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Shii · 2004-01-06, 18:16

Second time's a charm. (Sorry, mods.)

Remember, this poll is completely anonymous.

BME · 2004-01-06, 18:29

If Osaka means Osaka from Azumanga Daioh I agree 100%

corp20 · 2004-01-06, 18:30

Ethics? What are these ethics you speak of?
I usually try to buy official anime..... you know when I have the money.
And as for Hong Kong Bootlegs I only bought one. I don't like it that much since the timing to the video and the audio was off a little.

Shii · 2004-01-06, 18:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by BME

If Osaka means Osaka from Azumanga Daioh I agree 100%

It does, good sir

BME · 2004-01-06, 18:32

I find it funny that DVD-Rips is what eventually is going to kill HK-bootlegs :P

Kamui4356 · 2004-01-06, 18:58

I'll download anything, licensed or not. If I really like a series I'll buy the dvd, but I still keep the fansubs for it. I will not buy any bootleg dvds however. I refuse to give money to people bootleging anime, but I will download a licensed series for free. As long as no one's trying to make a profit from it, I'm fine with it.
And Osaka owns all!

LiQuid|J · 2004-01-06, 19:02

Anonymous... Ok.

About the only thing I don't do is buy Bootlegs. I download liscensed anime, DVD rips, whatever. Because there is 0% chance of myself ever being able to start even a pitiful DVD anime collection, I collect CD-R's instead. I own exactly 0 anime DVD's and that's the way its going to stay, unless by some miracle I become white collar, start making actual money, and am able to tend to other financial things in my life comfortably first.

Lambda · 2004-01-06, 19:11

I try to make sure that downloading affects my buying habits as little as possible (ideally doesn't affect them at all) except for providing information as to how much I'll like something. So when considering when to buy something, the question I ask myself is "were I unable to access this anime in any other way, knowing what I do about its enjoyability, would I consider it worth the money?" It's perhaps not perfect, I'm sure these things have some effect, but I'm pretty confident in my ability to make such judgements reasonably fairly, so I don't think it's far off.

But generally I'll download and keep anything. I also keep fansubs/DVD-rips even when I buy the DVDs, it's always good to have a backup, and sometimes fansubs can even be better than the DVDs in some ways (or at least aimed at me as a (fairly) hardcore fan, rather than the general populace.)

FinFangFoom · 2004-01-06, 19:11

I usually rent and record HK dvd's on to vhs if the quality is good. Or if I really like it I'll buy a bootlege of the HK bootlege. If I ever get a dvd burner I'm sure i'll end up renting and copying legal versions of licensed dvd's if I can't find them for download. But I do also buy licensed DVD's if I really like them and know I'll watch them every few years. For example, my next DVD purchase will be Spirited away, even though I can get a high quality dvd bootlege for cheap, I want a licensed copy.

Ballz · 2004-01-06, 19:25

The only time you'll catch me downloading licensed anime is if I'm curious about a show and want to see an episode or two before I buy it on dvd.

I'm so righteous.

Shift_ · 2004-01-06, 19:41

I don't have too much money to keep buying anime DVDs, so I only buy DVDs of my VERY fav series...

7thMethuselah · 2004-01-06, 20:00

Buy the shows you really like, NEVER buy bootlegs (because that's just a bunch of people making money on someone else's work), this is what i consider an honorable thing to do.

Oh and if a show gets licensed in an impossible place for me to get the DVD (like north korea or something

)I'll dl it. But off course this almost never happens ...

ugupoo · 2004-01-06, 20:05

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Originally Posted by Shift_

I don't have too much money to keep buying anime DVDs, so I only buy DVDs of my VERY fav series...

Hehe, that's so " typical Shift_ "

Always such a good boy. As for me, I don't buy anime sorry. *awaits the lynching* But I do buy Japanese movie dvds , Asian pop dvds, and such.. Does that count?

Shii · 2004-01-06, 20:27

No, buying other DVDs doesn't exempt you from the moral baggage of watching anime fansubs rather than buying their DVDs.

Keen · 2004-01-06, 22:24

You know the generally accepted fansub download/distribution ethics? I follow those, except that instead of licensing as being the time to stop, the release of the first DVD in the US is the time to stop. The announcement of licenses is too arbitrary AFAIC, so I chose a more practical deadline.

edit: Oh right, I of course buy the DVD's of the good series I watch. It's roughly equivalent of living in Japan, kinda. Watch it on TV, then buy the DVD's if I liked it.

boneyjellyfish · 2004-01-06, 22:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keen

You know the generally accepted fansub download/distribution ethics? I follow those, except that instead of licensing as being the time to stop, the release of the first DVD in the US is the time to stop. The announcement of licenses is too arbitrary AFAIC, so I chose a more practical deadline.

edit: Oh right, I of course buy the DVD's of the good series I watch. It's roughly equivalent of living in Japan, kinda. Watch it on TV, then buy the DVD's if I liked it.

That's what I do. When the DVDs come out, I wipe my hard drive of the episodes and concentrate on DVDs.

Vicious · 2004-01-06, 22:55

I downloaded licensed anime recently, knowing licensed when I did so.
Who doesn't? Only those who don't have the right links

I'm sure anyone who could download any good licensed anime (F.I. ROD TV and Gungrave, which I'm watching currently), they would. And I'm sure the majority of people here do dl licensed anime and manga (such as Naruto, One Piece and Berserk). Just by seeing the people who dl licensed anime are the double of the people who stop dling them if they're licensed gives you the proof.

I usually buy DVDs of an anime that I have watched and loved in fansub form.
But only very few of anime I really love. Here in Brazil there are very few good anime, so we have to import. The dolar is currently 3 times more expensive than the currency here, so the import DVDs are very expensive. I have very few anime DVD here, such as both Rurouni Kenshin OVA, Akira, Metropolis and Cowboy Bebop: Knockin' On Heaven's Door (The Movie). But of course, if I lived in the USA, I'd buy much more anime DVD.

**monir** · 2004-01-06, 23:09

Nice post Vicious. This ethics-poll is lost on me, so I have voted for Osaka always wins. I download whatever I like without giving the "morality concept" a second thought since it is full of holes in both areas of fansubbing licensed and unlicensed anime. I will buy if I like a series very much. That is all to it.

a_nevels666 · 2004-01-07, 07:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by monir

Nice post Vicious. This ethics-poll is lost on me, so I have voted for Osaka always wins. I download whatever I like without giving the "morality concept" a second thought since it is full of holes in both areas of fansubbing licensed and unlicensed anime. I will buy if I like a series very much. That is all to it.

This represents my opinion fairly well.

Oh, and I don't buy Hong Kong DVDs, not because it's illegal, but because they suck. They suck compared to legal DVDs and they suck compared to fansubs. They suck period.

Shii · 2004-01-07, 08:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by a_nevels666

Oh, and I don't buy Hong Kong DVDs, not because it's illegal, but because they suck. They suck compared to legal DVDs and they suck compared to fansubs. They suck period.

Actually, sometimes they use fansub scripts (illegally, of course). But most of the time, not only the translation sucks, but also they are horrible at timing and sometimes the subs are a full ten seconds behind the dialogue.

Quote:

This ethics-poll is lost on me

You tick off the statements that are correct... what's the problem?

View Poll Results: Tick ALL options that you agree with.
I downloaded licensed anime recently, knowing licensed when I did so.	146	69.52%
I have bought a Hong Kong bootleg DVD, knowing it was a bootleg.	28	13.33%
I have downloaded a DVD rip, knowing it came from a DVD that I could have bought instead.	96	45.71%
I feel guilty about having done one of the above things.	30	14.29%
I share fansubs on a filesharing network (Gnutella2, eDonkey, etc.)	65	30.95%
I stop sharing fansubs when I learn the anime is licensed.	39	18.57%
I delete or otherwise destroy fansubs when I learn the anime is licensed.	12	5.71%
I was scammed into buying one or more HK DVDs, but now that I know they're bootlegs I won't buy them any more.	19	9.05%
I usually buy DVDs of an anime that I have watched and loved in fansub form.	115	54.76%
Osaka always wins.	71	33.81%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 210. You may not vote on this poll

2004-01-06, 18:16	Link #1
Shii Afflicted by the vanities Fansubber Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Fish-shape Paumanok Age: 36	General Anime Ethics Poll Second time's a charm. (Sorry, mods.) Remember, this poll is completely anonymous. __________________ Learn to define and spell moé Shii (formerly known as ashibaka)

2004-01-06, 18:29	Link #2
BME Belldandy Fanboy Join Date: May 2003 Location: Stockholm, Sweden, Where Polar bears roam the streets Age: 39	If Osaka means Osaka from Azumanga Daioh I agree 100%

2004-01-06, 18:30	Link #3
corp20 Internet God Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Stop spamming from my closet!!!!! Age: 37	Ethics? What are these ethics you speak of? I usually try to buy official anime..... you know when I have the money. And as for Hong Kong Bootlegs I only bought one. I don't like it that much since the timing to the video and the audio was off a little.

2004-01-06, 18:32	Link #5
BME Belldandy Fanboy Join Date: May 2003 Location: Stockholm, Sweden, Where Polar bears roam the streets Age: 39	I find it funny that DVD-Rips is what eventually is going to kill HK-bootlegs :P

2004-01-06, 18:58	Link #6
Kamui4356 Aria Company Join Date: Nov 2003	I'll download anything, licensed or not. If I really like a series I'll buy the dvd, but I still keep the fansubs for it. I will not buy any bootleg dvds however. I refuse to give money to people bootleging anime, but I will download a licensed series for free. As long as no one's trying to make a profit from it, I'm fine with it. And Osaka owns all!

2004-01-06, 19:02	Link #7
LiQuid\|J Pantsu Faito! Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: GTO = Best anime. Ever. Thanks. Age: 43	Anonymous... Ok. About the only thing I don't do is buy Bootlegs. I download liscensed anime, DVD rips, whatever. Because there is 0% chance of myself ever being able to start even a pitiful DVD anime collection, I collect CD-R's instead. I own exactly 0 anime DVD's and that's the way its going to stay, unless by some miracle I become white collar, start making actual money, and am able to tend to other financial things in my life comfortably first.

2004-01-06, 19:11	Link #8
Lambda Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Age: 44	I try to make sure that downloading affects my buying habits as little as possible (ideally doesn't affect them at all) except for providing information as to how much I'll like something. So when considering when to buy something, the question I ask myself is "were I unable to access this anime in any other way, knowing what I do about its enjoyability, would I consider it worth the money?" It's perhaps not perfect, I'm sure these things have some effect, but I'm pretty confident in my ability to make such judgements reasonably fairly, so I don't think it's far off. But generally I'll download and keep anything. I also keep fansubs/DVD-rips even when I buy the DVDs, it's always good to have a backup, and sometimes fansubs can even be better than the DVDs in some ways (or at least aimed at me as a (fairly) hardcore fan, rather than the general populace.)

2004-01-06, 19:25	Link #10
Ballz <3 Boogiepop Join Date: Dec 2003 Age: 43	The only time you'll catch me downloading licensed anime is if I'm curious about a show and want to see an episode or two before I buy it on dvd. I'm so righteous.

2004-01-06, 19:41	Link #11
Shift_ Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Down Under	I don't have too much money to keep buying anime DVDs, so I only buy DVDs of my VERY fav series...

2004-01-06, 20:00	Link #12
7thMethuselah Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Antwerp area, Belgium, Europa Age: 48	Buy the shows you really like, NEVER buy bootlegs (because that's just a bunch of people making money on someone else's work), this is what i consider an honorable thing to do. Oh and if a show gets licensed in an impossible place for me to get the DVD (like north korea or something )I'll dl it. But off course this almost never happens ...

2004-01-06, 20:27	Link #14
Shii Afflicted by the vanities Fansubber Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Fish-shape Paumanok Age: 36	No, buying other DVDs doesn't exempt you from the moral baggage of watching anime fansubs rather than buying their DVDs.

2004-01-06, 22:24	Link #15
Keen Member Join Date: Mar 2003	You know the generally accepted fansub download/distribution ethics? I follow those, except that instead of licensing as being the time to stop, the release of the first DVD in the US is the time to stop. The announcement of licenses is too arbitrary AFAIC, so I chose a more practical deadline. edit: Oh right, I of course buy the DVD's of the good series I watch. It's roughly equivalent of living in Japan, kinda. Watch it on TV, then buy the DVD's if I liked it.

2004-01-06, 22:55	Link #17
Vicious merely a ghost Join Date: Jan 2003 Age: 36	I downloaded licensed anime recently, knowing licensed when I did so. Who doesn't? Only those who don't have the right links I'm sure anyone who could download any good licensed anime (F.I. ROD TV and Gungrave, which I'm watching currently), they would. And I'm sure the majority of people here do dl licensed anime and manga (such as Naruto, One Piece and Berserk). Just by seeing the people who dl licensed anime are the double of the people who stop dling them if they're licensed gives you the proof. I usually buy DVDs of an anime that I have watched and loved in fansub form. But only very few of anime I really love. Here in Brazil there are very few good anime, so we have to import. The dolar is currently 3 times more expensive than the currency here, so the import DVDs are very expensive. I have very few anime DVD here, such as both Rurouni Kenshin OVA, Akira, Metropolis and Cowboy Bebop: Knockin' On Heaven's Door (The Movie). But of course, if I lived in the USA, I'd buy much more anime DVD.