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View Poll Results: Umineko no Naku Koro ni - Episode 15 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 32 | 21.48% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 45 | 30.20% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 43 | 28.86% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 18 | 12.08% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 6 | 4.03% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 1 | 0.67% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 1 | 0.67% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 3 | 2.01% | |
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2009-10-11, 23:21 | Link #261 |
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The trouble is, are we sure Beatrice's pieces are black? Maria could be Battler's piece. While Maria seems to be the Black King, they're is the slight chance she's in fact the Black Queen piece. Again the analogy starts to break down when Maria dies before the game ends if Maria is King....unless it means Eva Beatrice is starting another game (having taken the Black King)....or this is not your normal two player chess. Three player...four?
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2009-10-12, 00:08 | Link #264 | |
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Deciphering what things are constant and what are not is one of the keys in solving the mystery behind everything.
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2009-10-12, 00:09 | Link #265 |
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The questions were answered but there are two points where I differ.
I do think that MetaBattler and Battler are connected, the only problem is that Battler cannot access to the MetaBattler's memories and therefore cannot act with a superior knowledge of the events. This connection manifest itself in the way that whenever MetaBattler finds a way to dismantle a theory in the metaworld, the same happens in the gameboard. See episode2, there are a few scenes like that, like when Battler proves Kanon couldn't be the killer. Note that the opposite never happens. It never happens that piece Battler finds a solution that Meta Battler doesn't. At the same time, if Metabattler is unabled to react to a certain theory because of a red truth, piece Battler is also unable to react even so he is not restrained by any red truth. Another thing I am not so sure of is that Battler died in Ep1. We actually have no confirmation of this. Of course it is the most obvious conclusion, but the truth doesn't necessarily need to be obvious. Lastly I believe that there is an unwritten rule that whatever piece Battler sees is the truth. However this is limited to the two days of the game from 0.00 of October 4 to 24:00 of October 5. What was speculated to justify Battler seeing magic in episode2 (being drunk) is actually easier to explain by saying it was past midnight. In fact Battler has started seeing magic even at the end of ep1
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2009-10-12, 00:11 | Link #266 | |||
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Thanks for all the replies! I think I'm starting to get a hang of the world now, so back in game
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That is why in this round Eva ended up solving the mystery and finding the gold. It is why Rosa was the last adult left last round. They'll all die, and it'll be via magic (should you choose to believe it) or human hand... the interpretation is left to the viewer. Yeah, I kinda feel that. But I still feel that it should have some consistent logic and rules otherwise it wouldn't be a fun "game." My problem was I didn't understand quite all the rules, so I couldn't grasp the sequence of events and why they were happening. Quote:
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Which brings me to the notion of a Piece-Beato... If we assume that the 'chessboard' is self contained, and that there's a Piece-Beato, why does the Meta-Beato keep on surfacing as well? If Eva-Beatrice got her Endless powers from the Piece-Beato witch, how does the Meta-Beato step in to do her actions in Ep 15 (stopping Eva-Beatrice's rampage, killing Rosa and Maria)? The idea of an Endless Witch restricted inside of a playing field governed by a Meta-Endless Witch seems a bit... out there. But to assume that Meta-Beato did transfer her Endless powers to Eva-Beatrice simply because this round she happened to find the gold seems off too, because then without her powers, what will happen to the game? |
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2009-10-12, 00:16 | Link #267 |
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It is not like Virgilia became powerless, in fact if it wasn't for that cheap trick Beato used, Virgilia would have won the battle.
I think you can assume that even so the title was transfered, Beato still remains a witch.
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2009-10-12, 00:28 | Link #271 |
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Well you know, I am not sure myself. Virgilia seems to still possess the power to return things to their previous state, but it must be said that Virgilia never mastered the endless magic in the first place. So it is impossible to know if she actually lost any power at all
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2009-10-12, 02:02 | Link #272 |
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I have a question relating to this and last chapter....
In anime, Virgilia was showed to be killed in action and ended up losing. But in one of the youtube clip, we saw Virgilia was not hit, but when she looked aside there's was a body similar to her(implied that's her real body) lying on the ground stuck with spears. That's when she lost. How about the original (SN) source ? Another thing that i'm not sure if it's relevant. It seems some (or all) of the gold were always discovered in each world. In the first world it was Krauss (self-claimed that it was through a merchant). In the second, it was "Beatrice", put it onto the Halloween table. In the the third world it was Rosa and Eva. It seems Rosa could be the culprit: - Ep I, she found the gold, realised some secrets. Trick Kraus for a purpose then fake her death... before killing everyone - Ep II, found the gold, also realised some secrets. Killed everyone. Alive till Battler's death - Ep III, found the gold, realised some secrets. Gave Eva clues so she can find it (for some purposes). Act like she found it too (for a purpose). Killed Maria, then fake her death..
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2009-10-12, 02:32 | Link #273 |
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The original one was Virgilia looking behind her and finding out herself there pincushioned by spears. When Beato chanted the spell, the fighting Virgilia slowly faded away.
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2009-10-12, 02:53 | Link #274 | |
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But it make more sense than carelessly got shot from behind in action
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2009-10-12, 03:26 | Link #275 |
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The thing is, when Beato raised the two towers, the hidden towers behind already killed Virgilia (presumably in an instant). Beato decided to revive Virgilia temporarily and have fun with her.
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2009-10-12, 06:49 | Link #280 | |
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Well yeah there is that small difference, but technically it isn't much different. Virgilia gets killed, and in the blink of an eye Beatrice revives her. This means that the battle you see after that really happens (at least in the magic world) and Beatrice lost.
However Virgilia at that point was already a piece being taken by Beatrice, so Beatrice reset her status turning her back to how she was when she died and of course anything that she did after that was reset as well. The cheap trick is the fact that Beatrice called two towers, but in fact she summoned four of them, two of them very far behind Virgilia. In other words it was an unannounced check. Also it should be said that in chess you are supposed to start with two rooks not four. Ah maybe not everyone got all the chess reference. However the towers are rooks, the giants are the pawns, ant the halberds are bishops. In fact pawns are used to create a defensive barrier and bishops are the perfect pieces to pierce through such a defense. Quote:
In episode two the three ingots certainly come from the pile of gold we see in Episode3, but there's still the possibility that they were brought there by the person that acts as Beatrice. Of course this would mean that Beatrice, as she claims, knows the gold location already.
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