2013-02-03, 18:05 | Link #381 | |
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Then again, considering how much more experienced he is, it was a lot closer than it should have been in the first place. |
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2013-02-03, 18:09 | Link #382 | |
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I agree with Kirarakim, he needs self confidence, he has to believe in himself. But it's not a matter of real skills or talent. I mean, Taichi's path, as Taichi and Karuta relationship, is not the same as Chihaya and Arata. Honestly I think that Taichi will never win against Chihaya. And don't even start talking about his nemesis, Arata. If we talk about Taichi it is always about his inner development/personal growth and less about the game. But even strictly game wise, luck is important as a catalyst for regaining or smashing your self-confidence. If having self-confidence is not a major factor in the long run, the lack of it could make you lose against everyone. So luck surely would let him play at his best, whatever his best is. On the other hand I would say that self-confidence is directly proportional to your skills, usually. But talking about Taichi it is understandable he is not, let alone his skills
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2013-02-03, 18:15 | Link #383 |
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I wouldn't assume that much about Taichi's skills and talents. The problem with his lack of confidence is that it undermines his talent. It doesn't mean he lacks talent. All the opposite, he might end up being even stronger than Arata and Chihaya if he manage to keep a tight rein on his psychological weakness and unleash his full potential.
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2013-02-03, 18:19 | Link #384 | |
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I actually don't necessarily agree that Taichi isn't on the same path as Chihaya & Arata, although he might not be there just yet. I even said today that my perfect ending would be a Taichi VS Arata Meijin finale with the loser ending up with Chihaya. Of course that's just my wishful thinking where all 3 of them end up with some personal fulfillment in the end (it admittedly doesn't take into account other characters that are involved).
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2013-02-03, 18:43 | Link #385 | |||
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I know that everything could still happen, but from what I got til now from the show, I can't see that happen. But probably, thinking again, you are both right, it's just that I wouldn't find it fitting with Taichi's development as a Karuta player. Counting even that every talented player has been a young one and not a late one, mixing it with Taichi's whole development... I don't know, it would be OOC somehow. Wouldn't it feel a bit shounen-like? Quote:
But for now I think that whatever taichi gains will be from his personal growth. And nothing more. That sounds really oddly sad, because in real world it would be the best win, but since we are in the Karuta world ...
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2013-02-03, 18:56 | Link #386 | |
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But wouldn't a final match between Arata/Taichi be poetic with Chihaya playing in the queen match. I think that would actually bring everything full circle, having the 3 of them playing Karuta together. I think ultimately we expect Chihaya to win her queen match in the end. It's more about the journey getting there. But an Arata/Taichi match where we don't know who will win would be such a great match. Obviously Taichi has to get stronger then he is now to play with confidence against Arata, but I think he can before the end. Also I think Arata would truly love a game against a strong Taichi more than anything. We've seen friends play against each other, but I think that would be a really special match with them both giving their all to the game. That would be my perfect ending. And I only say I want Chihaya to end up with the loser not because I see her as a consolation prize but it would lead to some happiness & fulfillment for everyone.
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2013-02-03, 19:09 | Link #387 | |
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Let's just wait and see.
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2013-02-03, 19:19 | Link #389 |
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The refrains of "oh, what terrible luck" in this episode certainly came across as strangely hollow. Bad luck happens to everybody, it's simply part of the landscape of the game. Even if an observation 'that player had terrible luck' was true, there would be no reason to begin pitying or making excuses for them; rather, the point of playing such luck-based games in the first place should be to become strong enough to overcome even such situations.
Taichi's problem was not bad luck, but rather how he reacted to unlucky situations. If, as Dr. Harada said, Taichi allowed one or two little instances of bad luck to convince himself that he had no talent, it would be his self-defeating attitude which kept him from winning. Accepting that luck exists as an influential factor is part of the learning process of games like karuta (and mahjong, haha), versus games of deterministic progression/perfect knowledge like go or chess. Maintaining the optimism and determination to keep trying despite unfavourable circumstances is thus one of the most important things you could learn by becoming better at them. |
2013-02-03, 19:30 | Link #391 | ||
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About the perfect ending and who ends up with who, I have a slightly different reason, not for consolation prize nor for a happy ending, but because that would mean that a MC doesn't have to win to be loved, since love is not a race. Quote:
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2013-02-03, 20:01 | Link #392 | |
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Arata also has played and loved the game since he was a small child & and he was inspired by his grandfather. All of this makes him very powerful. That being said we know Arata can lose as he has lost since the flash forward. He's certainly not unbeatable. I think our strongest impression of Arata is when we saw him play as a child. This was through Chihaya's eyes a complete beginner so in that sense Arata's skills were even more amazing. Even to most of us who knew nothing about Karutra, Arata's skills will be enhanced in this situation. Although that being said I don't think it matters whether Chihaya, Arata, or Taichi are stronger. Can't they all be strong in different ways? And perhaps you can lose one game against an opponent but play again and win.
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2013-02-03, 20:06 | Link #393 |
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The thing about Arata, I think, is that while he's a strong player, he's not as strong a player as he would have been had he not had several years out of the game due to feeling guilty after his grandfather died when he was away at a match. I think he still has to build up to as high a level as he should have been.
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2013-02-03, 20:17 | Link #394 | |
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2013-02-03, 21:06 | Link #395 |
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That can be true in the short-run, but over a longer span of contests those kind of probabilistic variations average out. In a single-elimination event like these karuta matches, a player might be advantaged by a string of "lucky" outcomes and win. In athletic competitions where one-and-done is the rule (tennis, college basketball, etc.), the more talented team also does not always win. Statisticians who have looked at baseball believe that even a seven-game World Series is too short to identify the "correct" winner when the competitors are closely matched. Professional card players do not rely on "luck," either. Over a career of many thousands of hands, the probabilities even out leaving skill as the true determinant of success.
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2013-02-03, 22:57 | Link #398 |
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That's the ultimate sign of Taichi's player potential: wiping your sweat with women's panties!
It can be easy to get jealous of Taichi's superficial popularity with women (as demonstrated by the guys in the room) until you realize just how meaningless that "gift" is to him. Taichi has Chihaya on the brain 24/7. That's why his remarks to Sumire in the season's debut is so admirable. He is following his heart; the girl he loves means more than the dozens of fan-girls he could take advantage of. And trust me, there are plenty of guys in his situation who would be messing around in loveless relationships just because they can. Taichi has taken the harder route of pursuing a dense girl like Chihaya, despite all the odds against him. Truly admirable. Last edited by sikvod00; 2013-02-03 at 23:16. |
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(Yes, I know about the vending machines. That's hardly equivalent, though.)
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2013-02-04, 02:11 | Link #400 | |
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Wait a minute! Aren't we off-topic! It is typical for girls having handkerchief with them. It is just showing Taichi's attractiveness, but he chooses Chihaya. About Arata's cell phone, it doesn't seem the staffs care to explain about it. Maybe it will attract viewers to buy manga. The manga has a quick and clear explanation.
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