2012-11-05, 07:48 | Link #1542 | |
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It’s funny though. IIRC, the first posters who argue about "Delta Plus being Gundam or not" is Zeroexia & me (Destined was talking about Delta Kai atm). While Zeroexia & me already reach some understanding, Destined still insists that Delta Plus is technically & officially a Gundam. And now, after being countered again and again, he basically begs us not to bother him again about it. (while at the same time, he can’t provide any solid evidence of what he’s claiming). It’s hilarious.
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2012-11-05, 11:06 | Link #1543 |
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You would need the game, I doubt there are any screenshots out that I could even find considering many Gundam games are Japanese only and my keyboard can't do Japanese text.
Furthermore I really don't care weather you believe me or not. I know that the game side officially recognizes it as a Gundam and that's good enough for me. |
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Notice how all of them do not use the term "Gundam" in the Delta Plus's full name, or how the paragraph of text doesn't say "デルタプラスガンダム," "Deruta Purasu Gandamu", or Delta Plus Gundam. Quote:
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But if you can't even provide this, then all you're doing is backpedaling and trying to cover your tracks--again--because I proved you wrong--again. I told you before, I'm not going to allow others to spread misinformation around; Gundam has enough of that as it is. Quote:
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2012-11-05, 12:31 | Link #1545 | |
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Where it is even mentioned ? The name itself is Delta Plus in the profile. And not even a single mention about it being a Gundam in the paragraph that describe it. |
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2012-11-05, 14:01 | Link #1546 |
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It's an in game thing and that's only the top. You're more than free to translate all of it if you want to make this into a dispute instead of just agreeing to disagree. After all a screeni of just the top in complete Japanese isn't all that great of a source. I'll wait.
Oh, and you should also do Delta Gundam and Delta Gundam Kai as well while you're at it since there seems to be a dispute over whether they're Gundams or not as well too despite them being far more obvious than the Delta Plus and even bearing the Gundam name. Take your time, no need to rush. As I said, agree to disagree, Rising. Delta Plus is and isn't officially a Gundam depending which official source you check. |
2012-11-05, 14:18 | Link #1547 | |
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Compared to other official sources for the Delta Plus, such as... 1 2 No. It's not "is and isn't", it just isn't. Simple as that.
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2012-11-05, 14:40 | Link #1548 | |
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Or let me ask you this way, What things are considered as reliable/official sources for you?. Before you are saying Games again, be sure to also mention the specific game and not to include Overworld again otherwise we will just be going in circles. Clearly, it's not Overworld because apparently you denied the info from it already. Tell me every Gundam game that has Delta Plus in it, I will gladly put the screenshot from the game itself. |
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2012-11-05, 14:52 | Link #1549 | |
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Official is official, meaning it's either officially a Gundam or unofficially a Gundam. Now whether or not a person wishes to identify a mobile suit as a Gundam is up to them because as stated before, Gundam is merely a name. However if it doesn't officially contain "Gundam" or ガンダム in its name, then it isn't officially a Gundam. (emphasis on official) IMHO, the anime and then gunpla models have higher canon than video games. (Although as pointed out before, Delta Plus does not contain ガンダム in its name in games either.) Now, it may not be officially a Gundam but you can always consider it in your heart a Gundam. I motion to close this argument. It's been solved already and the vast majority, probably all but one, has agreed on what defines an official Gundam but we also agree that individuals can determine their own unofficial Gundams. Good. Let's stop the aggravation in here and move on. /debate (On a sidenote, it seems like I keep on seeing Destined Fate saying something which people disprove with facts. Then Destined Fate rejects said facts, refuses to provide his/her own evidence and refuses to "quit", causing the entire thread to devolve into everybody attacking Destined Fate. Maybe next time, we should stop after providing all the facts and ignore Destined Fate if he/she repeats the same process. It would make everybody's lives easier and happier. Gundam isn't about arguing. ) And remember what Char said "Nobody likes to admit their mistakes due to their own youth but I guess this time I simply have no choice. " Last edited by zeroexia; 2012-11-05 at 15:10. |
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2012-11-05, 16:10 | Link #1550 | |
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I'm not attacking Destined_Fate for this, but I can't speak for others.
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2012-11-05, 17:31 | Link #1551 |
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I'm actually glad that people like Rising Dragon take the time to point out any misinformation that gets posted. See, I am a newbie here and I get pretty much all of my Gundam information from these boards. If no one points out that the information is wrong then how am I supposed to know?
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2012-11-05, 18:17 | Link #1552 | |
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However if the one who gave said misinformation refuses to accept the correct information after repeated attempts, we should then proceed to stop arguing with that individual over something has already been proven. There should be a point where it is not necessary to continue answering to a person who refuses to accept the truth. It's up to each person when such a point is reached but I merely wanted to note a possible solution to a possible dilemma so that the situation doesn't degrade further. (Imagine if all that was in this thread was about whether or not Delta+ is a Gundam.) |
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2012-11-05, 19:34 | Link #1553 | |
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Well, “the path to the truth is a rocky one” they say. So, I think any poster with the knowledge (like Rising Dragon, Kirayuki, myself and others) are welcomed to disprove any wrong information given by a certain poster. Especially if that certain poster insists that the wrong information is the truth and keeps on posting it without providing a shred of evidence. Like Rising Dragon said, this will prevent the newbies from acquiring wrong information from this forum (especially this thread). IMO, the “correction” has to keep going as long as that certain member keeps on posting false information on this thread. Please note that (in this case) we’re not meant to personally attack Destined Fate, we are basically “attacking” the false information that he keeps on posting by asking him for a solid evidence of what he claims to be fact (which he fails to provide so far).
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2012-11-06, 00:00 | Link #1554 | |
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2012-11-06, 00:56 | Link #1555 | ||
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I didn't say rule out Overworld. I said that what you provided didn't even say anything. If you want to use it against me the least you can do is translate it fully, if not than I suggest not even bringing in material that you can't even read. Besides, why should I even provide more games if you can't even get one down?
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Just because you say no it isn't doesn't change that and as I said we aren't going to convince each other otherwise thus this whole conversation is pointless and has been beaten to death already. Oh, calling others you don't agree with "troublemakers"? Shame on you Rising, you're already throwing mud just because you cannot refute the fact that other official sources do consider the Delta Plus a Gundam. Quote:
Delta series = Gundams. Hyaku Shiki was supposed to be a Gundam as well but issues resulted in a half completed MS with the Gundam name dropped despite for all intents and purposes it pretty much being a Gundam anyway as it was created to be one and was supposed to sport the Gundam name. Delta Gundam(Gundam) - > Delta Plus(Upgraded and highly improved Delta Gundam, Gundam) - > Delta Gundam Kai(Gundam) If the Delta Plus isn't a Gundam than neither is the Delta Gundam which clearly isn't the case. Last edited by Destined_Fate; 2012-11-06 at 01:10. |
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2012-11-06, 01:13 | Link #1556 | |
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In this case, the false info is that “Delta Plus is officially a Gundam” which is not true according to various legitimate sources already provided by Rising Dragon and Kirayuki. It’s not a matter of personal opinion or taste. It’s just plain wrong. The one that says "no" is not us. It's the official sources.
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2012-11-06, 01:13 | Link #1557 |
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Again with your whole "It must be named Gundam to be Gundam" while you ignore the fact that the Delta Plus is literally the Delta Gundam with a fresh coat of paint. Hence the name Delta Plus, it's an upgrade over the Delta Gundam. There's no need to say Delta Plus Gundam since that's redundant and it's quite obvious that the Delta Plus is a Gundam which looks nearly identical, other than just being vastly better, to the Delta Gundam.
You aren't one to talk, I already explained the reasoning behind why it's a Gundam multiple times yet you've ignored all of it and continue going with "No Gundam in its name thus it can't be a Gundam" excuse. I don't care if you disagree either, doesn't change that officially it is and isn't a Gundam. The only one trying to convince anyone here is you since I'm more than satisfied with the industries stance that it is and isn't a Gundam since not even those Officially agree over it despite the fact that it's obviously a Gundam, was based off a previous Gundam, and a Gundam was than developed from it. Accusing me of lying now? How low will you go over a simple disagreement? You're the one turning this out to anything more than it is and you're the one that has started hurling insults at me just because you don't agree. Show a little tact will you? |
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Just because something was developed from a Gundam doesn't make what was developed from it a Gundam. Superior or inferior to the original Gundam it was developed from doesn't matter. If the Delta Plus was considered a Gundam because it was developed from a Gundam, then the GMs are also Gundams because they were developed from the Gundam.
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2012-11-06, 01:21 | Link #1559 |
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Come back to me when you actually provide some material other than "No it isn't, you're wrong and I'm going to ignore everything I just qouted, no Gundam in name thus it can't be a Gundam!!!, I can't hear you, MG is always correct(It isn't), those that don't disagree with me are trolls!, troublemaker because you don't agree with me!, and LIAR!!!".
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