The Genderbending of Haruhi Suzumiya [Spoilers Aplenty]

[besieger]

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

I'm going to Anime Evolution in Vancouver next summer, so I'll look into that.

It SUCKED this year. Absolutely NOTHING is there.

[Tyabann]

Originally Posted by Aebliss

"Come! Join with me and let us rebuild the world in our image together!"

I like this one.

Originally Posted by Jintor

Where do I fit into this pretty picture? : <

And the phrase should be,

"Normal humans don't interest me at all! If anybody here is a time traveller, an alien, or an esper, then come - join me! Help me shape... the world! That is all."

I hate using the word 'esper' - 'psychic' is a much better word - but you Yanks all use it, so I'll bow to your will on this matter. I'll still think 'psychic' though.

And remember, Discreet - somebody else is editing you. *wink*

Aren't you still too busy with school? Also, yours isn't bad either.

Originally Posted by Arceon

Well, while I do agree that psychic may be a better word. . .it really doesn't apply to this case since. . .

Well, actually, Koizumi isn't REALLY an Esper by any definitions of the word. . .then again he/she could be since he/she always responds to Kyon's supposed thoughts. . .but I never could figure out if it was just a case of Unreliable Narrator or not. . .

Kyon is actually saying those things... he just forgets to put quotations around most of his sentences.

Koizumi isn't a psychic by any definition of the word, either... I think that "esper" fits a lot better...

Originally Posted by Cat Megex

Actually, if I'm not mistaken, "slider" came from the show "Sliders", which was about traveling between realities.

EDIT: Also, I just realized another possible voice actress for Itsuko (checked to see if she was included in some previous lists of potential voice actors, but didn't spot her name): Sayaka Ohara.

In particular, the voice she used for Hatsune Arisaka (from Tonagura!) is almost exactly how I would think Itsuko would sound. The voice is similar to Kikuko Inoue's voice, but it's different enough to work as an alternate possibility (in my opinion, at least).

Wait, wait, you want Milly Ashford as Itsuko...?

AWESOME.

And yes, the term "sliders" comes from the TV show. The manga translators used "off-worlders", which doesn't have QUITE the same ring to it...

Originally Posted by otai

What's wrong with Haruhi's original line? Oh well, I'm game:

"If there are any aliens, time travelers, sliders or espers; heed my call, join me. The power of Haruki compels you! Alae iacta est! Vedi veni vici!"

Esper is the english loanword for psychic to the japanese, along with other words like "skinship"; that the english speaking world doesn't actually use. Watch the introduction narration of the last episode in the broadcast order, where Kyon refers to Koizumi and the organization as "shounen esper sentai"

Which is the only time they're referred to as "espers" in the whole show. The actual translation is "those who were given paranormal abilities" most of the time.

I have no idea what "isakajin", which is the actual word for "sliders", means...

For that matter, if we were actually directly translating "chuujin" and "miraijin", we'd end up with "space person" and "future men", so why not just accept "esper"?

Originally Posted by besieger

It SUCKED this year. Absolutely NOTHING is there.

Maybe it'll be better next year.

[Sute443]

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

I have no idea what "isakajin", which is the actual word for "sliders", means...

Are you sure it isn't "besekaijin" which would mean "another-world person"? I've run "isakajin" through two different dictionaries in all the variations I could think of and got nothing.

[Tyabann]

Originally Posted by Sute443

Are you sure it isn't "besekaijin" which would mean "another-world person"? I've run "isakajin" through two different dictionaries in all the variations I could think of and got nothing.

I dun know Japanese.

That's probably it then. Yes, that is what it means.

So yeah, point is made. We use our terms because the original japanese sounds stupid in english.

[dkellis]

The word I believe Haruhi uses is "chounoryokusha" (I could be romanizing it incorrectly), which translates into "super ability user". In Japanese pop culture, this is synonymous with the loanword "ESPer" (or "esper" or however you want to capitalize it).

When the US promo videos for the R1 MoHS release first came out, they used the word "psychic". By the second video, they were using "ESPer", apparently due to fan feedback. I mention this to (neutrally) point out that some people seem to feel strongly about this.

I forgot what word Haruhi uses for "sliders", but I think it's probably "besekaijin" (again, possibly incorrect romanization), judging from my (Japanese) copy of that Newtype special from way back when. Translates to "different world person", and since "people from another world/dimension" is unwieldy, I can't think of anything better than "slider".

[Tyabann]

Originally Posted by dkellis

The word I believe Haruhi uses is "chounoryokusha" (I could be romanizing it incorrectly), which translates into "super ability user". In Japanese pop culture, this is synonymous with the loanword "ESPer" (or "esper" or however you want to capitalize it).

When the US promo videos for the R1 MoHS release first came out, they used the word "psychic". By the second video, they were using "ESPer", apparently due to fan feedback. I mention this to (neutrally) point out that some people seem to feel strongly about this.

I forgot what word Haruhi uses for "sliders", but I think it's probably "besekaijin" (again, possibly incorrect romanization), judging from my (Japanese) copy of that Newtype special from way back when. Translates to "different world person", and since "people from another world/dimension" is unwieldy, I can't think of anything better than "slider".

Thank you very much.

I also notice the dub didn't even touch the "slider" issue, probably due to copyright infringement. Wonder how the novels will handle this, given the (possible) importance of sliders later.

[DannyCat]

Originally Posted by dkellis

The word I believe Haruhi uses is "chounoryokusha" (I could be romanizing it incorrectly), which translates into "super ability user". In Japanese pop culture, this is synonymous with the loanword "ESPer" (or "esper" or however you want to capitalize it).

When the US promo videos for the R1 MoHS release first came out, they used the word "psychic". By the second video, they were using "ESPer", apparently due to fan feedback. I mention this to (neutrally) point out that some people seem to feel strongly about this.

I forgot what word Haruhi uses for "sliders", but I think it's probably "besekaijin" (again, possibly incorrect romanization), judging from my (Japanese) copy of that Newtype special from way back when. Translates to "different world person", and since "people from another world/dimension" is unwieldy, I can't think of anything better than "slider".

異 is い, so 異世界人 is "isekaijin".

[Tyabann]

Originally Posted by DannyCat

異 is い, so 異世界人 is "isekaijin".

I was right? AWESOME.

[dkellis]

I stand (well, sit) corrected. Should have looked it up in the dictionary.

[otai]

I would also like to point out that anime fandom has been using "esper" for a long time. Earliest that I could think of is Kimagure Orange Road.

Other possible translations;

"Chounoryoukusha" - Supermen, metahumans? (with regards to DC comics)

"Isekaijin" - Otherworlder?

[Sute443]

Originally Posted by DannyCat

異 is い, so 異世界人 is "isekaijin".

Lousy unreliable electronic dictionary... It has 異 in the kanji dictionary, but won't actually let it come up anywhere else.

[Jintor]

Of course if I had my way it'd be "Psychonaut", not Esper, so naff.

"Psychic Soldiers! Paranormal Paratroopers! MENTAL MARINES ABOUT TO SHIP OUT ON THE ADVENTURE OF THEIR LIFETIMES!"

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

Originally Posted by Jintor

Of course if I had my way it'd be "Psychonaut", not Esper

Well if we're going to play that game, I'd rather see "Planeswalker" than "Slider"

[Jintor]

I don't see MTG coexisting with Haruhi at all. Whereas I would love to see Suzumiya viewed through a Tim Schafer lense.

It would be WILD.

[C.A.]

Yes esper has been around in japanese anime for a long time. Since the golden age of super robots, Gundam, Reideen and such, espers have been used to describe people with special abilities, not just limited to its original meaning of 'Extra Sensory Perceptioners'.

[bhl88]

lol if there were sliders, Konata would come to Haruhi's world... as a slider XD

[Jintor]

Originally Posted by C.A.

Yes esper has been around in japanese anime for a long time. Since the golden age of super robots, Gundam, Reideen and such, espers have been used to describe people with special abilities, not just limited to its original meaning of 'Extra Sensory Perceptioners'.

Yeah, in Japanese culture. I think it sounds really quite awkward in English.

[Kha]

Originally Posted by bhl88

lol if there were sliders, Konata would come to Haruhi's world... as a slider XD

Nonono... After a certain dating sim, Konata's would be Haruki's Servant Saber.

[Cat Megex]

Originally Posted by Kha

Nonono... After a certain dating sim, Konata's would be Haruki's Servant Saber.

At this point, I'll bet Konata is more looking forward to the planned remake of the first game by the same company (from before the company turned pro).

And by the way, it's not a dating sim. Yes, it has romantic elements (and H-scenes in the PC version), but "action/adventure story" is a much better description (despite being a visual novel and not having actual action gameplay, like in other VNs such as the one with all the animal-eared and -tailed people and the main character having a mask he couldn't remove).

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

Originally Posted by Jintor

I don't see MTG coexisting with Haruhi at all.

Yuki is a Blue Wizard(same for the other interfaces, really) that has the power to remove anything that damages her from the game.
Mikuru is a 1/1 White Citizen with flash and some bizarre way to suspend herself.
Itsuki is a Blue/Red somethingorother with "Threshold - ~ gets +3/+3 and gain flying"
Kyon is a Green Human vanilla creature with flavor text questioning why he doesn't have any abilities.
Haruhi... is a face-down Akroma, Angel of Fury

*e* I'd like to make a correction: Kyon's a 1/3 Green Human (whatever) with the ability to flip red legendary creatures with morph face-down.