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View Poll Results: Hanasaku Iroha - Episode 8 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 11 | 16.92% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 25 | 38.46% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 16 | 24.62% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 7 | 10.77% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 4 | 6.15% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 1 | 1.54% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 1 | 1.54% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
Voters: 65. You may not vote on this poll |
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2011-05-23, 01:00 | Link #61 | |||
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Loved it... this episode falls into the category of "so good it makes time fly"... I mentally cursed when the credits rolled, thought there was like five minutes left. Next episode can't come soon enough.
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Enishi/Tomoe could be amusing... it would make Tomoe Ohana's aunt, which could result in some amusing honourifics.
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2011-05-23, 01:10 | Link #63 |
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No, but he at least met their criteria to work there, and Fukuya is certainly on a higher rank than Kissuiso, so he wouldn't have trouble getting a job there (if the manager puts in the good word) or anywhere of the same level.
And I didn't say he went there a head chef
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2011-05-23, 01:25 | Link #64 |
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Well, logically Ohana should have ordered Takako to go pick up Tohru, since she has a vehicle. But Ohana is bullheaded, not smart... and I can certainly think of some braindead things I've done over the years.
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2011-05-23, 01:42 | Link #65 |
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Yes, bullheaded would be an accurate way to describe Ohana. Thanks for that.
To be fair, while this isn't all that different from Ohana running from inn to inn in order to stop Tooru from leaving, except that in that case she was going to make an appeal to the management there (still she ended up running out of breath and it was a rash decision) the reason this one rubs me the wrong way is how many things are illogical about it ... and understanding WHY it happened in this manner (writers want Ohana + Tooru -> have Ko-chan see them = Misunderstanding somehow) that make me have such an impression. So, while it's not entirely OOC (she has done it before, she has the personality) really, there is much wrong about it that I can't just put it under the rug and try not to notice it.
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2011-05-23, 01:44 | Link #66 | |
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Borderline absurdity at times? That was already met by things like the treatment of Ohana's mother for example. No problem there. But they definitely pushed it much too far in other episodes. Did we sign up for a more earnest story, or a more inebriated one? Jumping between the two is very jarring.
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2011-05-23, 01:44 | Link #67 |
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first part is great,
2nd part is so blatantly forced it's not even funny. too much bad memories from your typical live action drama series makes me not wanting to like this episode. Weaker than the character development episode last time for sure.
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2011-05-23, 01:53 | Link #68 | ||||||||
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Remember, time is of the essence here. In such a situation, quick actions are often necessary in order to resolve problems in a beneficial way. I like how Hana-Saku Iroha portrays that realistically and sincerely in this episode. When you're struck with a desperate situation, sometimes you have to respond to it with an equally desperate reaction in order to get things to work out. It might work out messily and chaotically, but at least it will (hopefully) work out. Tohru is a dependable cook, and as others have rightly argued on this thread, Kissuiso needs that much more desperately than it needs an inexperienced waitress. What he can bring in a customer service role takes considerable priority over what Ohana can, imo. Quote:
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So her bull headed nature is appropriately hit-and-miss, I think. Sometimes it works wonders, while other times it backfires. Ohana is actually a bit like a shounen hero this way. It does make her a more intriguing character for me. You don't usually see shounen hero-esque traits like that in a moe female lead. Quote:
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If Ohana asked Takako to go after Tohru right after disagreeing totally with Takako and getting the Inn staff to go against her, I think there's a good chance Takako would have refused. Or made her helping Ohana conditional in a way that Ohana couldn't agree with it.
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There were ways, equally efficient, to solve the problem of getting Tooru there and helping Ren without having Ohana going off like that. The problem is that she didn't think about it at all, and no one tried to help her in anyway other than giving her a bike. The thing is, while this is certainly a desperate situation, it didn't require an equally desperate reaction to be solved. It needed a calm, collected reaction, much like the one she gave a minute previously I might add. There were a lot of things in this episode that were presented in a realistic and sincere light. Ohana rushing out was not one of them in my very humble opinion. Quote:
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And I disagree, Ohana made the right decision in going there imo, as unlike this case the ones who could go and stop Tooru (Minchi and Ren) where pretty reluctant about not going (or aware of the truth ) so she took on herself to confront the issue. In here she reacted pretty impulsively without much thinking. Quote:
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What she's wearing isn't suitable for the city, nor for biking to the train station. This is her work uniform, and its for work. I suppose this is the least of my problems with her rushing out, but it's really irresponsible to go outside in her work kimono, where it might get damaged, when she should be thinking about how she will then serve the customers. Quote:
What if she arrived there and the wedding was already over? What if she got the place wrong? What if her uniform was damaged, how will she serve the customers? etc. So many things wrong about it. Maybe your right, I might be making too big a deal about this, but something about it certainly made me feel that there was a mistake made, and when I got thinking about it, it didn't add up. It made me view the episode in a different light, where I might have enjoyed it more had there not been such a clumsy attempt to put Ohana in town just when Ko is coming to see her.
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2011-05-23, 03:13 | Link #70 |
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Still very surprised at the episode rating disparity, particularly at how episode 7 is rated on average higher than this one. And there's people complaining about the lack of reasonable belief of this episode when the previous one had LARPERS where their goal was to peep/stalk on the female staff and Tomoe ejected them out with a superpowered hose.
So over-exaggerated "anime-comedy" is ok but a somewhat "cliche dramatic plot" that does have some questionable actions is not? Last edited by Pocari_Sweat; 2011-05-23 at 03:25. |
2011-05-23, 03:19 | Link #71 | ||||
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She's very good at recognizing when problems are arising, and of developing a good general idea of how to rectify those problems, but her follow-through execution of all of that is a bit chaotic because she can let her emotions and sense of urgency get the best of her. Sometimes this works out for the best anyway. Other times it doesn't. In this instance, I'm prepared to say that Ohana didn't consider all the ways of getting in contact with Tohru, and hence just jumped into action, using the first idea that came to her. I think that part of the issue is that while Ohana wants other people to like her, she doesn't really trust other people, and this can cause her to become overly self-reliant. And that's probably why her chosen method of reaching Tohru puts all the onus on her, and nobody else. This is another way in which she's like a certain denizen of Gotham City. Does this all make it a bad or mistaken decision? Well, I tend to judge decisions by their results, by if they work out or not. My sense is that things will work out here (i.e. Tohru will arrive back at the Inn to "save the day"), but I could be wrong of course. You're judging Ohana's decisions by how logical and efficient they are, regardless of results. I think that's important, but for me, the ultimate results of a decision are what counts the most. That's why we differ both on Ohana's "rushing off" decision in this episode, and on her decision a few episodes back to stampede into Fukuya in order to get Tohru back. If Ohana had not made that decision, she would have spared herself quite a bit of embarrassment, in my opinion. Not to mention sparing herself fanning the flames of added conflict between her and Minchi over Tohru. But, in both cases, her decisions reflect a bull headed and impulsive nature for Ohana. If nothing else, I think we can appreciate how the anime has handled her character very well, and has made her character consistent. Quote:
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Anyway, I can certainly respect your desire for plot believability, and a desire to avoid plot contrivances. I value that too, but I guess that at the end of the day, I'll usually let things slide a bit more if it means good drama.
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2011-05-23, 03:39 | Link #72 | |
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2011-05-23, 04:00 | Link #73 |
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I'll laugh if Ko decides to help in the inn for Ohana during this busy time. And then in the end it turns out he was the mystery guest and the staff is shocked that they made him work.
Also do you think in her younger days, Sui was working for her husband until they fell in love? Does this imply anything for the future of Enishi and Tomoe? The demographic of this show is Shonen, so maybe that is why w have a shonen-esq character? Last edited by deadite; 2011-05-23 at 04:30. |
2011-05-23, 06:05 | Link #74 | |
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Whereas Episode 7 was a clear and zany break from the slightly heavier character development episodes that preceded it, Episode 8 pushes the story forward reminiscent of Episodes 1 and 2. We realise the owner has health problems of her own but refuses to let it affect her ryokan, we see everyone's game faces when the going gets tough (and when tough seemingly get going >.>;;;), we see Ohana "manning up" (for lack of a better term) and taking charge of the situation, and we see potential misunderstanding after misunderstanding with Kou coming down at the same time as Ohana goes after Tohru (as well as Ohana potentially interrupting something pretty heavy). I will admit, it was quite a coincidence for the ryokan to "just suddenly" get a bucketload of customers all at once (though methinks we'll get a reason for this when this arc resolves itself), and the "misunderstanding situations" look like they'll be played completely straight for the drama. However, it's all to develop the characters involved further, so I'm intrigued as to see what direction they're gonna take all of the little offshoots sprouted by this particular episode. O-O~
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2011-05-23, 07:17 | Link #76 | |
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Did you watch the preview for episode 9? That alone leads me to think he's right. And you know what? I want him to be right. I do not want this to turn into a drama and "never look back". I'm already loving the show for what it is: a heartwarming, lighthearted, and sometimes absurd coming of life story that is always incredibly enjoyable to watch. It's amazingly fun and relaxing to watch, and it's exactly what I was looking for. That's the reason I love Hanasaku a lot more than Anohana, which has too much drama (it feels a bit forced at times, which really annoys me) for my tastes. Too bad I'm apparently the only one.
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2011-05-23, 07:24 | Link #77 | |
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I could see him being the mystery guest,would explain why he's in the area,though I wonder if he wouldn't be the mystery guest at the rival inn. I also hate missunderstanding that last too long so I'm hoping that there won't be one.
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2011-05-23, 07:57 | Link #79 | ||
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It's kind of the same for Takako. I wouldn't honestly trust her to be able to negotiate for an employee to come back to work on the spur of the moment. And unlike Jiromaru, you can't exactly rely on to even make the attempt. So no. sending Ohana really ISN'T that outrageous of an idea. Because even though we like her and her attitude, objectively speaking she's the lowest utility worker they have that can still be reliably trusted to get a more important employee on his day off to come back. I think we have an inflated sense of how important Ohana is due to her being the main character. Perhaps this isn't the 100% optimal way to try to salvage the situation, but I can't agree that it's necessarily a bad way. That's what decision making is. It's not to spend hours or days (like we are in this discussion) thinking of the most optimal way to solve a time critical problem. It's coming up with a decent course of action then doing it. And to be perfectly honest, it wasn't like anyone else there was coming up with a viable plan of action. Quote:
Going for the former is not necessarily an illogical strategy. Ohana might not necessarily be calculating all this, but the course of action she's taking is not necessarily the worst one she could take. I'll point out that military leaders often need to make these kind of decisions to. The best military leaders we remember are the ones who took risks that paid off. The mediocre or horrible generals we remember sometimes are the ones who took horrible risks that backfired disastrously, but sometimes the ones who never decided to risk anything are the worst. |
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If Ohana continues to "sparkle" as she did in this episode, and if Menma continues to cry constantly, then I may well end up liking Hanasaku more than I do Anohana. I echo acejem's sentiments that this is one week where I liked the Hanasaku episode more than I did the Anohana one.
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