2012-10-30, 23:54 | Link #23 | |
A Proud Lolicon
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That's where I got my interest in Precure from.
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2012-10-31, 00:29 | Link #24 |
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I got into the franchise with Heartcatch, which is still my favorite.
I like Suite and Splash Star quite a bit, also. Though with Precure, there isn't much of an accepted "best to worst" ranking. You could easily find two people with exact opposite rankings of each season, (probably) excepting the sequel seasons. What I've seen of Max Heart and heard of GoGo suggests that they aren't as good as the ones they're based on.
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2012-10-31, 00:39 | Link #26 | |
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2012-11-02, 11:26 | Link #29 |
Mahjong Triple Pro
Join Date: Sep 2006
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When starting PreCure, you have to understand what the franchise is about.
It's schoolgirl drama + Dragonball Z style fights, with a magical backdrop. The main course of the show is the shoujo drama, so in that regard HeartCatch PreCure, Futari wa PreCure and Yes PreCure 5 are the best. HCPC and FWPC double by integrating the magical stuff with the drama, while in Yes 5 (outside of the mascots) the conflicts were mostly independent of the drama. Fresh is under-rated, IMV...a lot of people called it bad, but it was very different from everything before HCPC, and is a solid show, albeit not on the godly level of Yes and HCPC. Maybe even with FWPC when FWPC's second season + Max Heart is taken into account. Smile and Suite are bad, Suite because of storytelling problems and Smile because of an utter lack of story at all. There's a handful of good Smile episodes, like the recent character-focused ones, but we have to remember every episode in Yes was like that. Take away the shoujo drama, and Smile just becomes another moe show. It might be a good moe show, but that doesn't make it a good PreCure. I love Smile's characters, although they're louder stereotypes than Yes 5's cast, but I can't wait to get away from this anime. The lack of any continuous drama/development isn't a good trade-off for the otaku shout-outs, occasional humour and moe. When I look back at HCPC and season 1 of FWPC, I remember an endearing anime. When I look back at Smile, I think of something I just watched to burn time.
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2012-11-02, 15:09 | Link #30 |
panchi~
Join Date: Nov 2010
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I think you're running a little too fast and loose with your definition of what makes a good Precure series. Most of Smile's problems were far more evident in Fresh, which had a tonne of its own. Fresh had a plot when it felt like it, with an arbitrarily vague countdown timer and Fresh's gimmick episods (And the long swathes of filler, because what else do you call it when you can't see the countdown counting down) were borderline insulting.
Yes, Smile has no story to speak of and no real character development to speak of. The fact that it manages to be a consistently funny show despite this is its best defense. It's a different kind of Precure. It still has what I would consider the heart of a Precure series, and if you gave it a different name and took the spats off, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't mistake it for anything else. I wouldn't want it two years in a row, but it's nice to have once. Also I think someone here mentioned early in the Smile thread that to use the term 'moe' when describing Precure is pretty meaningless given its target demographic (And the fact Smile seems to be nailing its target demographic as well as the older fans). Slice of life would work better, or maybe just straight up comedy. I'll definitely agree with you that Yes has the very best character development in the franchise, though I'd also call it the least Precure-y. So yeah.
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2012-11-02, 19:48 | Link #31 | |
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There wasn't filler in Smile's sense where stuff is invented for one episode, then never visited again. Think Akane's rivalry with Nao during the beach episode, it happened once out of nowhere and has been forgotten. Compare that to how Milk was utterly intolerant of Nozomi for most of Yes 5 but grew much more tolerant/supportive as time went on after tons of interactions and altercations.
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2012-11-03, 00:01 | Link #32 |
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Fresh had some really out there episodes, like the one that makes the donut shop owner into some kind of superhero and another where it shows Miyuki with a danger room setup that would make the X-Men jealous... I can't say if they're never seen again, since I haven't finished the show, but they sure felt like they were pulled out of nowhere. It's nowhere near as bad of offender in this regard as Smile, but it isn't exactly free of it.
I agree on Suite having a lot of story problems, but Hummy really made the show for me... I can forgive a lot if there's a character I really like. Speaking of... Yayoi seems laser-targeted at Otaku.
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2012-11-03, 00:28 | Link #34 | |||
panchi~
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Don't get me wrong though, Setsuna's developing relationship with Love is one of the real gems of the franchise and more than enough reason by itself to watch Fresh. Quote:
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Also in regards to Yes, because I feel I need to explain myself further on this one, the aspect I wasn't so fond of was the romance angle. It really didn't help the Sailor Moon comparisons (Especially that GoGo movie) and it just seemed far less Precure-y because of that. Saying that, it's also my third favourite series after Splash Star and Heartcatch, and had FRIENDSHIP (Which to me is what Precure is all about) in spades too. Best character development and most shambolic plot. So I guess what this boils down to is I'm saying I liked all the series, including Smile, but do agree that Doki Doki should be its own beast.
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2012-11-24, 02:16 | Link #35 |
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Not sure if really legit, but Yaraon! had this article on Doki Doki Precure, with some (very small) images:
http://yaraon.blog109.fc2.com/blog-entry-13059.html There's also this image: http://i.imgur.com/5XkKC.jpg Of course it all may be completely false, for now. |
2012-11-24, 05:43 | Link #36 | |
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