To Aru Majutsu no Index Light Novel Discussion (Archives)

[Von Himmel]

Yeah I had considered the possibility that it was Lucifer inside of Touma. But Lucifer had lost to Michael, and whatever this power (again, where was the dragon even mention?) is it's stronger than Michael. I like the theory of a new unexplainable being/god that would overtake the Christian God to become the new top religion sort of in line with the real life religion of 'thelema' and the legend of the book of law ending the age of Christianity when open in vol7.

*pointing at Demiurge
..damn, SMT series got me when talking about angels and demons @_@

I...don't really understand what happened between Touma and Fiamma when Touma lost his arm...does he have another secret power inside him that was awakened when he lost his arm ? What was that about the rule that there can only be 1 imagine breaker at the same time ?

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by Flyvedelta

What was that about the rule that there can only be 1 imagine breaker at the same time ?

He's saying that the power of Imagine Breaker is so unique that there can only be one in the world, I guess sort of how there can never be a copy of Redirection and Dark Matter, possibly even Deep Blood. It's one of those special powers.

[reaper with no name]

Another way of looking at it is that Imagine Breaker is only Imagine Breaker if it is attached to Touma. If his right arm is ever separated from him, the power will go away.

I also really appreciate the translations. But I see nothing in there about a silver dragon arm. It just says "some invisible force".

But isn't that what Touma's name means? I once heard that Touma means "invisible demon" or something along those lines.

[Miraluka]

Yeah, the silver dragon maybe is the unknown hidden force but not invisible because of Aureoulus thoughts.

[reaper with no name]

So, something else worth mentioning (bolded for emphasis):

Originally Posted by cubicjack

Well, to begin with, the reason why Rikou isn't a Level 5 already isn't because of the side effects of the drug. They did a simulation using the Tree Diagram and found a way to advance her to Level 5 that has nothing to do with the drug. However, they were not able to achieve those conditions in real life, so they did simulations of her using the drug to see if the same result could be achieved. The simulation showed that it's not possible, but they still gave her the drug anyway.

Needless to say, the drug didn't bring her to Level 5. However, her relationships with Shiage & co., and her experience in the war provided enough stimulation and paved the way to reaching Level 5.

As for her ability, it was mentioned that once she reaches Level 5, by using AIM Fields as a medium, she could interfere and control other people's Personal Reality. This means that she could raise/lower people's levels, completely take away people's powers, grant abilities to other people, switch people's abilities, and possibly even create a true Dual Skill. She can even create a specific ability and set it at a specific level. Even Accelerator can become powerless in front of her. In other words, she alone can do what the whole AC has been doing all along.

I don't think it was mentioned what she could do beside AIM stalking and interfering with other people's AIM Field at Level 4. However, during the Dark Matter Squad attack, when Mugino was weak and can't aim properly, Rikou assisted her in aiming. The lady superior explained that Rikou's ability interfered with Mugino's Personal Reality and kind of forcefully corrected her aim.

I don't remember if it was stated that she could copy and use other people's abilities, though. They mentioned nothing about her being able to copy and use other abilities in this volume, and I don't remember if it was mentioned in vol. 15.

If that part right there is true, she is the ultimate weapon against anything short of an angel. Espers wouldn't be able to do a thing against her because she could turn their powers against them (or take them away entirely). If they don't have an esper power, she can give them one and then turn it against them.

Rikou: Oh, hi there [insert magician here]. You now have Level 5 pyrokinesis, which I will now set you on fire with. Don't bother trying to cast any spells, you'll just hurt yourself even more.

And this is to say nothing of the possibility of her being able to create an entire city of level 5s, possibly with more than one ability (but didn't they say at one point that an esper with more than one ability would have their brain explode? The only one we've seen do that was Accelerator via the Dark Matter wings, but standard esper rules don't apply to him anyway).

This all just seems a bit too good to be true. Did they actually say she would be able to do all these things, or is that speculation?

And I can't help but wonder how her power would affect gemstone espers (if at all).

Well, in any case, it looks like Mikoto just got downgraded to rank 4. Kuroko is going to flip when she gets the news.

[outerelf]

Originally Posted by reaper with no name

Well, in any case, it looks like Mikoto just got downgraded to rank 4. Kuroko is going to flip when she gets the news.

Wait, wait wait- where is this at? Yes, Mikoto hasn't been able to do everything she's wanted, but her creativty and her power level shouldn't of gone down.

[reaper with no name]

Mikoto is the 3rd ranked level 5. If Rikou can do half the things the post I quoted says she can, then she's taking the number 3 spot, at least.

[Marcus H.]

Mikoto should be Rank Five. Remember, Gunha Sogiita.

[Miraluka]

I'm curious about the similitudes bewtween Index's cross in her chest and Gabriel's cross on his/her chest.





Coincidence?

Originally Posted by reaper with no name

Rikou: Oh, hi there [insert magician here]. You now have Level 5 pyrokinesis, which I will now set you on fire with. Don't bother trying to cast any spells, you'll just hurt yourself even more.

Her power affects espers, isn't like she can infuse AIM on people just like that, she fixes the AIM on those who have.

And this is to say nothing of the possibility of her being able to create an entire city of level 5s, possibly with more than one ability (but didn't they say at one point that an esper with more than one ability would have their brain explode? The only one we've seen do that was Accelerator via the Dark Matter wings, but standard esper rules don't apply to him anyway).

Thats Dual Skill not Multi Skill. And I can't remember but it was Level 4's not Level 5's.

This all just seems a bit too good to be true. Did they actually say she would be able to do all these things, or is that speculation?

No, its al true.

And I can't help but wonder how her power would affect gemstone espers (if at all).

Maybe the Gemstones, afterall they are AIM based.

Well, in any case, it looks like Mikoto just got downgraded to rank 4. Kuroko is going to flip when she gets the news.

Rank Five if you count with Gunha Sogiita

[reaper with no name]

Originally Posted by Wilfriback

I'm curious about the similitudes bewtween Index's cross in her chest and Gabriel's cross on his/her chest.





Coincidence?


Her power affects espers, isn't like she can infuse AIM on people just like that, she fixes the AIM on those who have.



Thats Dual Skill not Multi Skill. And I can't remember but it was Level 4's not Level 5's.


No, its al true.


Maybe the Gemstones, afterall they are AIM based.


Rank Five if you count with Gunha Sogiita

Increasing someone's level is increasing their AIM. But I suppose it not working on level 0s would be a sensible limitation (do normal people even have a Personal Reality?).

So she can't increase levels beyond 4? That would make sense. But even so, the power to create a whole world of level 4s...Wow.

Gunha, cool as he is, is currently ranked 7th. Unless he gets a powerup or someone above him gets nerfed or killed, he's not moving up.

[Miraluka]

Originally Posted by reaper with no name

Gunha, cool as he is, is currently ranked 7th. Unless he gets a powerup or someone above him gets nerfed or killed, he's not moving up.

Currently ranked 7th because his gemstones abilities can't be explained through the "science".

[reaper with no name]

Point remains. He won't be going up in the ranks any time soon, as much as he may or may not deserve it.

[Ice Block]

Originally Posted by reaper with no name

Increasing someone's level is increasing their AIM. But I suppose it not working on level 0s would be a sensible limitation (do normal people even have a Personal Reality?).

So she can't increase levels beyond 4? That would make sense. But even so, the power to create a whole world of level 4s...Wow.

Gunha, cool as he is, is currently ranked 7th. Unless he gets a powerup or someone above him gets nerfed or killed, he's not moving up.

No. The SISTERs' AIM is pretty much identical to Mikoto's, yet they are only still at Level 2/3. Gaining a Level in the Power Development Curriculum means that you have significantly increased your mastery of your own Personal Reality which is used to affect AIM.

The way I see it, Level 5s are not ranked by AC according to powerlevel or whatnot. They are ranked according to their importance to ongoing ESPer development. It just so happens that #1 and #2 are both the most powerful and the most important of the bunch. If Rikou has indeed reached Level 5, then she can probably be promoted to #4 simply because she can pretty much do everything that AC's Power Development Curriculum is doing. Biribiri will still be ranked higher because her ability and unique traits (very large AIM field radius), which she shares with her clones, are important to controlling the Imaginary Number Sector and spreading the Artificial Heaven.

Also remember that it was revealed in earlier spoilers that each ESPer has their own set potentials. They have an upper limit on what Level they can attain (Level cap), and this upper limit is unbreakable. This is why AC only concentrated on those few who had the potential to reach Level 5, and pretty much shafted everyone else by only giving them the regular curriculum that pretty much gives a 0.1% or something chance for them to drastically improve and attain their set Level cap.

[Miraluka]

Originally Posted by reaper with no name

Point remains. He won't be going up in the ranks any time soon, as much as he may or may not deserve it.

Of course, but still he has greater power.

[BakaOnna]

Translation of Accelerator's angel transformation/healing LO. NOTE: I DID NOT TRANSLATE THIS. Credit goes to some kind /a/non.

Spoiler for scene:

A still silence engulfed the white field of snow.

Accelerator ended his song. The tip of the staff supporting him slipped as he laid on the ground. Falling from his knees, his entire body was covered in red blood. Within this Hell of white refusing any changes of colour, he alone issued his own colour, with his wound, and his pain.

He rasped, coughing out a breath from a throat that had surpassed its limit. Perhaps he was hurt on the inside as well - a red liquid came pouring out at times, mixed with the coughs.

He can't sing any more than this.

Something sticky was blocking the passage inside him.

However,

Accelerator's lips, stained with red and black, slackened slightly. That's it, he thought. There's no need to sing any more, because,

"Misaka Misaka asks... are... are you okay...?"

Within his clouded perception, he heard a small voice.

It was words that he had always heard coming from the girl - phrases from a girl who just moments before couldn't even be kept at the minimum limit for life, let alone remain conscious. By her tone, small and yet showing that she had regained her core, Accelerator became convinced.

That it was a dangerously unreliable existence, one that shook and may even fade away at any moment. And that in its heart, there stood a pillar which will never fade.

Last Order has been stabilised.

She wouldn't have to be tormented by all this excessive violence any more.

Accelerator thoroughly reflected on this. And before he had realised, his body had moved. The Level-5 - the one they had called the greatest monster of Academy City - reached out with his shaking hands and pulled Last Order close, embracing the small, powerless body.

Powerfully,

as though refusing to let go a second time.

"...Thank you..."

The words came out bit by bit.

His voice shook, and not simply because of his body, ragged inside and out.

"...Damn it, thank you... thank God...!!"

Perhaps with the original Accelerator, these words would be impossible.

However, what would be the basis for this 'original'? Perhaps this was who he truly was. Perhaps, before all the tragedies, before the young Level-5 was swallowed by the 'darkness' of Academy City, the 'original' was a child who would laugh, and who would cry, at the slightest things.

Though now tainted by overwhelming evil, 'that' did not change within him.

And perhaps this was what Yoshikawa Kikyou and Yomigawa Aiho saw - what the 'society of adults' had tried to protect.

For a long time, Last Order could only retain her consciousness in disconnected segments - she had no way of understanding the full circumstances.

Yet, it didn't matter.

Last Order, closely held by Accelerator, reached her small hand around him, and slowly patted him on the back.

As though accepting him.

And most likely, in the same way as when she first saw that 'something' that was left in him from the very beginning.

"-"

Accelerator thought while continuing to confirm the warmth he had finally recovered.

Truly, this world was cold, strict, and filled with a senseless amount of malice.

But at the same time, there was something he saved.

If you could just extend your hand with your own will. If you could just clench your teeth and move forward. At the end of all your struggles, the light does exist. The world was not so filled with despair that it would steal away this one ray of light.

"I'd hate to put a damper in this emotional reunion,"

That was when it happened.

Misaka Worst, standing beside them, spun out these words with the thorns of caution.

"But I don't think this shitty war's going to be end with a happy ending just yet."

Before he could turn his neck and confirm his surroundings, Accelerator felt something abnormal.

Chills ran up his spine.

It was a horrible feeling, like the skin of his entire body being cut open and having something cold shoveled in. Or was it the opposite? Was it that his insides shook so much that it reached outside his skin? It didn't matter. The most important thing was that it wasn't one of the normal five senses. The sensors of the body and the operational circuit of the brain began to malfunction as it took in information which cannot be accepted.

There was an enormous pressure coming from directly above.

Unabara Mitsuki, the Angel of Water, and the Lambskin - it was something even more incredibly concentrated that what was released by any of them...

Accelerator, still holding Last Order in his arms, cast his gaze at the sky.

The giant fortress was floating there.

The golden light which completely buried the sky was being absorbed by the fortress. This false feeling of electricity coursing under his skin came from this giant force of power concentrated at one point. It was like standing at the tip of a spear. This mass of unknown power was being aimed at the surface.

He didn't know what purpose this fortress serves.

He didn't understand what would happen if that spearhead was pointed towards the ground.

But,

"...looks like it won't be good for anyone if that thing gets fired."

Perhaps its objective was not simply to destroy. Perhap it had a special effect when fired into the ground. But it made no difference. The scale of damage would be unthinkable if that much power were to hit the ground. And if what he felt on his skin was true, that this wasn't simply a 'power of science' but a different kind of energy, then Accelerator's 'Redirection' wouldn't work against it.

If it gets through, everyone will be killed.

Accelerator, Misaka Worst, Last Order... none of them would be left.

"...Screw that."

As soon as he muttered this,

with a sound like an explosion, wings like jet-black ink sprouted from Accelerator's back - those black wings that symbolised his anger. They were an enormous power filled with mystery, without using any power borrowed from the Misaka Network, and quite possibly unstoppable by even Last Order's forced suspension. In fact, as soon as those wings appear, Accelerator will almost certainly undergo a loss of mental equilibrium; they came when he wished to kill the opponent before him, even if he had to throw away all his morals and principles. He, along with the killing intent in his heart bursting out in the form of those black wings, will violate the world. It can't be helped - that was the kind of power it was.

Like it was something wringed out from inside him by the pressure from the fortress in the sky.

Like the time when he confronted that Aiwass.

However,

"...Misaka Worst,"

Accelerator softly whispered those words.

"I'll stop that thing. You think you can take care of the kid?"

"From the Russian side? Or from Academy City?"

"From everything."

Misaka Worst sighed at the unreasonable order. Making an enemy of both sides would be the same as fighting against the combined might of every participant in the Third World War.

However, a malicious smile appeared as she took out an iron spike from her pocket.

"Well, it's obvious that it'll be them who end up crying, and this doesn't change what has to be done. If the 'song' inside Last Order and the Misaka Network can be analysed, there will be plenty of chances to acquire 'technology not found in Academy City'."

Perhaps these bewildering events caused Last Order to remember her unease. Her small hand grabbed onto Accelerator's coat tightly.

"Misaka Misaka is asking you, where are you going?"

The eyes that looked up at him from within his embrace trembled.

She had probably understood that Accelerator was going to leave now - which is why she now has to stop it.

"Misaka Misaka wants to make sure - you're not going anywhere, are you?"

"I don't need you worrying about me. This'll be over soon."

I'll come back, I'll return - Accelerator did not say any of this.

The monster with the black wings gently moved away the fingers of the girl holding onto him, one by one - as though cutting away at the last shackles that held him on the surface.

"Please don't,"

Last Order murmured.

"Misaka Misaka, wants to be with you forever."

"...Yeah,"

Accelerator accepted that.

At the very end, he answered with a childish smile.

"I wanted to be with you forever, too."

With a sound like a cracking glacier, the colour of the monster's wings changed - from dark ink-black, to pure snow-white. From root to tip, from inside to outside, in a single instant, its colour changed.

On top of his head, a small ring of the same colour appeared.

This was his transformation.

The change in consciousness that becomes the source spitting out this unique power into the real world.

Accelerator put both his hands on Last Order's shoulders, pressed onto them lightly, and using that recoil, his body gently floated upwards, like an astronaut in space.

Last Order's small hands reached out to Accelerator floating in the air.

But she can't reach him.

Accelerator had already floated up several metres.

That was fine.

With that conviction, Accelerator beat him white wings. The giant 100-metre wings changed from using simply the wind to some unknown power of levitation. Without any additional force towards the ground, Accelerator shot straight up like a cannonball.

In a single instant,

Accelerator ascended 3000 metres, hovering in the air, scattering the edges of the heavy clouds.

At the same time, the fortress in the sky moved.

The mass of golden power, absorbed from the top and concentrated at the bottom, was fired downwards without mercy. He felt on his face a pressure like an electrifying numbness. As expected, it wasn't a normal power, just like Accelerator's white wings. Most likely, even 'Redirection' wouldn't work. It will probably go straight through, just like when he was defeated by Aiwass.

And so what?

Accelerator moved his white wings further, greatly accelerating upwards - heading straight towards the golden mass without any pretenses. There was a slight smile on his lips.

I get it - Accelerator finally thought.

This is what it means to fight to protect.

Immediately after,

8000 metres in the air, two great powers collided.

[reaper with no name]

Originally Posted by Ice Block

No. The SISTERs' AIM is pretty much identical to Mikoto's, yet they are only still at Level 2/3. Gaining a Level in the Power Development Curriculum means that you have significantly increased your mastery of your own Personal Reality which is used to affect AIM.

The way I see it, Level 5s are not ranked by AC according to powerlevel or whatnot. They are ranked according to their importance to ongoing ESPer development. It just so happens that #1 and #2 are both the most powerful and the most important of the bunch. If Rikou has indeed reached Level 5, then she can probably be promoted to #4 simply because she can pretty much do everything that AC's Power Development Curriculum is doing. Biribiri will still be ranked higher because her ability and unique traits (very large AIM field radius), which she shares with her clones, are important to controlling the Imaginary Number Sector and spreading the Artificial Heaven.

Also remember that it was revealed in earlier spoilers that each ESPer has their own set potentials. They have an upper limit on what Level they can attain (Level cap), and this upper limit is unbreakable. This is why AC only concentrated on those few who had the potential to reach Level 5, and pretty much shafted everyone else by only giving them the regular curriculum that pretty much gives a 0.1% or something chance for them to drastically improve and attain their set Level cap.

I was under the impression that the higher your level, the more AIM (not talking about the AIM "pattern" or whatnot; that's unique to each person) you had, and that the amount of AIM you had reflected your mastery of your personal reality (which would not only affect your ability to control your power, but also the amount of power you had). To use the sisters as an example, they not only have less control over their power, but their power is also clearly weaker. And then you've got Accelerator, who's got so much AIM he can erase magic with it.

Under your interpretation of the level system, Mikoto would no longer be considered a level 5, because her importance to the power development curriculum ended when the clones were created. Plus, we've clearly seen that there are tests that espers go through to measure their power, and that based on these tests levels are determined. That indicates that the levels really are just that; levels.

[Marcus H.]

This manly tear is for you Accelerator.

[Miraluka]

"...Damn it, thank you... thank God...!!"

So Accelerator still believes.

owever, what would be the basis for this 'original'? Perhaps this was who he truly was. Perhaps, before all the tragedies, before the young Level-5 was swallowed by the 'darkness' of Academy City, the 'original' was a child who would laugh, and who would cry, at the slightest things.

Wait! Was he already Level 5 when he was a kid?

Originally Posted by reaper with no name

I was under the impression that the higher your level, the more AIM (not talking about the AIM "pattern" or whatnot; that's unique to each person) you had, and that the amount of AIM you had reflected your mastery of your personal reality (which would not only affect your ability to control your power, but also the amount of power you had). To use the sisters as an example, they not only have less control over their power, but their power is also clearly weaker. And then you've got Accelerator, who's got so much AIM he can erase magic with it.

Under your interpretation of the level system, Mikoto would no longer be considered a level 5, because her importance to the power development curriculum ended when the clones were created. Plus, we've clearly seen that there are tests that espers go through to measure their power, and that based on these tests levels are determined. That indicates that the levels really are just that; levels.

Also using Mikoto as propaganda, the newcomers won't give up too fast... I feel bad for those now that is the thing you can reach more with efforts is only that, just propaganda.

[Ice Block]

Originally Posted by reaper with no name

I was under the impression that the higher your level, the more AIM (not talking about the AIM "pattern" or whatnot; that's unique to each person) you had, and that the amount of AIM you had reflected your mastery of your personal reality (which would not only affect your ability to control your power, but also the amount of power you had). To use the sisters as an example, they not only have less control over their power, but their power is also clearly weaker. And then you've got Accelerator, who's got so much AIM he can erase magic with it.

Under your interpretation of the level system, Mikoto would no longer be considered a level 5, because her importance to the power development curriculum ended when the clones were created. Plus, we've clearly seen that there are tests that espers go through to measure their power, and that based on these tests levels are determined. That indicates that the levels really are just that; levels.

Level is based on mastery. Ranking within each Level is determined by importance to ongoing research. The amount of AIM you give off is only sometimes related to your Level (usually for those below 3), not always. The reason why, for example, the 2nd production plan is just as potent in spreading the field as the 3rd production plan, is that their AIM field has the same stats despite the Worst line being Level 4s. Also, the reason why the SISTERs are weaker is precisely because they do not have the capacity to exert a level of control similar to Mikoto's on their Personal Realities. Better control not only means being creative with your powers. It also means that you can affect the world around you to a greater degree.

Also, GLORIOUS Accelerator scene. Thank you, kind 4chan /a/non.

[Kyouka]

wait so accelerator is dead now?