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Hey guys. Was it ever stated somewhere how many vice admiral positions there are in the marines force? I know that 9 vice admirals have been shown so far in the present time, but is this the maximum number of positions for the vice admiral title?
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2008-09-17, 13:43 | Link #42 | |
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Hmm, I suppose what you say is plausible; the Marines as a whole seem to be more a representation of the peoples' government where as the World Govt. is more of a dictatorship. That in mind, I could see reason why there would be restrictions on high rank positions beyond mere qualification. For one, it's a kind of "easter egg" for the readers and two, it does serve a purpose to the WG as a whole: limiting the "people's power." Hmm... now I'm thinking deep... |
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It's a pretty standard statement, anyone who's seen the movie I ROBOT or anything pertaining to the idea of... "factory replacement" can get the vibe when you look at it a certain way. The World Government and the Marines operate in a way reminiscent to that of the Roman Emperor and the Senate; a kind of dual-dictatorship if you'll accept the phrasing. We all know that the major problem with this form of rule is that one, if not both, sides always want more. With this theory of mine floating about, any opinions on what the future hold for the One Piece world?
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2008-11-24, 10:48 | Link #44 | |
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2008-11-24, 10:53 | Link #45 | |
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There's more flak right now between the Marines and Shichibukai, but that's in another forum...
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2008-11-24, 10:57 | Link #46 | |
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Well duh. The shichibukai are reformed(Well, kinda) pirates! The marines are supposed to hate pirates. Then they're told that these seven are above the law? That alone should be enough to make some marines want to revolt. |
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Aokiji has a similar sense of "True Justice" though he likes to be a bit more... tactical in how he applies his authority. In fact, I'm pretty sure that's one reason why Smoker is currently trying to climb ranks so quickly. Quote:
The situation gets more and more hosed by the minute...
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2008-11-24, 13:28 | Link #53 | |
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2008-11-24, 18:11 | Link #55 | |
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One thing needs to be understood though. Just because Sengoku has the highest rank in the marines force (fleet admiral), it doesn't necessarily mean that he is stronger than the admirals. The admirals are the highest ranked fighters in the whole marines force, hence the reason why those three men are referred to as the ultimate assault force and known as having the highest battle potential. Sengoku's main job is to oversee all the activities that are going on within the whole marines force, and thus delegate most to all mandates (authoritative orders or commands if you will) being carried out. He himself really doesn't get directly involved in any affairs concerning pirates and their crimes of piracy. If there are any pirates that have become severe nuisances or serious threats, the vice admirals or admirals (if the pirates are extremely dangerous and formidable) would be dispatched to deal with them. Furthermore, like Whitebeard, Garp, and Rayleigh, I would be willing to bet that Sengoku is no longer in his fighting prime any more, and thus his strength has diminished somewhat over the years. Because of his age, he may be a little weaker than the current admirals. Even if he is though, Sengoku far outclasses them in terms of experience and he definitely has better leadership skills than they do. I would also suspect that he is more intelligent than they are, since occupying the position of fleet admiral would presumably require outstanding credentials outside of just being super strong. Fleet admiral is a position of great responsibility, and only the overall best candidate is suitable for it. So to reiterate my point, Sengoku may not be as strong as the admirals, in which strength in this case is just one aspect, but in terms of experience, leadership, and intelligence, he is superior to them in those categories and therefore he is the overall best candidate for fleet admiral.
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It's been a while since there's been any discussion in here. I wanted to take a moment to talk about Vice Admiral John Giant. You see, I've always been curious as to why he was the one who dispatched the 5 vice admirals for the buster call on Enies Lobby (Chapter 409 - Pages 6 and 7) considering he is a vice admiral himself. So, my first question is, what exactly gave him the authority to implement the buster call? Was it simply that Aokiji gave him the permission to execute it?
Secondly, we know that it is not an arbitrary decision as to which vice admirals are assigned for that task; the selections are based on which ones happen to be the closest to Marine Headquarters (or within the area) at the time (Chapter 409 - Pages 6 and 7). But there is a slight problem here. John Giant was literally stationed at the Marine Headquarters at the time the buster call was requested, meaning that he was readily available whenever he was needed. With that being said, how come he wasn't one of the 5 vice admirals who participated in the buster call at Enies Lobby? Is it because he has more seniority and/or experience over the other vice admirals? Perhaps he plays more of a leadership role in the marines force, as in he is the one who oversees the activities of the vice admirals? This has really caught my attention. On a side note, if you notice carefully, John Giant is the only other marine besides Sengoku who has an assortment of medals and ribbons attached to his jacket (Chapter 96 - Page 7). Something tells me that he is going to end up being one of the most important marine characters in the near future, and that he may even play a very big role later on.
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^Added to that, Giant, Garp, and Tsuru were the first Vice-Admirals introduced in the series, with Giant being the first Vice-Admiral introduced, so I wouldn't be surprised if he holds massive sway with the Marines probably comparable to Garp.
Additionally, I have always wondered if the 3 Admirals had any connection with the three aforementioned Vice-Admirals. From an ethical standpoint (i.e. their individual views on "Justice"), Garp and Aokiji have a more lax view, Giant and Akuinu have a more stringent absolute view, and Tsuru and Kizaru do not have enough information to know where they stand on the matter (though they appear to be some where in the middle). That being said, it is possible that his appreance is misleading, that he is really just an administrative person, a Vice-Admiral that controls the accounting division, or something to that effect. |
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Now, I am not to be credited for this, but someone on another forum I visit came up with (what I feel) a very good way of describing Kizaru's sense of justice. That person described Kizaru's justice as "Desultory Justice". The word "desultory" is very fitting and appropriate for Kizaru's behaviour; he is reckless, goofy, indiscriminate, and aimless, in his actions. He destroyed a whole mangrove tree and some pirates with a kick all because he didn't get his question concerning the whereabouts of Sentoumaru answered; he messed around with 4 supernovas who had nothing to do with the matter at hand all because of his own incompetence in getting confused on which den den mushi was used to contact someone; and he resorted to capturing 500 pirates since he couldn't apprehend the primary culprits of the Auction House incident. All of these actions of his pretty well describe him as being "desultory", and hence I too feel that it is fitting to classify his justice as "Desultory Justice".
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i.e.: moral + absolute = desultory [OR] moral < desultory > absolute |
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Corruption runs deep in the world government, their sense of justice is weak (compromising with the Sichibukai, bowing down to the Tenryuubito despite their blatant crimes, approving of the slave trade and discrimination in shabondy archipelago,etc.), so they use "absolute force" to rule...no matter how bad or flawed it is, only the strong can implement their justice in the world. The marines, on the other hand, are comparatively weak, so they only "do their job" and "follow orders". I think the only exception to this is Luffy's grandfather, he seems to be taking things lightly where others showed (almost) blind obedience.
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