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or maybe GS series should do time traveling like doctor who?! besides the voice of rau & rey is the current doctor http://youtube.com/watch?v=UY2n7KHCF5c imagine GS doing doctor who
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2007-11-06, 23:23 | Link #582 | |
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2007-11-07, 00:13 | Link #583 | |
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2007-11-07, 16:54 | Link #584 | |
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2007-11-07, 18:57 | Link #586 |
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yeah i know that & but it confuse that in a zeo ep in the far future that zordan is still alive!!!
& speaking of GS 3 maybe they might try doing it in a high school musical http://youtube.com/watch?v=EhkepO-z-_Q besides they did get meyrin's jap voice fumiko orikasa as gabriella also that Auel (ichigo)'s jap voice as troy
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2007-11-07, 21:06 | Link #587 |
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Well, I can see the point in it. Because while Power Rangers may have the same Sentai costumes, "Zords", and the clips from the Japanese shows, it's still majorly a different show. Different characters, different story (okay, not entirely different, but you know what I mean), and new twists and ideas on other things in the Japanese Sentai shows it was based on.
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2007-11-07, 22:12 | Link #588 |
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Case in point, Code Geass? I wonder why they decided to split it into 2 seasons... I guess it is some wicked sense of business (Geass merchandise) and general "fan tease" so that fans of the show would be able to anticipate it a LOT. LOL. @ Tak I also know that. I was actually replying to both D-KLAC and 4Tran's responses. And of course, hour length CE = LOLz for some people. I like what they did about Stargazer, and the teasers for Red and Blue Frame Astrays, given they were only short features at best. At least the time constraints didn't actually get into the people who did those stuff. That was what I was also implying in my response to 4Tran.
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Besides, it isn't really that much different negotiating a 1-hour block for anime than it is to do so for doramas. Obviously, this is already commonly done on Japanese television, so it shouldn't be that much of a stumbling block. What is a stumbling block (and I brought it up earlier) is that Figure 17 only released a single episode a month.
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2007-11-08, 12:43 | Link #590 |
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My point is that not all formats are considered feasible for the one hour slot every single day or depending on when they show it. As ==>this thread is about a probable, possible 3rd CE series<==, I was just illustrating how it could not possibly be, and besides, I was also replying to D-KLAC about the horrors of an hour length series. It is just a shame that nobody tried to do that using other possible genres, but also remember that what is possible for Figure 17 (the format, etc., storyline how it came to be) would not be the same as for all shows. This is just what I was saying. Hour length feature anime is still a scary prospect, as what I have also said a while ago.
Anime = doramas in the way they could negotiated for airtime? I don't think so. They would probably have the same similarities in terms of popularizing the show and catering to the audience who would find the time slots alright/OK/sucks all the way in their opinion, but that is all they have in common. Networks have to strike the right balance in all their shows, and depending on the anime, it may or may not be shown to the audience, which becomes riskier if this move should alienate the prospects of the show actually becoming quite popular in their own right for their own intended fanbase in that country. So that is why there are anime which are ported over to other countries and some anime banned in other countries. Even if the anime is considered very popular where it came from, it really depends on the country's entertainment regulation industry + country morals (or "so called" morals, sometimes) + fanbase before it could even be considered to be shown to the audiences. So if Crayon Shin Chan decides to risk having an hour length feature, it's 50/50 chance that it would either become successful or even more popular or fail spectacularly. Except for locally produced shows which are more or less adapted to the moral + fanbase structure of the country, foreign shows also undergo the same screening process before it gets aired, but since there have been a lot of "real life" shows that have the same format, it is NOT as risky. Figure 17 is the only one that risked to having the hour length/one show per month only format in anime form, but still it is risky, because it simply was the first show that did it, and did OK. Utilizing what made Figure 17 OK could not be exactly the same for any other kind of anime to do that because of the many various narrative techniques/animation techniques or whatever else people would employ just to tell a story. Can you stand an hour's worth of Naruto? Bleach? Every week? There will come a time when people could actually say that it sucks for being too long, and was even better when it was just half an hour long.
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2007-11-08, 14:40 | Link #591 | |
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By the way, there's no need for you to keep reiterating the problems inherent in a 1-hour production - nobody's saying that it'd be free of limitations.
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2007-11-08, 19:32 | Link #592 |
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well GSD's final plus was like a hour
besides was there an any anime series that was 1hr per ep?! & also maybe GS 3rd could do like this http://youtube.com/watch?v=68MZ0qvYJAI (besides this vid show athrun zala as 007)
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2007-11-08, 21:45 | Link #593 |
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I don't see why an anime episode would have to be only 30 minutes long besides financial concerns. A lot of scifi shows here in the United States with proper money support are of the hour long variety. Heavily serialized shows like Heroes, Lost, etc all do just fine. Of course they all have a staff of writers. I felt GS/GSD could've used the extra time to flesh out each characters more thoroughly and filling in more details on how the events came about. The Clyne faction for example definitely needed more development time.
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2007-11-08, 22:15 | Link #594 | |
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Live action is quite different from animation. Shooting a scene is magnitudes easier than animating something of the same length. Anyone can shoot a five-minute live action sequence with basic equipment; not everyone can create a similar sequence in animation, especially if you're going for fluidity of movement and good art at the same time. And also, 25 minutes have been the standard length for animation episodes ever since the first serial decades ago. Not only is it easier to create an animated episode of such length in less than a couple of weeks or so, they're also easier to squeeze into network schedules, and of course tradition.
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2007-11-08, 22:48 | Link #595 |
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@.@;; I was just saying that an hour length feature could NOT be feasible for some formats. That is ALL. I am not saying that you're saying that it's probable for another CE show. I know what you're trying to say, that an hour length feature could be good and it already has been done and has a lot of cool benefits - i.e., Figure 17. I was just explaining why it could not be feasible for some formats, and you are just saying that it has already been done and that it has a lot of good potential.
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Tradition be damned! If Gundam show had a budget of more than $3 million per episode then the hour long mark wouldn't that difficult to reach especially with the current advancement of computer assisted animation techniques. |
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Western live action shows are quite different since most of the production can be compartmentalized, so that CGI can be done concurrently with the other aspects like filming, set design, costumes, props, writing, etc. If a Gundam show were budgeted at $3 million per episode, then Sunrise would probably use that money to make ten different shows instead (or more accurately, fifty shows).
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2007-11-09, 00:28 | Link #599 |
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Did I say explicitly or implicitly that somebody is disagreeing with me why I always state those reasons again and again? I was merely saying what I thought as you were merely saying what you thought. And of course, trying to explain myself, as I guess you also were. Let's just already leave it at that, OK? It could also be a budget issue. If the show flopped, or if the director suddenly calls it quits and they have to find another director to helm the show, if there had been a lot of disagreements that have sprung among the main production staff, if the animators went on strike...there are a lot of reasons why budget could be a budget issue, as something could happen that would put the entire project out of whack and so they have to otherwise redo or in some cases, can the show if it became worse. As you have already mentioned, television format is quite limited, that is why the need for an intensive "justification" of their budget, and try to incorporate it in everything about the show. Western live action shows also share this same problem as well. Someone or something could actually throw a monkey wrench into their plans and also put the entire show in jeopardy. If something had to change in one aspect of the show, let's say, the props division wanted to create a new outfit for the heroes, or if the head writer of the show decides to shaft a character for instance, it would set off a chain reaction. They are or can be compartmentalized, but if something does go wrong in one aspect, it also affects what happens to the others. There have been quite a few sudden character changes (actors suddenly disappearing because of some breach of contract or whatever regarding their projected image), or episode changes (if I heard correctly, Lost had to undergo several episode changes because almost all of Lost fan fictions have taken most of the plots or what if scenarios...or maybe it is just a rumor). So yes, what essentially happens in the course of a carefully constructed show could also be subject to such tumultuous changes. In the case of Trinity Blood for example, the author, Sunao Yoshida, suddenly passed away, and the story isn't completed yet, but the mangaka THORES Shibamoto was asked to continue it, or so I have heard. I am not sure if it has already finished, as the first 24 episodes of Trinity Blood left me hanging. Second season? Probably. But in this case, the story could prove to be different, and the resulting story might put Trinity Blood fans off. So if the author of the story dies, others would be asked to continue it, and puts unnecessary risk on the entire production itself, as well as the budget if it could (like the question of the author intending to have this spectacular scene in the story for instance, central to the plot, in his own vision, but if another continues it, it could be changed, allowed as is, or whatever). But as we all know in anime, the translated work into anime still has its own faults in regards to its improvements over the manga storyline, so there.
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Okay so you are telling me that it's impossible to split an hour long episode into 6 acts and have 6 separate teams working on each with some general guidance from an overall rough sketchboard? Details such as the gundam model, the uniforms, the design of space stations, etc should be all done before the production cycles have even started. As far as the quality of worksmanship again isn't that an issue of the budget available since with more money you can hire more high-caliber artists who are all equally creative. |
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