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Kairin · 2009-11-20, 14:38

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MrTerrorist · 2009-11-20, 15:18

Spoiler for ep 8:

Joe_fh · 2009-11-20, 15:49

Lol it's already out and subbed. That was really fast.
I'll watch it tomorrow but from the preview last time it looked really interesting because it seemd like the plot will be finally moving. Or more like it will become more claer since the episodes this far only gave little hints - some of them were pretty obvious though.

Estaron · 2009-11-20, 16:01

Strangely they changed the fami-resu scene quite a lot.
They had to make up another filler character.
Oh well... at least they included some action...

Shinji103 · 2009-11-20, 16:38

Sooooo........

What the heck????

This actually is supposed to be the family restaurant scene with Touma, as this is where Mikoto does her "sweet girl" routine to try and get some info on level upper............but why'd the change it so drastically? I have no problems with them changing stuff but............why no Touma? Why are the punks here different?

Those were some of my initial thoughts anyway, but upon some thinking there might actually be some logic to this chaos. In the original Index anime, the way the "Touma tries to save delinquets from Mikoto" scene was done clearly showed that it was just Mikoto being hit on by some random punks, and then the Railgun manga version of the scene retconned the scene a bit by adding Kuroko and making it look like the scene had some other stuff happeneing. Maybe JC Staff is trying to divide the two events, making this scene in this episode its own seperate scene, then redo-ing the "Touma tries to save delinquets" scene later so it's actually not a retcon of the Index anime they created themselves.

That's the only way I can rationally explain what they did here; otherwise, they basically "butchered" the scene for no reason, and I'd rather think the former than the latter.

Unfortunately, they gave us a "freak of the week" "villain." At least it's better than the travesty that was "eyebrow girl," but I have an innate hatred of "freak of the week" villains due to plot-screwups caused by the aforementioned villain-type in previous series-es. But like I said, at least the villain didn't keel over without a fight.

So we have (limited to serious points and putting aside any fan-ravings such as Mikoto's moe-mode

)

Pluses:
- Some minor/mediocre plot advancement
- We actually get an opponent that can put up a pretty good fight

Minuses:
- Possibly a "butchering" of another nice Touma scene (hopefully they're just doing that to avoid retconning their own Index anime, as explained above)
- "Freak of the week" opponent. Ugh.

On the super-bright-side, we get the second of the three manga chapters that I've been dying to see animated next episode.

Please don't mess around with this one and just leave it be, JC Staff. >.> The preview shots look promising in that regard, though.

7/10

Miyuki-ism · 2009-11-20, 17:43

Maybe this is a different even from the Touma restaurant scene.

The brain freeze scene was hilarious, and also in the restaurant with Mikoto's moe routine and Kuroko's head-banging. XD

Shinji103 · 2009-11-20, 17:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miyuki-ism

Maybe this is a different even from the Touma restaurant scene.

No, it's the same one. In the Railgun manga, all this is the same with the exception of different thugs being there and Touma showing up.

Manga-speaking, of course. As I said, this may be JC Staff "fixing" up the "retcon" in the Railgun manga.

serenade_beta · 2009-11-20, 18:19

Oh noessss! I thought we would get some preaching scene by that guy who always seems to be in the right/wrong place, but instead, he got replaced by some throw-away(?) anime-original character.
...
GJ, JC

Another great episode, with a hilarious scene of Mikoto acting "cute" and Kuroko killing herself over it while Ruiko and Kazari has a low-level (in a power-meaning) conversation.
Ahhhh....................... Ruiko...

Speaking of Kazari... Hah!? She took off those flowers?! Dun dun dun...!

BlueDo · 2009-11-20, 18:33

NOOOOOOOO
Touma didn't come to the restaurant!

JaLooNz · 2009-11-20, 19:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueDo

NOOOOOOOO
Touma didn't come to the restaurant!

Why???? I was looking forward to that!

Clarste · 2009-11-20, 19:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shinji103

Those were some of my initial thoughts anyway, but upon some thinking there might actually be some logic to this chaos. In the original Index anime, the way the "Touma tries to save delinquets from Mikoto" scene was done clearly showed that it was just Mikoto being hit on by some random punks, and then the Railgun manga version of the scene retconned the scene a bit by adding Kuroko and making it look like the scene had some other stuff happeneing. Maybe JC Staff is trying to divide the two events, making this scene in this episode its own seperate scene, then redo-ing the "Touma tries to save delinquets" scene later so it's actually not a retcon of the Index anime they created themselves.

On the other hand, the blackout is a fairly important after-effect of this scene, and they left that part in. Either they have her create another blackout later which would feel kind of silly or they're just ignoring the fact that these two series are supposed to be connected. Personally, I feel like retconning the blackout right now is more egregious than the original retcon of what was going on in the restaurants, which always felt more clever than anything else.

Other than that though, a decent episode. I like the fact that the plot's moving forward. And the fight scene was pretty cool too. I like the image of her walking down the wall with the electricity. It was cool enough to feel powerful yet clumsy enough to feel authentic, in a certain way.

Joe_fh · 2009-11-20, 20:13

I agree with Shinji - they really "butchered" the scene for no reason. Or in other words they cut the link between Index and Railgun for no reason at all.
It was sad to skip that great moment but I guess we can't get everything - at leas we got the moe Misaka scene

And I'm not really sure if this is the place to complain for inconsistencies witht he manga

About the episode and events in it. In short:

We got some good plot development - now we know that thre is such a thing as a level upper.
We also saw that the people that used the level upper are now in some kind of coma but are alive and ok.
And yet again we saw Saten and her infiriority complex developing really fast especially in the first and last minutes of the episode. This time at least Uiharu tried to cheer her up even if she didn't do her best.
Also Saten found a "secret" (yeah was that really a secret link with half the title changing color

) to what seemed to be the level upper.

The "bad guy" was again sort of a joke like the eybrow girl but a bit more serious this time around. Nothing much but we gat to see Biri-biri walk on walls

And if they could learn what they wanted by beating them up (like what happened in the) end why didn't Kuroko just arest the gang leader or even the members at the resturant and question them? That didn't really make sense and leaving the leader staring at the big hole in front of her was also strange. So did they get their info in the end? If they did wouldn't they know all about the level upper way too early (it's only the 8th episode) since learning all about it in the first episode that they mention it not as a urban legend but as a real thing is wierd considering how slowly things were going until now.

The preview - if they do it right it will be really great. I really hope the don't go all original on us again for no real reson. There seemed to be a lot going on during the next episode so maybe it will take more than one episode to cover everything. That would make the events in the anime feel more connected since with this episode everything that happened start to slowly come together and a clifhanger would be a refreshing thing to see in here.
I believe the next part has a lot of potential for bot character development, action and there's even room for original stuff that can be added without disrupting the flow of the story.

Overall it was a nice entertaining episode.

Xacual · 2009-11-20, 20:26

Honestly I think its possible we may go back to the restaurant later to see the same scene that was in Index anime? At least that's what I'm hoping

Eater of All · 2009-11-20, 20:41

Looks like things are sucking pretty badly for Saten. Going to Academy City all pumped up about her ability only to get the label of Level Zero like that will definitely make one feel pretty despondent. At least she can confide in Uiharu for now.

As for the episode itself, I guess it was pretty entertaining. Things are starting to get interesting as it seems the Level Upper might have some nasty side effects, not just all fun and game. Uncovering the whole mystery behind it (including the technobabble; love them) is going to be a crazy ride.

Also, I didn't even notice Touma was supposed to be in the restaurant until people pointed it out.

I'm sure it would've been a nice treat if they'd made the connection, but to be honest I don't really care either way now that it's come to past....

ReddyRedWolf · 2009-11-20, 21:35

Did Kuroko just knock herself out?

Miraluka · 2009-11-20, 21:44

Looks like some users are missing Touma

he got the third place in the Oricon Rant, Why I wonder?

Shinji103 · 2009-11-20, 22:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eater of All

Also, I didn't even notice Touma was supposed to be in the restaurant until people pointed it out.

I'm sure it would've been a nice treat if they'd made the connection, but to be honest I don't really care either way now that it's come to past....

It's not so much Touma didn't appear, as much as this episode is supposed to be something of a linking point between the Index and Railgun storlyines. It should have marked the beginning scene of episode 1 of Index, but then they changed it for some reason, which I'm hoping is because they want to change the "retcon" of the manga version of this by having Touma's family restaurant scene later, thereby making the link without the "retcon" in the Railgun manga. But as Clarste said, that would feel a bit odd to have two seperate family-restaurant-thug scenes followed by widespread blackout lightning bolts.....

ReddyRedWolf · 2009-11-20, 22:06

Is it just me or did Kuroko offhandly mention a pyrokinetic incident. Stiyl anybody?

Which means by this time Index is in the city.

Fawx9 · 2009-11-20, 22:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shinji103

It's not so much Touma didn't appear, as much as this episode is supposed to be something of a linking point between the Index and Railgun storlyines. It should have marked the beginning scene of episode 1 of Index, but then they changed it for some reason, which I'm hoping is because they want to change the "retcon" of the manga version of this.

Wouldn't that mean they'd need to explain 2 blackouts then? Sure its possible, but the 'retcon' in the manga wasn't that huge I think to warrant such a change to it.

Clarste · 2009-11-20, 22:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by ReddyRedWolf

Is it just me or did Kuroko offhandly mention a pyrokinetic incident. Stiyl anybody?

Which means by this time Index is in the city.

She's talking about the first episode. Stiyl wouldn't be registered as any level of psychic anyway, so it wouldn't make any sense for her to mention him in that context, even if she did know about him, which she almost certainly doesn't. So no.

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2009-11-20, 15:18	Link #2
MrTerrorist Takao Tsundere Cruiser Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Classified	Spoiler for ep 8: Kuroko Kuroko Baka! Saten is such a good friend. Uiharu looks cute even without her headband. Mikoto acting all girlish was making me rofl! Unfortunately it looks its not July 19th yet (No touma!) as Mikoto tries to meet some gang who sell Level upper and gets into a fight with them and then meets their boss who happens to be a girl with a Letterman jacket and an earth manipulator too. Their fight was very exciting which ended with Mikoto causing a thunder strike that blacks out the city but leaving the girl alone. The end was more exciting as we found out the Level upper users are in a coma and we meet a certain striping lady and Saten finds a mysterious web link. Next week episode looks like is based on the manga involving Sataen, Kuroko and some creepy looking guy. __________________

2009-11-20, 16:38	Link #5
Shinji103 Crazy Devout Fanboy Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: 1st Ra Cailum-class battleship Ra Cailum, port-side officer's bunks	Sooooo........ What the heck???? This actually is supposed to be the family restaurant scene with Touma, as this is where Mikoto does her "sweet girl" routine to try and get some info on level upper............but why'd the change it so drastically? I have no problems with them changing stuff but............why no Touma? Why are the punks here different? Those were some of my initial thoughts anyway, but upon some thinking there might actually be some logic to this chaos. In the original Index anime, the way the "Touma tries to save delinquets from Mikoto" scene was done clearly showed that it was just Mikoto being hit on by some random punks, and then the Railgun manga version of the scene retconned the scene a bit by adding Kuroko and making it look like the scene had some other stuff happeneing. Maybe JC Staff is trying to divide the two events, making this scene in this episode its own seperate scene, then redo-ing the "Touma tries to save delinquets" scene later so it's actually not a retcon of the Index anime they created themselves. That's the only way I can rationally explain what they did here; otherwise, they basically "butchered" the scene for no reason, and I'd rather think the former than the latter. Unfortunately, they gave us a "freak of the week" "villain." At least it's better than the travesty that was "eyebrow girl," but I have an innate hatred of "freak of the week" villains due to plot-screwups caused by the aforementioned villain-type in previous series-es. But like I said, at least the villain didn't keel over without a fight. So we have (limited to serious points and putting aside any fan-ravings such as Mikoto's moe-mode ) Pluses: - Some minor/mediocre plot advancement - We actually get an opponent that can put up a pretty good fight Minuses: - Possibly a "butchering" of another nice Touma scene (hopefully they're just doing that to avoid retconning their own Index anime, as explained above) - "Freak of the week" opponent. Ugh. On the super-bright-side, we get the second of the three manga chapters that I've been dying to see animated next episode. Please don't mess around with this one and just leave it be, JC Staff. >.> The preview shots look promising in that regard, though. 7/10 __________________

2009-11-20, 17:43	Link #6
Miyuki-ism Corpse in Pieces Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Canada/Ontario Age: 31	Maybe this is a different even from the Touma restaurant scene. The brain freeze scene was hilarious, and also in the restaurant with Mikoto's moe routine and Kuroko's head-banging. XD __________________

2009-11-20, 18:19	Link #8
serenade_beta そのおっぱいで13才 Join Date: Dec 2006	Oh noessss! I thought we would get some preaching scene by that guy who always seems to be in the right/wrong place, but instead, he got replaced by some throw-away(?) anime-original character. ... GJ, JC Another great episode, with a hilarious scene of Mikoto acting "cute" and Kuroko killing herself over it while Ruiko and Kazari has a low-level (in a power-meaning) conversation. Ahhhh....................... Ruiko... Speaking of Kazari... Hah!? She took off those flowers?! Dun dun dun...! __________________ -Blog --> http://tdnshumi.blogspot.com/ (Mainly about video games) -R.I.P. Hiroshi Yamauchi, Gaming wouldn't have been the same without you (9/19/13)

2009-11-20, 15:49	Link #3
Joe_fh Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009	Lol it's already out and subbed. That was really fast. I'll watch it tomorrow but from the preview last time it looked really interesting because it seemd like the plot will be finally moving. Or more like it will become more claer since the episodes this far only gave little hints - some of them were pretty obvious though.

2009-11-20, 16:01	Link #4
Estaron Member Fansubber Join Date: Jul 2008	Strangely they changed the fami-resu scene quite a lot. They had to make up another filler character. Oh well... at least they included some action...

2009-11-20, 18:33	Link #9
BlueDo Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008	NOOOOOOOO Touma didn't come to the restaurant!

2009-11-20, 20:13	Link #12
Joe_fh Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009	I agree with Shinji - they really "butchered" the scene for no reason. Or in other words they cut the link between Index and Railgun for no reason at all. It was sad to skip that great moment but I guess we can't get everything - at leas we got the moe Misaka scene And I'm not really sure if this is the place to complain for inconsistencies witht he manga About the episode and events in it. In short: We got some good plot development - now we know that thre is such a thing as a level upper. We also saw that the people that used the level upper are now in some kind of coma but are alive and ok. And yet again we saw Saten and her infiriority complex developing really fast especially in the first and last minutes of the episode. This time at least Uiharu tried to cheer her up even if she didn't do her best. Also Saten found a "secret" (yeah was that really a secret link with half the title changing color ) to what seemed to be the level upper. The "bad guy" was again sort of a joke like the eybrow girl but a bit more serious this time around. Nothing much but we gat to see Biri-biri walk on walls And if they could learn what they wanted by beating them up (like what happened in the) end why didn't Kuroko just arest the gang leader or even the members at the resturant and question them? That didn't really make sense and leaving the leader staring at the big hole in front of her was also strange. So did they get their info in the end? If they did wouldn't they know all about the level upper way too early (it's only the 8th episode) since learning all about it in the first episode that they mention it not as a urban legend but as a real thing is wierd considering how slowly things were going until now. The preview - if they do it right it will be really great. I really hope the don't go all original on us again for no real reson. There seemed to be a lot going on during the next episode so maybe it will take more than one episode to cover everything. That would make the events in the anime feel more connected since with this episode everything that happened start to slowly come together and a clifhanger would be a refreshing thing to see in here. I believe the next part has a lot of potential for bot character development, action and there's even room for original stuff that can be added without disrupting the flow of the story. Overall it was a nice entertaining episode.

2009-11-20, 20:26	Link #13
Xacual Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008	Honestly I think its possible we may go back to the restaurant later to see the same scene that was in Index anime? At least that's what I'm hoping __________________ I was influenced by a certain group overflowing with madness and started trying to write a story. Please give it a try. Crashed into Fantasy

2009-11-20, 20:41	Link #14
Eater of All NOM Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Outside the Asylum	Looks like things are sucking pretty badly for Saten. Going to Academy City all pumped up about her ability only to get the label of Level Zero like that will definitely make one feel pretty despondent. At least she can confide in Uiharu for now. As for the episode itself, I guess it was pretty entertaining. Things are starting to get interesting as it seems the Level Upper might have some nasty side effects, not just all fun and game. Uncovering the whole mystery behind it (including the technobabble; love them) is going to be a crazy ride. Also, I didn't even notice Touma was supposed to be in the restaurant until people pointed it out. I'm sure it would've been a nice treat if they'd made the connection, but to be honest I don't really care either way now that it's come to past.... __________________

2009-11-20, 21:35	Link #15
ReddyRedWolf Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006	Did Kuroko just knock herself out?

2009-11-20, 21:44	Link #16
Miraluka Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Age: 34	Looks like some users are missing Touma he got the third place in the Oricon Rant, Why I wonder?

2009-11-20, 22:06	Link #18
ReddyRedWolf Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006	Is it just me or did Kuroko offhandly mention a pyrokinetic incident. Stiyl anybody? Which means by this time Index is in the city.