2012-11-16, 19:30 | Link #1141 |
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Another possible theory:
Weissman created Shiro as a puppet and possessed him to kill Tatara -> Shiro absorbs Tatara's personality after his death? -> Weissman kicks him off for sheer epic lulz -> Tatara!Shiro loses his memories -> Now HOMRA wants to kill him thinking he killed Tatara. ANGSTANGSTANGST
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2012-11-16, 19:41 | Link #1142 | |
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Why do people want Shiro to be Tatara anyway? Besides, if anything, it's Anna who overlaps with Tatara in the OP, plus, so far she's the only one with psychic powers... and I bet she serves a purpose in the story. |
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2012-11-16, 19:43 | Link #1143 |
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Another thought occurred to me - who's to say that the entire power display was thanks to Neko's illusions? While it's rather clear that Shiro disappearing at the end was thanks to Neko(accompanied with her signature 'nya' and pink aura), there was no hint of Neko's powers at work when Shiro actually manifested that sword and used telepathy to communicate with Kuroh. Every time we've seen Neko use her powers so far, the audience gets a pretty obvious visual and audio cue to indicate it, but nothing of the sort happened during Shiro's confrontation with the blue king.
As others have mentioned, the power surge was a little bit too 'solid' for just an illusion, especially for how long it lasted(the slasher smile cat took only one hit before it disappeared - and that was only from a sword sheath, and not a king's aura). Moreover, Reishi knew about Neko's powers of illusion and could effortlessly dissipate them - even taking into account the surprise factor, there's probably /something/ in that scene that wasn't just purely illusion. Other hints: Shiro specifically didn't bring up the sword display as an example when he praised Neko for being amazing("The sky suddenly cleared up, and all those people appeared!"), despite the fact that it was an impressive display. I could even go as far as to say that he relied on Neko's power to escape precisely because he wants to trick all parties involved(the blue clan, Kuroh, and even us) into believing that the entire display was 'just another of Neko's illusions'...Shiro has been displaying some magnificent bastard tendencies from the very beginning, so I wouldn't put it past him. That also brings up the possibility that Shiro's had supernatural powers all along, but never saw it in the context of the whole kings/clansmen business because of his amnesia - and that possibly also explains why he was able to remain as calm as he did in the face of the HOMRA members wielding their powers to kill him. When Kuroh was explaining the whole system of kings and clans to him, Shiro doesn't seem to be surprised at the concept of supernatural powers at all. On a slightly related note, I like the theory that Neko first got her powers when Shiro fell through the roof. After all, if she had memory/sensory manipulation powers before she met Shiro, she would've probably had an incredibly easy time blending in with the students and getting food for herself. However, that doesn't seem to be the case, judging from her flashbacks where she generally shied away from humans and got chased down by the chef for stealing fish. I'd lean more towards her being a cat in the first place that got powers from being Shiro's 'clansman', but the fact that she seemingly 'reverted' to human form when Munakata destroyed her illusion was quite mystifying, especially when she seemed as surprised as anyone else when she first turned to human form in episode 2. Also, Shiro's really good at holding on to his parasol, no matter the circumstances, huh... Last edited by Defade; 2012-11-16 at 20:25. |
2012-11-16, 20:26 | Link #1145 |
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Hmm, I think I'll relook at some of my earlier theories which I had from Episode 2-3:
1) Adolf is Shiro from the future, an alternate dimension, possibility, etc. I actually like this theory - because I really hope that Adolf isn't just some kind of "Designated Villain" kind of gimmick. It'll seem like such a cop-out. 2) Split personality is starting to seem unlikely at this point. Thank goodness. 3) Shiro erasing his own memories is pretty much jossed. This episode pretty much confirms that Adolf was the one who did it. 4) Amnesia, fake memories confirmed - but it wasn't done by someone "evil", as this episode kind of confirms that Neko really had no intentions went beyond purely meaning well for Shiro. 5) I still think Ashinaka High is the lair of the Green King. The main suspect being the president of the student council. 6) I'm not sure if anyone's asked this but - there are 7 kings right? We have Red, Blue, Green, Silver, Gold, Colorless - what about the last one? There should be some kind of significance, right?
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2012-11-16, 20:43 | Link #1149 | ||
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Yeah, the telepathy is Shiro's.....was it not mentioned in earlier ep that the power of the Colorless was to see the future? Wouldn't be surprising for that to be a psychic, mind-related ability.
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2012-11-16, 21:11 | Link #1150 | ||
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That sword is not normal, this can kill a king (then maybe a hit is enough to destroy the illusion). Also, I think Reisi does not attack with all his might (not active his sword). Quote:
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2012-11-16, 22:06 | Link #1152 | |
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Anyways, if you need another hint of how Neko wasn't responsible for the entire thing, recall when she first cast her illusion of the Shibuya crossroads over the gym. All the SCEPTER4 troops inside the gym were affected, but Fushimi was in a location outside her range of influence. However, when Shiro manifested the sword, it was clear that even Fushimi saw it and was surprised by it. |
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2012-11-16, 22:49 | Link #1154 |
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I'm pretty sure it was Neko. Shiro wasn't even there to begin with, and if it was him who summoned the sword he would had to be there. The whole thing was an illusion, including Shiro. Besides, Shiro did thank Neko for saving their lives afterwards.
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2012-11-16, 22:55 | Link #1155 | |
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Maybe Neko is not fully responsible for the sword. Although I'm surprised that Kuro has not mentioned anything about it. |
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2012-11-16, 23:01 | Link #1156 | |
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1) Neko expanded her sphere of influence this time beyond just the stadium. 2) What Fushimi did was gasp in horror - he wasn't necessarily surprised. He could very well be shocked to see that everyone was falling for the trick but he realizes that he is too late to warn them.
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2012-11-16, 23:08 | Link #1157 | ||
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Shiro 'disappearing' is definitely the work of Neko, but she could've done that easily by manipulating the senses of the people in the gym so that they are no longer able to perceive Shiro, instead of Shiro never being there in the first place. And Neko did indeed save their lives - she orchestrated the first illusion with the Shibuya crossroad and assisted Shiro in saving Kuroh. Shiro manifesting the sword of damocles through his own power doesn't invalidate how much Neko contributed to saving them. Anyways, with the amount of information we have right now, there will always be room for argument. Yet the writers of K have demonstrated their capability in weaving an intriguing mystery, padding it with enough hints and foreshadowing that no reveal comes off as an ass-pull. Kukuri's line in the 1st episode concerning Shiro foreshadowing that 'Isana Yashiro' doesn't exist, the cleaning robot's failure to recognize Shiro as well as his nonexistent PDA indicating that he wasn't a registered student, his zipped up jacket hiding the blood stains on his shirt...I just feel like all the hints in this episode(specifically showing that Fushimi was out of Neko's illusion range and then showing his shocked response at Shiro's sword of damocles, the lack of visual/audio cues that indicate Neko's powers at work, Shiro conveniently only praising Neko for the Shibuya illusion - which she did orchestrate) point to Shiro actually having a greater hand in what occurred in the stadium. Just my 2 cents. Quote:
2. Fushimi was outside the SCEPTER4 van and looking upwards at the sword. There was no way he could see what was happening with the people inside the stadium from that vantage point. If he was gasping at a screen inside the van, then perhaps, but as it stands it feels like a convoluted explanation when we could just say that he was gaping at the sword, regardless of whether it's an illusion or not. |
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2012-11-16, 23:14 | Link #1158 | |
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So I guess if Shiro really created that sword, then - the Sword of Damocles is currently, truly, with him then?
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2012-11-16, 23:32 | Link #1159 | |
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I think it's pretty likely that Shiro is hiding something from everyone - including us - though I trust that he is a kind-hearted guy by nature and truly amnesiac. But well, his tendency to lie and competence at lying have been apparent ever since he made up that story about his little sister. Which also happens to be a call-back...call-forth...to how he made up his own name in a spur of the moment thing by looking at a poster. Gotta love how much detail the writers put into this show. As viewers, we have very little idea of what exactly the sword of damocles is, except that it seems to be the manifestation of a king's power. I wouldn't be surprised if Shiro has always had it - or it has been somehow suppressed till this point for some reason. Someone did jokingly theorize that the sword of damocles is his parasol though, since it was conspicuously offscreen when the sword appeared. |
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2012-11-17, 00:07 | Link #1160 | ||
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I suppose we won't know for sure until we have more info but for now my point stands.
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