2008-08-25, 17:57 | Link #1025 | |
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Edit: Also isn't the clothes they're wearing a little too risque? I mean for crying out loud kuro-chan is wearing a thong. Isn't this enough for watashiya to get into trouble? Last edited by sumowow; 2008-08-25 at 23:05. |
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2008-08-26, 08:48 | Link #1027 |
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Actually it's more of the fact that they're usually naked on the inside of the manga, and the outside they're usually wearing clothes. Or did i miss something? Oh well i guess its no holds barred since it got cancelled in the US.
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2008-08-26, 17:45 | Link #1030 |
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We're more liberal, but not we're not goddamn pedos. I don't think that kind of cover, with naked children, would get green-lighted. And, uh, at least in France and in Belgium, pedophilia's a bit of a touchy subject these years.
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2008-08-27, 04:57 | Link #1031 | |
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Does seeing 24 (with Jack Baueur) makes you a killer? |
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2008-08-27, 07:24 | Link #1032 | |
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In france mb lol, for sure not here in hungary >< |
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2008-08-27, 15:16 | Link #1033 | |
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I'm talking about our societal taboos. While we can show breasts to advertise shampoo, and we occasionally see naked children in the news without the censors going apeshit, I think a series linking kids and sexuality as much as KnJ does, and showing so many naked children, especially on the goddamn covers, would be a bit much, even for us. You think those taboos are irrational? Fine, you're entitled to your opinion. |
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2008-08-27, 16:10 | Link #1034 | ||
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It's pretty clear though.
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Sorry to disapoint you, but viewing/reading about lolikon anime/manga doesn't makes you a "pedo", just like viewing/reading harry potter and 24 doesn't makes you a wizard and a killer. So watching KnJ doesn't makes you a pedo. Quote:
But now that you talk about that. A children is a human being, she/he has a gender (male or female), like anybody else in this society, stop talking about children like asexual beings. ( don't know if it's the correct word, but some people think that children don't have a specific gender until they goes to puberty.) I'm against forcing children to do things they don't want of course, I think someone who does something like that must have... capital punishment. (I tell you that, just so you don't misunderstand me) But, I'm also against people who doesn't go as far as their own nose. Like I said, whats the difference between watching: 1- Harry Potter? 2- KnJ 3- 24 4- A movie with a serial killer. All is FICTIVE, nothing is real. Does watching those makes you: a pedo? a killer? a wizard? Why do you have to tell "pedo" when you watch a lolikon anime, but not "killer" when you watch a movie about a killer? It's all the same thing. Now when we see a pedo we tell "it's KnJ fault/ it's anime fault" But... when we see a killer, why don't we tell the same thing? But, the 2 things (pedophilia and killing) are forbidden by the law... So... I'm outraged when I learn that KnJ got canceled, and that we can watch other things with murders, serial killers etc... freely, without nobody telling anything about it! |
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2008-08-27, 17:00 | Link #1035 | ||||
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Yes. I was writing hyperbolically of the statement that we're more liberal, and that KnJ could thus be OK in Europe. In effect, I was saying "Yes, we're more liberal when it comes to nudity. But not that liberal."
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2008-08-27, 17:18 | Link #1036 | ||||||
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Please pay attention here.
I'm talking about you using the word "pedo" AND NOTHING ELSE. Quote:
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Joke aside... I'm not. Not until they are at least 16-18. What I was talking about with children, is more of an understanding that other perverted things you think about. Well, I can't seems to explain it fully. I want to change mentality ( yea yea I know, I can't make it, i'm not "all mighty" xD) about things like "it's anime fault that they are pedo" ( Or like the thing with School Days ending also.) KnJ got canceled because it has a loli chara, true? ok. I want to cancel 24 because it has a serial killer in it, can I? Of course not, cause it's "normal" that a killer is not influenced by 24 to kill but a pedo is influenced by KnJ ( or other loli anime...) So what I want to tell is "just stop thinking as children can't think/act by themselves." That's just a stupid way of thinking. Quote:
Just put KnJ at midnight... kids are in beds at this hour. Anime is not only for kids. Movie is not only for adults. Quote:
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At least for me. Well, it's a bit touchy for "they". I will not deny that. ^^ Quote:
But then again, with the "material for pedophile"... "material for killers", I can just make a list of 200 000 pages with like... ALL the "american" action movies. That's just so a stupid way of thinking. ( Of course I'm not talking about yours, but whom thinking the way you describe it) BUT.. again, all this just because I was telling you not to use the word "pedo", because watching KnJ does not makes you a pedo (and you agree with that...) Matter closed for me. ( Yeah that's selfish, after I write all this I tell on my own that the matter is closed...) |
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2008-08-27, 20:51 | Link #1037 |
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The interesting thing lately in the US are all the crime shows (CSI, Law&Order) that are now airing plots involving pedophile crimes, telling stories about such situations. Many of them are fairly explicit and quite disturbing. Yet they air on prime time evening television and involve live actors.
Yet an animated story about a similar situation (but without violence and only potential crime) .. which is portrays a mixed bag of principles and ethics and to a large extent is a positive story about getting through such issues. Well that gets stopped dead from exportation Literature is full of such stories written with all sorts of slants ... some of them are required reading in humanities coursework.
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2008-08-28, 15:43 | Link #1038 |
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Maybe that's the problem. The moral of the story isn't good if the perp isn't caught. Considering the length of KnJ, to make it acceptable, Aoki will have to light Reiji on fire, drop kick him off a high cliff onto sharp rocks, and shoot what's left. With a bazooka.
Another problem is that Kokonoe isn't exactly presented as a helpless victim, here. Or Reiji as a complete monster. |
2008-08-29, 20:54 | Link #1039 | |
Kazumi sure is cute...
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Also why must the story end happily (or morally correct). This whole story could be a tragedy. It could end with reiji marrying rin against her will and making love to her before her 16th birthday, and mimi cutting her wrists because she couldn't have her true love reiji. We have no idea how the story will end up. Aoki is just as bad as reiji "technically. Rin has seen both of their dicks (at the very least the print of aoki's dick) Aoki kissed rin (willing or not), Aoki touched rin's breasts (or lack thereof...). Now regardless of aoki's intentions, these things happened. Is he really that much better than reiji? Or is intent more important than actions? For example is it okay to touch rin's breats if you think she is a male. Is it okay to have sex with a 15 year old girl if she tells you she is 18?
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