2013-04-23, 11:10 | Link #41 |
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I for one, liked Angel Beat's ending. ._.
I didn't like the climax with Yuri confronting who was behind the....whatever it was. I forget. But I thought everything from the graduation ceremony and onwards was very well-done and I cried not just because it was sad but touching in a hopeful sort of way. It's easy for an anime to make you cry because you are sad. When an anime can make you cry because you are happy, I feel that's the mark of something pretty damn amazing.
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2013-04-23, 11:24 | Link #42 |
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Angel Beats!' writing on the ending leaves inconsistencies in the story but the conclusion itself up to the epilogue makes sense in the show's context.
Ending wise: Air TV >= Angel Beats! > Clannad After Story. Kanon (2006) isn't listed here because the way it's structured could make any arc the ending.
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2013-04-23, 13:42 | Link #43 |
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I felt the conclusion for episode 10 of Angel Beats was way more coherent as an ending by any method-- 13 felt like the same thing but more forced. If it had ended there stuff would have been way more ambiguous, but the note would have been higher.
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2013-04-30, 11:55 | Link #45 |
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Man, one thing I really have to credit Kyoani with is the character designs. Come to think about it, while the Toei designs were terribad, they really didn't have much to work with. For one thing, the Kyoani counterparts look far less anorexic.
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I think it's pretty clear that Key and Jun Maeda needs to take some writing lessons, or at the least when it comes to writing TV animes. Or just stick to writing VNs and not making original TV animess. They admitted they screwed up Angel Beats and unless I'm totally out of mind they are making the exact same mistakes in Charlotte without fixing the mistakes they admitted to 5 years ago. You make a mistake, that's fine it's human to make mistakes... but you don't go into a public interview admit that you screwed up XYZ and say you will fix them... then make the exact same mistake again. And this is not even getting to the whole formula of moe girls and silly school antics first half --> actual stuff happening in the 2nd half, which is getting frankly very tiresome, though I'll admit that's a subjective personal preference.
Also as a sidenote, I hope PA Works never teams up with Key again because outside from the outlier that is Glasslip (which is 100% PA works fault) Angel Beats and Charlotte are definitely their worst 2 series. Now that I think about it, it's probably a good thing Kyoani stopped teaming up with Key because I doubt even if they did it, Angel Beats and Charlotte would be salvageable. At this point I'll easily take Kyoani's mediocre in-house LN adaptations of their own source material than whatever Charlotte and Angel Beat's mess is. At the very least, maybe it's time for Key to stop producing original anime, but revert to only adapting existing ones (like Rewrite) and most importantly to give it a proper episode treatment (none of this 1 cour crap because it's clearly not working...). Last edited by Pocari_Sweat; 2015-09-13 at 04:39. |
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It's like the Mega Man X7 in comparison to X6 I fear, and if you don't understand that, then that's probably for the better. But in short, a successor that only exists to make the former look better. What is true is that people need to realize VNs are fundamentally enjoyed in a different way than anime and some stuff doesn't translate over. It's like if you made an anime of an RPG and you depict level grinding for several episodes. Why would anyone watch that? And it's that kind of cynical approach that truly pisses me off. They've basically created 2 anime just off a name and a brand. Ideas? Thoughts? Development? Storytelling? Nah, fuck that. We got a big name; it's gotta be something, and let's just pick idols or bands or some dumb shit and pretend that's an excuse for a story and sell records and shit. You just end up with shit like Aldnoah where you are really just a vehicle to produce various names. Might as well just have Sawano copy and paste his Unicorn reject soundtracks, increase the pitch, add more voice samples, and have it play backwards. Then just stick it in to Charlotte as an OST whether or not it fits scenes or not.
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The point that is that sure, all of the anime thus far does go with the dumb shit ---> melodrama ---> heart moment ---> random conclusion to some degree. Except this is missing the forest for the trees, and why Angel Beats (and probably Charlotte) fails It wasn't just "hey people are acted retarded hurrr" for dozens of episodes There is usually an undercurrent of foreshadowing of what's really going on underneath during these moments. They don't just toss it out for the fuck of it. For example, in AIR, you are quickly introduced to the idea of the supernatural, and it's not like the show was subtle that something overly dramatic was happening. Kanon and Little Busters put forth that the world was not what it seemed early on too. The former actaully has a lot of foreshadowing all over the place. Clannad... well honestly I don't know what the fuck they were doing with it, but even that opened with a dramatically (ineffective) arc too. And so that's the problem with Angel Beats. It takes the surface level of humor and antics but it's not really for a purpose. The reveals are all pretty asinine and don't even amount to anything anyways. Think about how many plot twists it had that basically shat on any and all attempts to figure out what was going on. And then the ending to shit on it again. That reminds me of another anime that did this-- Another! Stuff happens, and it's not even interesting. So in the end you only had the gags themselves, which I actually found amusing enough, but that's it. Length does nothing to solve any of this. Quote:
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But in reality, I don't think that's usually the case. Funny you bring up Hisaya previously. I think Sola seems like more at home as a "PA Works + Key" work than the two that actually exist, even though neither was involved. Must be those sharp chins.
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Luckly all that's a moot point when Refrain walked in. That second season was excellently executed and it kept me mostly guessing at what the hell was going on right till the end. But most importantly it actually took the time to explain what the hell was going on unlike what KyoAni did for Clannad. It's really not an easy story to translate to the small screen since it uses so well the reset mechanic inherent to Visual Novels but I think they managed to nail the ending even if the beginning didn't really hint at what was happening enough until the latter end of the season. If they had managed to slip in some extra foreshadowing to the first two arcs of the first season it would probably get top marks. It doesn't help that the Komari arc hits so damn hard with the melodrama at times that it stops being endearing and starts being just laughable. That was mostly what made me stall the show for a while. Also, with all due respect to the voice acting by Horie Yui, I don't think I can hear the word Narcolepsy again without punching something. The word is so incredibly overused that it really becomes grating. I also feel that Riki's voice didn't really start to work into way latter in the series and I still feel like casting Horie Yui-san wasn't the best of choices (despite the fact that I'm a massive fan of her work most of the time). So yeah, the Little Busters anime won't factor into my top 10 list anytime soon because it's still JC Staff with their muted colours and mostly "meh" presentation but it's still a much more solid effort than it looked like it would turn out to be at first glance. I would say that it's a solid watch for those who liked Maeda's stories before if you can trudge through a weak opening act.
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I'd like to call it Jay Leno: The Anime. Except I think that wouldn't be fair to Jay Leno.
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I usually didn't mind "bestseller teamups" before Charlotte happened. Some of the anime I watched is picked up due to some link with the people involved, and my assessment of the shows are based on the series, although some comparison is inevitable. That said, holy shit. Can't agree with you more Pocari on Maeda needing some more time taking seminars on how to write a story for anime.
Angel Beats was my first Key anime, at a time where I only know of Key as a VN circle that produces some potent tearjerkers, and I thought that Maeda did great in Angel Beats for someone who had to prune his story to fit a one-cour schedule... Well, until Charlotte came like a stone to shatter my expectations. And worse, it now made me cautious of any other "bestseller teamups" that are about to be made or are already making works after previous successes like Oreimo's Tsukasa Fushimi and Hiro Kanzaki in Eromanga-sensei, Shakugan no Shana's Yashichiro Takahashi and Noizi Itou in Kanae no Hoshi, Haganai's Yomi Hirasaka and Hentai Ouji's Kantoku in Imouto wa Sae Ireba Ii, along with a bunch of other similar works that might have just existed because they are treated like cows to milk anew. I could go fall back on judging anime based on its own merits anytime. However, it doesn't change the fact that I'm totally disillusioned by Maeda's prowess as a writer. Quote:
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I recently caught up on Charlotte, and I have to say that I disagree with the level of criticism its receiving here on Anime Suki.
The show has some issues, to be sure, but I do think it's superior to Angel Beats. Charlotte's narrative focus feels tighter to me than AB's did, and I also find Charlotte's fictional setting more interesting than AB's. Charlotte has also become an excellent page-turner anime for me, its 2nd half especially. Its 2nd half does a pretty good job of keeping me on the edge of my seat, and greatly anticipating just where the show will go next. For the most part, Charlotte hasn't been predictable to me. It goes certain places at certain times in ways that are often surprising to me, especially from the end of Episode 6 on. However, some of this is due to how Charlotte appeals to the comic book fan in me. Its story has come to remind me a lot of X-Men comics that I read as a kid.
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