2013-05-06, 23:08 | Link #1 |
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2013-05-09, 11:36 | Link #2 |
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Based on what I've seen in both the manga and anime, I wonder how the army can even manage to keep recruitment rates up.
Given that any large-scale battle with the Titans is probably going to end with horrific losses, I have a feeling that a lot of the people who enlist do so for material/social needs (i.e. a chance to live in the inner district, a guaranteed place to sleep, food, etc). I think this would be especially true after the fall of wall Maria, resources are more limited for humanity so there are definitely going to be people who can no longer afford basic needs for their families. |
2013-05-09, 22:12 | Link #3 |
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I got your point, IMHO the army recruitment can improve their caste in society, true that from time to time the quantity would be declining as the lost wall maria, but that enough for them to get assurance from the castle when their caste rose.
From what I catch the castle don't give a damn about the the human survival . . ., true now the titan have more power than the human, but I have the feeling the titan would be overwhelmed when they want to broke the center castle.
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2013-05-09, 23:04 | Link #4 |
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Only five years have passed since the fall of wall Maria, those 250,000 people that were sent to the slaughter have probably left an army of orphans that have absolutely no where to go.
Undoubtedly there is no shortage of new recruits.
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2013-05-10, 02:18 | Link #5 |
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But, what about the population itself which seems to be at a steady decline? Yeah, you have orphans, but how many of them are producing their offspring? Considering the mortality rate of the corp and the amount of new recruits who need to go through years of training to fill the vacancy, I think the point is very legit at how they are keeping up with the rates of recruitment and turning them into the next generation of soldiers. I'm afraid the humanity in that world is approaching the end-game at a very quick succession every time the Giants are breaching the walls to go into the inner cities.
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2013-05-10, 04:14 | Link #6 |
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I don't think the population is in steady decline, they wouldn't have had 100 years of relative peace otherwise.
From what I can tell the army only suffers heavy losses during Titan breaches, beyond that I think most of the losses are suffered by the Recon Corp. I think the case of the army in SnK as whole is that most of the casualties are concentrated in one unit of the army (the Recon Corp) while the bulk of humanity's forces manage to get by despite the smaller population. |
2013-05-10, 04:32 | Link #8 |
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I'm thinking their level of tech allows for relatively low infant mortality rates.
This is just an assumption of mine but I think that the population mostly consists of people who are about to enter or are at reproductive age, I guess you could say they had a high population growth rate prior to the Titan breaches in the wall. Of course without any info no one can really say for sure how they keep up their recruitment stocks. |
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2013-05-10, 05:15 | Link #11 | |
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As for corrupt politics... Yup. That selfish lord was an indication of corruption within the government. I wonder how would the recruits who desired to join the MP could tolerate such a bad morality like corruption? |
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2013-05-10, 05:23 | Link #12 |
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The population certainly is in decline. wasn't the human population almost exterminated until the giant walls were erected? The current population is counted in millions compared to billions before the Giants made their appearance. Then came the 100 years of cessation of extermination by the Giants for unknown reason. The population didn't explode in that duration because of other catalyst (limitation of land thanks to the self-confinement of those walls, food, famine, disease, etc. ) that were present in the absence of the Giants. So yes, the population has indeed been in decline, but reached a plateau during that hundred years. Now once again the curve is pointing south with the appearance of the Giants.
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2013-05-10, 07:23 | Link #14 |
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It was stated that they sent 250 thousands of people to the slaughter because they didn't have enough food for all of them.
Whether the demographic is in decline or not, the problem is that they are suffering from overpopulation in relation to the land that they have left. Considering Eren, Armin and Mikasa weren't sent with those sacrifices, we can assume that all the children of the refugee were spared, only to be trained and enlisted in the military to fight the titans. All of those children are however still surplus children, as they only need the sons and daughters of those residing inside wall Rose to keep their demographic as it has always been in the territories included. Naturally there's a lot of people born inside wall Rose who enlist in the military for social pressure or to get further away from the front since Wall Rose isn't safe anymore. But let's not forget that military doesn't equal recon corps. The vast majority is bound to join the garrison where they will only die in case of a Titan attack. Obviously a slow demographic decline is a very minor problem when compared to a titan attack which can cause the loss of vast land with the consequently need to purge thousands of citizens at once. Strengthening their defenses is a priority. It's not like they have any other choice that would be more logical. Anyway the mere fact that those surplus children exist, means that they don't have to worry about not having enough people recruiting, for now. As I said only five years have passed.
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2013-05-11, 22:39 | Link #15 | |
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If I remember correctly, it's 1% of the population. From someone's comparison, the following geography showed the scale of Wall Seanas(250 KM). The maps of Germany and Japan are used as comparison. Wall Seanas is the core area. It means if Wall Rose is breached, all three corps have no difference. They would have only one wall to guard. Besides Military Corp, Stationary Corp and Recon Corp, there's also Training Corp. The general managed all Corp, except Training Corp. For example, the former Head of Recon Corp quit his job and joined Training Corp. He's no longer under the general's command. His advice for the next Recon Corp Head is probably take care his hair.
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2013-05-11, 22:50 | Link #16 | |
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My point is only that this society has basically no knowledge of the vast world beyond their walls. The idea of oceans are even just a myth to them. They might very well comprise only 1% of the total human population of the world, and they would have no clue that this is the case because of just how extensive their isolationism is. |
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2013-05-11, 22:54 | Link #17 |
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No, Armin in EP2 says that the 250 thousands people that were sent to the slaughter were almost 1 fifth of the entire population. That means almost 20%.
The remaining population can be estimated to be about 1 million.
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Even then it would be 10% not 1%
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I'm not very far into the show yet but the show makes no sense to me from several points militarily. Why did they not build their fortress across a body of water and or a mountain? A mountain and water would leave the titans far more vulnerable, especially to cannon fire. A mountain would've prevented titans from getting running momentum to break down the wall as well as keep titans from using both hands. Why don't they have traps set outside the walls? Why are there no underground shelters to protect people and protect supplies such as the gas? As well as tunnels to transport by the walls? Also, tunnels could be used to ambush the enemy. Why do the soldiers scream when they attack; do they want to be heard and die? What happens at night? Do Titans sleep, can they not see well at night?
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