuzzyWuzzy

I saw this a while back, around two years ago but I stopped at episode 40. Now after watching the last 7 episodes, it was disappointing that I didn't get any closure whatsoever. This is why I hate anime that uses the manga for their source material. Can't get a decent ending with closure. It seems there will be NANA2 however from the looks of the future, Nobu and Hachi's relationship didn't really get better or get any development whatsoever. It looks like maybe Hachi worked for Nobu's parents as a maid or something along those lines since she calls him young master, I think, I forgot already. So I may not really watch it.

Well actually, this is part of the reason why I really really like NANA. There are no fairy tale endings, it's true to the slice of life formula. Especially if you continue deep into the manga, you'll quickly have your expectations dashed and understanding of the characters shifted. At the end of the first season not all the characters are well developed, none of them are inherantly good or bad people, but they all have their particular weaknesses.

It's hard to say who should be with who, there are so many relationships, and they all seem so right to for each other. But I do believe we will get some kind of closure eventually, and probably in the Nana/Nana department.

My only disappointment is how since Hachiko's marriage she had her personality subsumed into the role of the 'missus', and entirely lost her independent action. She became a much less interesting character as a whole. But maybe that's just a realistic protrait of women and marriage in Japan.

[yezhanquan]

Well, my first post here.

As a manga reader, I'm impressed that the anime did a pretty good job of adaptating the front portion of the series. The voice cast was impressive, to say the least. In all, an enjoyable watch.

As for a second anime series, we can only wait, and hope.

[Sunab0uzu]

im amsuing there's gona be asecond season since they said there would be kind've at the end of nana1

[escimo]

Originally Posted by Sunab0uzu

im amsuing there's gona be asecond season since they said there would be kind've at the end of nana1

There are rumors about it, but it probably won't be made before the manga is finished.

[Kari Izumi]

Originally Posted by FuzzyWuzzy

I saw this a while back, around two years ago but I stopped at episode 40. Now after watching the last 7 episodes, it was disappointing that I didn't get any closure whatsoever. This is why I hate anime that uses the manga for their source material. Can't get a decent ending with closure.

Actually, the anime stopped where it did because they ran out of canon material to use. Short of pulling some filler arc out their ass (which would have failed SO hard with this particular series' nature), there wasn't any other good place to end.

Nobu and Hachi's relationship didn't really get better or get any development whatsoever.

I don't think it was meant to, from the more recent chapters. And while I thought that between Takumi the rapist and Nobu that the latter was the far safer choice, both he and Hachi need to grow up if their relationship was going to work. Hachi has a track record of staying with the man who'd fight hardest for her instead of helping to fight for a relationship. This in part is exactly why Shouji and she split up, but she never even considered that until her final run-in with him when she's pregnant and engaged, and it's too late for anything to happen between them.

My only disappointment is how since Hachiko's marriage she had her personality subsumed into the role of the 'missus', and entirely lost her independent action. She became a much less interesting character as a whole. But maybe that's just a realistic protrait of women and marriage in Japan.

I think one critical flaw for Hachi to over come wasn't so much her lack of independence as her selfishness and being inconsiderate of others.

A big point is how demanding of others she is, especially Shouji...she'd whine about him not spending enough time with her, but then she'd blow off dates to fangirl Nana. Hachi kept forgetting that this is a guy who REALLY had to work his way though school and wasn't just in Tokyo with time to spare. She really expected people to take care of her and give things to her without doing much of anything to earn that. That was in large part why I think she "dumped" Takumi for Nobu...Nobu was the one who she thought could give her the fairy tale she wanted, and she was just as quick to leave him when Takumi came to her rescue when she learned she was pregnant.

Overall, I think the last few chapters since her pregnancy have made Hachi a far more likeable character to me. Not that I didn't love her in the early days, but in spite of Takumi's...um, questionable treatment at times, the relationship she has with him is one where she's really gotta pull and realize that it won't be all about her.

[Shiroth]

Cherrysaurus, this is not the thread to be posting manga spoilers --- could you please delete your post or something.

[LoveLight]

Hi everyone! This is my first post here. Although I've looked through this forum a couple of times, I waited until I caught up to the most recent chapter of Nana (78.2) before I came to share my comments. I wanna warn you though, everything I discuss will somehow contain SPOILERS!!!!!!!!! (otherwise where's the fun in discussion). I'll make a warning at the beginning all the time. Just skip my post if you're not caught up.

Regarding Hachi & Nobu --- I was all for them. Honestly, when Nobu's feelings for Hachi were revealed early on ~chapter 22, I didn't see them coming, nor did I realize how perfect he & Hachi were. He's super caring & attentive to her, he's pure hearted, fun, and he and Hachi act very much alike. (even if recent chapters, and by Nana O, Nobu is sometimes depicted as a dog).

One point to their downfall was that Nobu was too slow to reveal his feelings for her. Now I'm not quite sure exactly when Nobu fell for Hachi, but after her breakup and all, Hachi was vulnerable and got into that tainted relationship with Takumi. Maybe if Nobu had been there earlier to support her, this wouldn't have happened (then again, there'd be no story, so thank goodness XD).

Secondly, Nobu & Hachi's breakup was just unfortunate and a result of Hachi getting into that affair with Takumi. I mean, there were so many pressure points on Nobu all of the sudden. He was definitely not ready to become a father, mentally & financially. His passion for music surpassed that for his relationships (ie: Chiho from chapter 61), and I think a big deal about Hachi is that she respects his (and the rest of Blasts) dedication to their music & fully supports them. Most importantly, all realistic probabilities pointed to the child being Takumi's. It was wrong of Nobu to doubt Hachi. It is reasonable for Nobu to wonder why Takumi was at Hachi's house, calling from her phone. In my opinion, Nobu was too insecure with himself and his ability to compete with Takumi (we've seen these in earlier chapters), so he probably thought that Hachi may still wander. Furthermore, not only is Nobu in no way ready to accept the responsibility of a child, by a girl he dated for ~ 1 week, that was most likely to be the child of a man he absolutely loathed no less. In addition to Hachi who was too overwhelmed by the situation to explain, talk or even stop Nobu from leaving, while all the while uttering "I'm sorry.." I'm not sure what Nobu was supposed to think. It was definitely just too much of an explosion in both their faces, and only Takumi has the maturity and cold-calculativeness to step back, evaluate the situation and make his move.

Still, I don't know what drives Takumi to marry Hachi. I think he might really love her (esp. as chapters go on) because I honestly can't imagine why someone with his maturity level would go sooooo far to spite Nobu. Even after he wins Hachi at the end, he seems to not really care THAT much if Hachi goes off, and he doesn't seem to rub the victory in Nobu's face.

After being devastated that Hachi chose Takumi, I was skipping ahead because the situation was getting worse and worse, and things seemed to be taking Hachi and Nobu further and further away from eachother in permanent manners. I honestly thought, how can the good girl end up with the playboy and the good boy end up with the pornstar? I guess that's Nana for you, not your average Shoujo. When I saw scenes of Satsuki, my heart broke further. I almost stopped reading Nana alltogether because of my passion for HachixNobu. But surprisingly, the angst between this couple who ended off so roughly made the story very interesting.

After I accepted that Hachi was with Takumi, seemingly for good, I start to appreciate when Takumi treats her nicely. The situation isn't ideal, but I agree it made Hachi all the more less selfish and helped develop her character into someone whose responsible and caring. Nobu on the other hand, was an absolute sweetheart for the way he treated Hachi after she left him. I was brought to tears watching how roughly Nobu was making love to Yuri (the first time) and having all these memories of Hachi. I think Yuri is a symbol of Nobu moving on from his pain, growing up, and truly giving Hachi up for the sake of her happiness. I believe he will always love her (as Hachi does to him) but Nobu shows alot of maturity and conviction to step-aside. I think he got lucky with Yuri, and despite the fact that she's a pornstar, I kind of like her personality. She hasn't really mistreated Nobu in any way and I think she's serious about him. They're pretty sweet and I'm just happy Nobu can be happy and stop feeling so depressed. He needs his sunny disposition to continue to be the support to everyone around him and part of the glue that brought everyone together.

I thought the future scenes had alot of ambiguity, and deep down I wish something can happen for Hachi and Nobu in some way. When I saw Ren, I immediately thought, NOBU's CHILD!!!! Ren Jr. is Satsuki's brother, is he not? I mean I considered that it could be like Reira's kid or someone else, or just another HachixTakumi child (it's hard to tell but we know he doesn't have dark hair which guarantees Takumi). Ren looks like Hachi & Nobu too. I always considered the idea that Satsuki might be Ren & Nana's child, though after Ren died it looks like that's sorta impossible. So anyway in the valentine's day future scene when Hachi was asking Satsuki who's she's giving her chocolate to, she suggested, "Takumi" no "Brother" no... and it turned out to be Shin. Since Satsuki shaked her head to brother, I'm assuming that Brother means Ren Jr and not Shin.

Anyway I just think that's absolutely wonderful if the child pregnant Hachi carries throughout the story is the 1/10000000000 chance Nobu child. The child does call Takumi daddy and everything, but you honestly can't expect it to be like, after Hachi gives the delivery and the child is blonde (ie: Nobu's kid), that Takumi & Hachi suddenly break up and Nobu breaks up with Yuri... it just wouldn't go that way. Whether the child was Takumi or Nobu's, Takumi would raise it as his own. It probably went on that way, Hachi & Takumi stayed together and had another child Satsuki. It would also make sense for Hachi to take Ren's name, in honour of Ren (who died) and because Ren gave her the name "Satsuki" in the first place (recall: Hachi was also hoping for a male name containing the flower character incase her child was a boy).

Further more in the future scenes, Hachi was discussing a divorce with Junko. Also we saw in these future scenes that retro doll that Nobu gave Satsuki, indicating that these scenes happen after the bathroom scene. So it's still so ambiguous but I'm curious about what happens! There's plenty of room for something to happen between Hachi and Nobu, whatever that something is. Also, I don't see Yuri around anywhere so until she shows up, I get the feeling that Nobu is on his own again and at that in. Blast never got together again (I'm assuming Nana is gonna go on her disappearance soon now that she's discovered Ren's death). It would be a great conclusion to the story if somehow, 6 years later, they find Nana at that tavern and things happen so that Blast is recreated by the end or something. That would be a great ending, eh?

Anyway sorry for the long post, I know it's all over the place. I'm just sooo excited! Anyone know when the next chapter comes out?

[Sinestra]

Originally Posted by LoveLight

Hi everyone! This is my first post here. Although I've looked through this forum a couple of times, I waited until I caught up to the most recent chapter of Nana (78.2) before I came to share my comments. I wanna warn you though, everything I discuss will somehow contain SPOILERS!!!!!!!!! (otherwise where's the fun in discussion). I'll make a warning at the beginning all the time. Just skip my post if you're not caught up.

Regarding Hachi & Nobu --- I was all for them. Honestly, when Nobu's feelings for Hachi were revealed early on ~chapter 22, I didn't see them coming, nor did I realize how perfect he & Hachi were. He's super caring & attentive to her, he's pure hearted, fun, and he and Hachi act very much alike. (even if recent chapters, and by Nana O, Nobu is sometimes depicted as a dog).

One point to their downfall was that Nobu was too slow to reveal his feelings for her. Now I'm not quite sure exactly when Nobu fell for Hachi, but after her breakup and all, Hachi was vulnerable and got into that tainted relationship with Takumi. Maybe if Nobu had been there earlier to support her, this wouldn't have happened (then again, there'd be no story, so thank goodness XD).

Secondly, Nobu & Hachi's breakup was just unfortunate and a result of Hachi getting into that affair with Takumi. I mean, there were so many pressure points on Nobu all of the sudden. He was definitely not ready to become a father, mentally & financially. His passion for music surpassed that for his relationships (ie: Chiho from chapter 61), and I think a big deal about Hachi is that she respects his (and the rest of Blasts) dedication to their music & fully supports them. Most importantly, all realistic probabilities pointed to the child being Takumi's. It was wrong of Nobu to doubt Hachi. It is reasonable for Nobu to wonder why Takumi was at Hachi's house, calling from her phone. In my opinion, Nobu was too insecure with himself and his ability to compete with Takumi (we've seen these in earlier chapters), so he probably thought that Hachi may still wander. Furthermore, not only is Nobu in no way ready to accept the responsibility of a child, by a girl he dated for ~ 1 week, that was most likely to be the child of a man he absolutely loathed no less. In addition to Hachi who was too overwhelmed by the situation to explain, talk or even stop Nobu from leaving, while all the while uttering "I'm sorry.." I'm not sure what Nobu was supposed to think. It was definitely just too much of an explosion in both their faces, and only Takumi has the maturity and cold-calculativeness to step back, evaluate the situation and make his move.

Still, I don't know what drives Takumi to marry Hachi. I think he might really love her (esp. as chapters go on) because I honestly can't imagine why someone with his maturity level would go sooooo far to spite Nobu. Even after he wins Hachi at the end, he seems to not really care THAT much if Hachi goes off, and he doesn't seem to rub the victory in Nobu's face.

After being devastated that Hachi chose Takumi, I was skipping ahead because the situation was getting worse and worse, and things seemed to be taking Hachi and Nobu further and further away from eachother in permanent manners. I honestly thought, how can the good girl end up with the playboy and the good boy end up with the pornstar? I guess that's Nana for you, not your average Shoujo. When I saw scenes of Satsuki, my heart broke further. I almost stopped reading Nana alltogether because of my passion for HachixNobu. But surprisingly, the angst between this couple who ended off so roughly made the story very interesting.

After I accepted that Hachi was with Takumi, seemingly for good, I start to appreciate when Takumi treats her nicely. The situation isn't ideal, but I agree it made Hachi all the more less selfish and helped develop her character into someone whose responsible and caring. Nobu on the other hand, was an absolute sweetheart for the way he treated Hachi after she left him. I was brought to tears watching how roughly Nobu was making love to Yuri (the first time) and having all these memories of Hachi. I think Yuri is a symbol of Nobu moving on from his pain, growing up, and truly giving Hachi up for the sake of her happiness. I believe he will always love her (as Hachi does to him) but Nobu shows alot of maturity and conviction to step-aside. I think he got lucky with Yuri, and despite the fact that she's a pornstar, I kind of like her personality. She hasn't really mistreated Nobu in any way and I think she's serious about him. They're pretty sweet and I'm just happy Nobu can be happy and stop feeling so depressed. He needs his sunny disposition to continue to be the support to everyone around him and part of the glue that brought everyone together.

I thought the future scenes had alot of ambiguity, and deep down I wish something can happen for Hachi and Nobu in some way. When I saw Ren, I immediately thought, NOBU's CHILD!!!! Ren Jr. is Satsuki's brother, is he not? I mean I considered that it could be like Reira's kid or someone else, or just another HachixTakumi child (it's hard to tell but we know he doesn't have dark hair which guarantees Takumi). Ren looks like Hachi & Nobu too. I always considered the idea that Satsuki might be Ren & Nana's child, though after Ren died it looks like that's sorta impossible. So anyway in the valentine's day future scene when Hachi was asking Satsuki who's she's giving her chocolate to, she suggested, "Takumi" no "Brother" no... and it turned out to be Shin. Since Satsuki shaked her head to brother, I'm assuming that Brother means Ren Jr and not Shin.

Anyway I just think that's absolutely wonderful if the child pregnant Hachi carries throughout the story is the 1/10000000000 chance Nobu child. The child does call Takumi daddy and everything, but you honestly can't expect it to be like, after Hachi gives the delivery and the child is blonde (ie: Nobu's kid), that Takumi & Hachi suddenly break up and Nobu breaks up with Yuri... it just wouldn't go that way. Whether the child was Takumi or Nobu's, Takumi would raise it as his own. It probably went on that way, Hachi & Takumi stayed together and had another child Satsuki. It would also make sense for Hachi to take Ren's name, in honour of Ren (who died) and because Ren gave her the name "Satsuki" in the first place (recall: Hachi was also hoping for a male name containing the flower character incase her child was a boy).

Further more in the future scenes, Hachi was discussing a divorce with Junko. Also we saw in these future scenes that retro doll that Nobu gave Satsuki, indicating that these scenes happen after the bathroom scene. So it's still so ambiguous but I'm curious about what happens! There's plenty of room for something to happen between Hachi and Nobu, whatever that something is. Also, I don't see Yuri around anywhere so until she shows up, I get the feeling that Nobu is on his own again and at that in. Blast never got together again (I'm assuming Nana is gonna go on her disappearance soon now that she's discovered Ren's death). It would be a great conclusion to the story if somehow, 6 years later, they find Nana at that tavern and things happen so that Blast is recreated by the end or something. That would be a great ending, eh?

Anyway sorry for the long post, I know it's all over the place. I'm just sooo excited! Anyone know when the next chapter comes out?

Welcome to the forums LoveLight glad you like Nana its one of my favorites too. But you might want to put some of your post in a spoiler tag.

[Oxtail]

This would also fit better in the NANA manga thread since a lot of the stuff you're discussing takes place after the anime finishes.

As for stuff in the scope of the anime:

Spoiler for Nobu x Hachi:

Nobu x Hachi would have been a horrible relationship. Sure they would have been lovey-dovey for a while, but they would have been a really poor match. As much as I love Hachi, she's still a bit of a flake. And as much as Nobu really does love her, he's too much of a pushover to make it work. He would have given in to her whims at every turn and she would have gotten bored of him and they would have both ended up miserable...much like her past relationship.

And the drama that would have come from Nobu and Nana O not being able to really love the baby because it was Takumi's would have been too much.

I hated Takumi ever since the semi-rape in the hotel(Hachi is partly to blame for letting herself get into that situation), but I had to admit that their marriage was better for Hachi in the long run.

[Marionette]

Originally Posted by Oxtail

I hated Takumi ever since the semi-rape in the hotel(Hachi is partly to blame for letting herself get into that situation), but I had to admit that their marriage was better for Hachi in the long run.[/SPOILER]

Kudos to you for actually caring that Takumi rapes her. But how is that better for her in the long run?

[Molenir]

Because he actually does care for her. And by her getting married, and having to be a mother, she is being forced to actually grow up.

I still hate Takumi though. Would have been better for everyone if he had been the one who died, rather then Ren.

[Jimbasushi]

I have just one question, i watched this anime long time ago, maybe 2-3 years back and i finally got around to finishing the last 14 episodes.

There was a flashback of Everyone getting together for the festival back at the old apartment when they were older. Everyone of blast was there except for NANA. what happend to her? did they just fail to tell her to show up or did she pass away or something!?! someone filled me in.

and sorry for my cluelessness haha i sorta skimmed those last episodes.

[Sinestra]

Originally Posted by Jimbasushi

I have just one question, i watched this anime long time ago, maybe 2-3 years back and i finally got around to finishing the last 14 episodes.

There was a flashback of Everyone getting together for the festival back at the old apartment when they were older. Everyone of blast was there except for NANA. what happend to her? did they just fail to tell her to show up or did she pass away or something!?! someone filled me in.

and sorry for my cluelessness haha i sorta skimmed those last episodes.

hum this is kind of hard to answer and the anime finished with only one half of the story there is still a lot more to go the manga is still running and i can only assume they are waiting for Ai to finally finish up before possibly animating the 2nd half.

If you really want to know what happened i would say pop over the manga thread and read up although its very complicated one explanation will not be enough and it lead to you asking 20 more questions.

[Marionette]

Originally Posted by Molenir

Because he actually does care for her. And by her getting married, and having to be a mother, she is being forced to actually grow up.

I still hate Takumi though. Would have been better for everyone if he had been the one who died, rather then Ren.

He does care about her...like how? Like how he cheats on her with no shame, never comes home, doesn't let her see her friends because it might affect his band and puts her down every time she tries voice her opinion?

Spoiler for Manga:

Especially since he boltedin tears after Layla said she's not singing for him, he completely ignored Hachi who said welcome home, acknowledging her existence only after she came into the room days later (and missing Nana's Bday to stay with him), and than when she tried to cheer him up he told her to "shut up" because she is a kitchen wrench who doesn't know shit. After Ren died, he dropped her off with Miu and than wen straight to Layla, running after her where ever she might need comfort. While a pregnant, distressed Hachi waits for him in front the entrance for hours and all he says is "oh you are here?" and than takes a phone call and leave when she didn't even finish a sentance. Now Hachi's left a devastated Nana to be with Takumi, and Takumi returns the favor by leaving her so he can have time to himself.

Hachi reacts to all this by saying to herself "even if he forgets that I exist as soon as he walks out that door, my only chance of 'winning' is to be his patient suffering wife." How is that changing for the better? She only went to went to comfort Nana when Nana needs her the most because Takumi told her "you have nothing else to do anyways" for gad's sake!

[blaqkpupil]

you're right about takumi, he's not too great of a husband but Oxtail, you're right about nobu and hachi,

Spoiler for nobuxhachi:

i remember it broke my heart when nana and ren were having problems around nana's solo release and he went over to hachi and held her hand and then let go saying "sorry, it's a habit"

i also hate that she didn't tell nobu anything the night they found out she was pregnant, if ONLY she had told him what was going on, he would have understood, but alas it was not meant to be

ideally, i would love for them to be together. and i always wonder what it is he tells to her when it's 6 years later and she prepares the bath for him before the firework show and he calls her name and looks at her intentively and then there's a focus on the ring on her hand

and the relationship with takumi is messed up, but hachi is aware of it

Spoiler for takumi's behavior:

like when she talks to shin and tells him "oh, daddy's lover probabley left him because he comes home early from work and brings work with him too"

she's not stupid, but like most women who might find herself in that situation, she dedicates herself to making sure her home is the sanctuary that her husband can go to rest in. also when he pushes her aside, she knows her place most of the time and in her own way knows how takumi's emotions work, so although sometimes it may hurt that he is not the IDEAL husband she always wanted, he was responsible enough to take care of matters seriously like when it came to her pregnancy

takumi's buisness-like attitude to everything he does even in relationships is his own way of protecting himself and hachi knows that, as air-headed as she may seem, she knows that in the end, this is who he is and nothing is going to change that.

[ArrowSmith]

I have to say this is one of the most hilarious animes through the first 20+ episodes. The humor really dies down after that. But the early parts with "Hachi" especially when they show the dog ears on her just put me in stiches!

[Lilith]

Marionette, just a note: I think manga spoilers are not favored here in the anime thread.

About Takumi and Hachi: the fact that Hachi is still staying beside Takumi and fighting for her position as a wife is a change, compared to her attitude with Asano-san, Shouji and Nobu. For the anime viewers, you will understand more about her decision of choosing Takumi from the later chapters of manga.

[Marionette]

Originally Posted by blaqkpupil

you're right about takumi, he's not too great of a husband but Oxtail, you're right about nobu and hachi,

Spoiler for nobuxhachi:

i remember it broke my heart when nana and ren were having problems around nana's solo release and he went over to hachi and held her hand and then let go saying "sorry, it's a habit"

i also hate that she didn't tell nobu anything the night they found out she was pregnant, if ONLY she had told him what was going on, he would have understood, but alas it was not meant to be

ideally, i would love for them to be together. and i always wonder what it is he tells to her when it's 6 years later and she prepares the bath for him before the firework show and he calls her name and looks at her intentively and then there's a focus on the ring on her hand

and the relationship with takumi is messed up, but hachi is aware of it

Spoiler for takumi's behavior:

like when she talks to shin and tells him "oh, daddy's lover probabley left him because he comes home early from work and brings work with him too"

she's not stupid, but like most women who might find herself in that situation, she dedicates herself to making sure her home is the sanctuary that her husband can go to rest in. also when he pushes her aside, she knows her place most of the time and in her own way knows how takumi's emotions work, so although sometimes it may hurt that he is not the IDEAL husband she always wanted, he was responsible enough to take care of matters seriously like when it came to her pregnancy

takumi's buisness-like attitude to everything he does even in relationships is his own way of protecting himself and hachi knows that, as air-headed as she may seem, she knows that in the end, this is who he is and nothing is going to change that.

What you said about Takumi...how does most women react to her husband not loving her and does her every wrong he could by being even more of a push over? What did you get that idea? And it's OK that he treat her like shit as long as he prevent her from being a unmarried mom and that she knows her place?

Originally Posted by Lilith

Marionette, just a note: I think manga spoilers are not favored here in the anime thread.

About Takumi and Hachi: the fact that Hachi is still staying beside Takumi and fighting for her position as a wife is a change, compared to her attitude with Asano-san, Shouji and Nobu. For the anime viewers, you will understand more about her decision of choosing Takumi from the later chapters of manga.

How is that a change for the better?

PS: thanks for the reminder, I tagged it.