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Marcus H. · 2013-07-07, 02:53

Just a speculah. Maybe Koyomi — as an oddity — can see Mayoi, and Tsubasa, as an oddity herself, can also see Mayoi. People affected by oddities (Hitagi, Nadeko and possibly Suruga) wouldn't be able to see Mayoi. As for the siblings, there's a chance that Tsukihi is the only one who can be able to see Mayoi.

Malkuth · 2013-07-07, 03:01

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Originally Posted by Marcus H.

Just a speculah. Maybe Koyomi — as an oddity — can see Mayoi, and Tsubasa, as an oddity herself, can also see Mayoi. People affected by oddities (Hitagi, Nadeko and possibly Suruga) wouldn't be able to see Mayoi. As for the siblings, there's a chance that Tsukihi is the only one who can be able to see Mayoi.

No, as mentioned here already, Tsubasa and Koyomi could originally see Mayoi because they "wanted to be lost". After the end of Mayoi Snail, Mayoi was not bound to aimlessly look for her demolished home, and despite not explicitly stated, but since Koyomi didn't wish anymore to drift away from his home and still could see her, Mayoi's state has changed and could be observed... by who or how is not stated. Should I speculate, at least the persons that interacted with her can see her (Koyomi/Tsubasa from the cast).

komaruze · 2013-07-07, 04:14

Hm, this is just speculation from my side, but maybe Mayoi is still around because she not only "found" her home, but also established new emotional connections, mainly with Koyomi. A consistent characteristic of most kaii throughout the series has been so far that they are only there if someone wants them to be there ... so I think it could be possible that Koyomi wanting Hachikuji to be around is what still binds her to the "real world". Maybe she will vanish when Koyomi "allows" her to go? I guess the dialogue from the first episode of Nise between the two could be a hint:

Araragi: "You aren't going to dissapear, are you?"
Hachikuji: "You spend so much time worrying about others. The only people you foist your problems on are Shinobu-san and me, right? I won't leave. Really. If I was in really bad trouble, would you help me?"
Araragi: "I would. Of course I would."

frodonk · 2013-07-07, 05:50

just dump senjougahara already.

also, hitagi was offering hanekawa a place to stay.. might be because she knows hanekawa will eventually end up in arararagi's house. but that's just me speculating on hitagi's intentions.

Polarpew · 2013-07-07, 06:30

its back

lots of fan service this episode, followed the LN pretty nicely, even with the joke about the chapter skipping

Marcus H. · 2013-07-07, 07:06

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Araragi: "You aren't going to dissapear, are you?"
Hachikuji: "You spend so much time worrying about others. The only people you foist your problems on are Shinobu-san and me, right? I won't leave. Really. If I was in really bad trouble, would you help me?"
Araragi: "I would. Of course I would."

Reminds me of that MAD mixing that part of dialogue between Araragi and Mayoi.
The song used for the MAD: "Love the Way You Lie".

articuzwolf · 2013-07-07, 07:21

Putting the fanservice near the end of the episode aside

Hachikuji's scenes in front of Araragi's house are just pure win

During Nise, I realised that Monogatari is actually more fun when Hachikuji is involved in conversation

~~Curse you Araragi, infecting me with incurable lolicon disease~~

redgrnbluylw · 2013-07-07, 09:20

Wait a sec... Where's the preview for the next episode? And where was the endcard picture? Has anybody seen these?

omimon · 2013-07-07, 09:48

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Originally Posted by redgrnbluylw

Wait a sec... Where's the preview for the next episode? And where was the endcard picture? Has anybody seen these?

The endcard was there. As for the preview this series gave up giving previews since Nise.

Tyabann · 2013-07-07, 10:27

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Originally Posted by omimon

The endcard was there. As for the preview this series gave up giving previews since Nise.

Yeah, Nise only had previews for the BD release. Kaiki did a rather hilarious one.

Kanon · 2013-07-07, 11:02

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Originally Posted by Malkuth

What upper hand? How so? Hitagi just tries to figure out the competition... and as always is totally oblivious that she has won, acting still like the looser

That's it felt like to me. She couldn't help but agree (sometimes reluctantly) to everything Hitagi asked, including taking a bath with her just so she could check out her body.

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Originally Posted by omimon

The endcard was there. As for the preview this series gave up giving previews since Nise.

Can you post the end card please? I can't seem to find it.

Sol Falling · 2013-07-07, 12:50

Weren't previews of some sort for Nise posted on the website online? I seem to remember something like that happening. Cutting previews out does open up maybe ~30 seconds extra screentime per episode. I can see why they might've done that, starting with Nise.

BaKaBaKaOtaKu · 2013-07-07, 12:56

Loved the episode especially the interactions between my favorite girls, Hitagi and Tsubasa XDD Thank you SHAFT for the grand fanservice LOL.

***relentlessflame*** · 2013-07-07, 13:53

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Malkuth · 2013-07-07, 14:59

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Originally Posted by Kanon

That's it felt like to me. She couldn't help but agree (sometimes reluctantly) to everything Hitagi asked, including taking a bath with her just so she could check out her body.

I think I know what you mean... you are refering to how Tsubasa was conceding in everyone of Hitagi's ridiculous demands... if that's the case, that's how she behaves to fit in, she did it with her family in Bake- and Neko-, and with Koyomi in Kizu-. Nonetheless, that doesn't mean that Hitagi has the upper hand, because she knows very well that she is Koyomi's girlfriend, because Tsubasa will not compromise in the romantic relationship front, and wants Koyomi to come to her, unlike Hitagi that hunts him.

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Can you post the end card please? I can't seem to find it.

HandofFate · 2013-07-07, 18:35

The conversation encounters with Mayoi was very fun. Love her counseling sessions with Araragi and now with Tsubasa, its great.

Even if Mayoi lost her "can be seen by people that want to be lost" stigma, her meeting Tsubasa in the beginning episode still holds the intent I think just because of what we know of what she used to be.

Shadow5YA · 2013-07-07, 20:05

I can understand not wanting to trouble others (even I would feel like I am leeching off someone else if I'm living at their house for free), but it's really strange not to do a double take when you're living like a hobo using newspapers as bedsheets.

And if SHAFT is willing to show Hitagi stripping down to and posing in her lingerie, they better start the next episode with both of them in the bath!

Dawn · 2013-07-07, 20:34

Really good stuff. Hanekawa's soliloquies and inflections made Neko white really interesting. Keeps it fresh.
I loved the Koyomi-esque tsukkomis. And Mayoi in front of the house. ara? ara? arararara?

Spoiler for Missed a silly gag from the novel though ><:

SQA · 2013-07-07, 21:15

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Originally Posted by Sol Falling

Weren't previews of some sort for Nise posted on the website online? I seem to remember something like that happening. Cutting previews out does open up maybe ~30 seconds extra screentime per episode. I can see why they might've done that, starting with Nise.

The previews, I believe, show up on the official site mid-week. So, they do happen, just not in-episode.

Shinbo needs more time to get in fanservice.

SQA · 2013-07-07, 21:18

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Originally Posted by frodonk

just dump senjougahara already.

also, hitagi was offering hanekawa a place to stay.. might be because she knows hanekawa will eventually end up in arararagi's house. but that's just me speculating on hitagi's intentions.

Well, part of Senjougahara's charm is that Koyomi is stuck with her, no matter what. Even if he did "dump" her, she'd probably find a way to actually kill him. He and everyone else gets that.

Doesn't mean Hitagi doesn't fear Hanekawa. Though Araragi's influence on Hitagi is getting a little hilarious.

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komaruze Tanna Japonensis Join Date: Sep 2012	Hm, this is just speculation from my side, but maybe Mayoi is still around because she not only "found" her home, but also established new emotional connections, mainly with Koyomi. A consistent characteristic of most kaii throughout the series has been so far that they are only there if someone wants them to be there ... so I think it could be possible that Koyomi wanting Hachikuji to be around is what still binds her to the "real world". Maybe she will vanish when Koyomi "allows" her to go? I guess the dialogue from the first episode of Nise between the two could be a hint: Araragi: "You aren't going to dissapear, are you?" Hachikuji: "You spend so much time worrying about others. The only people you foist your problems on are Shinobu-san and me, right? I won't leave. Really. If I was in really bad trouble, would you help me?" Araragi: "I would. Of course I would." Last edited by komaruze; 2013-07-07 at 04:28.

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Polarpew Bash'a no falor talah Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: New York USA Age: 33	its back lots of fan service this episode, followed the LN pretty nicely, even with the joke about the chapter skipping __________________ Epicness

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frodonk Master of Killing Time Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Makinohara Service Area	just dump senjougahara already. also, hitagi was offering hanekawa a place to stay.. might be because she knows hanekawa will eventually end up in arararagi's house. but that's just me speculating on hitagi's intentions.

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Sol Falling Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Age: 35	Weren't previews of some sort for Nise posted on the website online? I seem to remember something like that happening. Cutting previews out does open up maybe ~30 seconds extra screentime per episode. I can see why they might've done that, starting with Nise.

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BaKaBaKaOtaKu Stupidity is Bliss. Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: In Hancock's Heart	Loved the episode especially the interactions between my favorite girls, Hitagi and Tsubasa XDD Thank you SHAFT for the grand fanservice LOL.

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HandofFate Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006	The conversation encounters with Mayoi was very fun. Love her counseling sessions with Araragi and now with Tsubasa, its great. Even if Mayoi lost her "can be seen by people that want to be lost" stigma, her meeting Tsubasa in the beginning episode still holds the intent I think just because of what we know of what she used to be.

2013-07-07, 20:05	Link #77
Shadow5YA Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010	I can understand not wanting to trouble others (even I would feel like I am leeching off someone else if I'm living at their house for free), but it's really strange not to do a double take when you're living like a hobo using newspapers as bedsheets. And if SHAFT is willing to show Hitagi stripping down to and posing in her lingerie, they better start the next episode with both of them in the bath!

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Dawn ^o^ Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Australia	Really good stuff. Hanekawa's soliloquies and inflections made Neko white really interesting. Keeps it fresh. I loved the Koyomi-esque tsukkomis. And Mayoi in front of the house. ara? ara? arararara? Spoiler for Missed a silly gag from the novel though ><: "Not a tiger-striped cat?" "Nope. A tiger-striped tiger." "Not a tiger-striped zebra?" "That's just a normal zebra."