2012-11-11, 13:59 | Link #3101 | |
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While I don't put any more stock than you do in the wisdom of the 58 millions who voted for him, I wouldn't rely on the people all over the world who got polled either. |
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2012-11-11, 14:02 | Link #3102 |
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The difference is that none of those people live here. Reality is that people here that voted Romney either want the Republican policies, or just don't want the Democratic policies and can't find a credible third party to vote for instead.
Not everyone believes in welfare. Not everyone has the interests of society as number one. Many of them are just trying to survive themselves and resent being taxed for somethat they believe does them no good. They do not, or will not use government programs if they can avoid it, because they don't believe in them, or they would rather follow the older ideology that everyone should take care of themselves and their family. They don't want government in their lives at all, which to them is what the Democratic Party represents since the New Deal in the 1930s. The hard stance against taxes is mostly these people, which is another reason they are for the Republican Party. And that's before we get to those that have even more slanted views of the parties via the propaganda that brings the "Socialism is Communism", and the "destruction of the Constitution", or the "degrading of morality and society" that comes from the mostly sane but more traditionally minded "Baby Boomers" and the remains of the "Greatest Generation". Especially those that didn't like FDR or Truman.
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2012-11-11, 14:08 | Link #3104 | ||
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What is the reason for Obama's support by foreigners? The GOP's official excuse is that everyone else wants a weaker America. That allies like England, Australia, and Germany secretly want the Doom of the US and thus want Obama to win. We have more at stake than Americans do. We foreigners have no voting rights. If America declares WW3 and wants to nuke the planet, the rest of us can do nothing but watch the mushroom cloud. We NEED a sane president because we can't do anything if the POTUS is insane. Please don't say we have nothing at stake. Quote:
And Romney lost because HE didn't offer a credible party to vote for. And most people don't even know what Republican policies were going to be under Romney. So if GOP voters vote Romney despite big government and fiscal irresponsibility, what does that say about their mental aptitude? "They cannot all be stupid" needs evidence backing it.
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2012-11-11, 14:15 | Link #3106 | |
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OTOH, our interest for their domestic policies is mostly academic. The Americans are the ones who have to live with them. |
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2012-11-11, 14:18 | Link #3107 | ||
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Both sides are just as disingenuous. No one side has the "facts" on their side, and more often than not both sides have varying levels of "facts" to support their ideas.
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And, these were only brief examples. I could go through the whole litany of real issues (non-social issues) that differentiate the parties, but I'm sure we all know those issues already. Again, I never claimed that people vote for specific candidates, or even really parties. Rather, I specifically emphasized ideas as being a strong contender for why people may vote republican or not. |
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2012-11-11, 14:18 | Link #3108 | |
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Actually, that's EXACTLY what American Health Care did before Obamacare. Get customers to pay you money every month/year for health insurance, and once they get sick kick them out for pre-exiting conditions. You get all their money that you were going to earn, and then they can go die in a ditch because they had the gall to ask for their money back. Customers die, Health Insurance gets rich. Win Win. The wonderful invisible hand of the free market. It takes, but it never giveth.
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2012-11-11, 14:24 | Link #3109 | |||
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Of course, this applies to the nations surveyed in that poll, you can bet they're thinking about how it'll effect themselves, not the US. Quote:
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2012-11-11, 14:30 | Link #3110 | |
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You can't tell that this is intentional?
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2012-11-11, 14:39 | Link #3111 | |
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and did you ever consider that maybe he knows someone who voted for GOP that is also intelligent? (very likely quite a few people). You can argue the semantics, but if you have to bet your life on it, are you gonna go for all GOP voters are stupid or not all GOP voters are stupid? |
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2012-11-11, 14:42 | Link #3112 |
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Over 58 million people voted for Ronmey. Each for there own reasons. Some sane, some not sane. The same can be said about the nearly 62 million that voted for Obama. They have their own reasons. Some sane, some not so sane.
Of those roughly 120 millon people, how many are hard liners that only vote for the party? How many are moderates that have key issues that make them side one way or another? How many don't give a damn what the rest of the world thinks of us or our own foreign policy? How many are only concerned about how the US Government effects them either economocally or socially? You might find that the major issues between the parties here were domestic in nature. Very little of how people voted were about foreign policy outside the of issues about the safety of our soldiers. The safety of any other country was a non-issue to likely the majority of the American voters. Many of whom might never see another state, much less another country. I know people that have never left Long Island if that means anything. (As a note, I am not one of those 120 million. I voted third party because I am tired of both parties).
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2012-11-11, 14:43 | Link #3113 | |
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In the end it is wishful thinking to say our interest is academic, we are interested since it does affect us and sometimes who becomes potus affects us more than the effect it has on some US citizens. But this is not an anti-usa ramble, as china raises as an economic power I will probably start saying the same about them. |
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2012-11-11, 14:57 | Link #3114 | |
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If you want to say the GOP got millions of voters, that is true. But if you are going to say the GOP can't be wrong because the millions of voters can't be stupid, then you got another thing coming. I did not want to go there. But I didn't throw the first stone.
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2012-11-11, 15:21 | Link #3115 | |
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Here, we don't produce a lot of drugs, we don't see the US as the promised land, and we've got our own farm subsidies. |
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2012-11-11, 15:27 | Link #3116 | |
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As far as I can see, you took his post one way, and ran all the way to the extreme with it. Debating the specific policies is great and is what most of us are here in this thread for, sweeping generalization of half of the US population is not how you do it. |
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2012-11-11, 15:28 | Link #3117 | |
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Mind you it also mean that some must also be stupid, as if not all are stupid, some therefore must be stupid. We have seen some of them because they tend to make the news. Those that are not as stupid tend to not be news worthy (as crazy sells air time). The old "silent majority" from the late 60s and early 70s may not be a majority anymore...but they still exist. Basically, if the idea is that the Republican Party needs to die off, than you still have to convince those 58 million people to vote for something else. Or at least a large potion of them to vote for an alternative and let the hard liners continue to vote Republican as it becomes the third party of "them crazy Bible thumpers" or something.
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2012-11-11, 16:25 | Link #3119 |
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Our drugs don't transit by the US, neither do our immigrants, and we don't give a good goddamn about Mexican farms. Why should we?
The bottom line is while the US' foreign policy (and I count its stances on international trade and finance in that) does matter to us, the impact of what they do within their borders is much more marginal unless we're executives in a big multinational company, which is a tiny fraction of our population. Once in a while, the US leaves a big mark on the world economy. Like in the 2008 subprime crisis. But for matters like that... are we really supposed to care who's in the White House? |
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Are you seriously implying that illegal drugs travel up to the USA border and then somehow teleport into the USA potheads hands?
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