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2009-04-14, 18:32 | Link #902 | ||
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More tank nerdism, ignore if you're not into that
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Good call on headlight (that's what it looks like at least), however track guards you point out are actually more of the old WW1 model type. You'll note that all of the tiger series has the singular large wheels as well, unlike edelweiss. The reason for the change came from the different demand on the tank speed and handling - tanks in ww1 were designed around supporting infantry in trench warfare advance, where they generally had to move at speed comparable to that of a running soldier in full gear. In WW2, tanks became an autonomous attacking unit, and as a result the flank speed on bad terrain had to go up significantly. Small wheel base was no longer practical, and given room for harder to manifacture and more expensive set of single row of large wheels instead. If my memory of old history lessons serves me right, the reason for that track guard configuration was due to different threats to the tank. In WW1, tanks often got disabled by infantry grenades falling from above, getting stuck on top of one of the tracks and exploding, ripping the track apart. In WW2 the main threat was anti-tank penetrator weapons fired ballistically at the tank, so the tank hulls became vertically depressed, becoming shorter in height but wider to compensate for loss of internal volume. This made tank a harder target to hit, and even in case of a successful hit, the ballistic form of hull and turret had a chance to deflect the shell (like what happened to edelweiss in this episode). This meant that hull actually partially covered the tracks from the top (as seen in the image you link on tiger2), and track guard only had to cover the top side of the track to avoid grenades getting thrown in from the side - not the top as well. This is clearly not the case on edelweiss, which still has the pre-ww2 period configuration hull, which is "stuck" between two tracks, with no wide-body hull on top of the tracks. It does have the ballistically shaped low profile turret through, which is what makes it look so weird and out of place. What makes it especially out of place is the turret size, as the turrets essentially grew larger as bearing and motor technology advanced, allowing to fit more instruments into the turret rather then having to put them into the hull. Which is why having the large hull of WW1 tank and a turret of WW2 tank just doesn't make sence - there is no need to have so much room inside the tank. Though the ridiculous amount of free room inside edelweiss, as seen in ep2 seems to collaborate that. Finally there is width of the tracks. Higher speed requirements as well as increased weight caused tank tracks to get wider to allow tank to function properly. You'll notice that tiger2 tracks appear at least twice as wide as those on edelweiss, while being just about right for Panzer 3 and Panzer 4 tank. Quote:
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2009-04-14, 18:34 | Link #903 | |
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we'll just have to wait and see what Sega do, I'm guessing that wait is either gonna be a long one or forever and still I don't how Alicia is compared to Louise, Alicia hasn't hit Welkin yet(and bumping into someone doesn't count-__-), she may be somewhat tsun but no where near Louises level.
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2009-04-14, 18:34 | Link #904 |
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To be frank, the game's story was nothing to write home about. Relatively original? Sure, but nothing amazing. The development of the characters however was the cornerstone of the game's plot for me. Sure they may have had baaaaad cases of Cutscene Incompetence more than a few times, but still.
So when you have a quartet of goodness based around (somewhat-)accurate military information, excellent gameplay and good character development supporting an average story, and you hand characters the Idiot Ball and move to a medium without the gameplay... well... to me that says train-wreck. To you it may not. |
2009-04-14, 18:41 | Link #905 | |
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To the jackass-MTV generation, it's not about the content, it's about the delivery! And nothing delivers like a train wreck |
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2009-04-14, 19:40 | Link #907 | |
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2009-04-14, 19:45 | Link #908 | |
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I was actually amused that Alicia was giving out all the orders in the tank in episode 2. I actually don't think they changed Alicia that much from the game incarnation. |
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2009-04-14, 19:52 | Link #909 |
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We'll see how the anime fares, but apparently the game was wildly successful in Japan, and Kotaku and other sources reported that the creators would like to do a sequel eventually - it probably already has enough exposure even without the anime. We know VC didn't do too well in the West (blame Sega for bad marketing and release timing), so we just have to pray that an eventual sequel will be localized also. Probably the best thing that could happen right now would be for the anime to get licensed - more exposure in the West could work in favor of an eventual western release of the second game.
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Therefore, at some levels, it can be accepted that the Edelweiss can cruiser at a higher speed (60KM/H vs. 40KM/H of the King tiger). Quote:
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2009-04-14, 19:56 | Link #911 | |
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Either way she's still the Alicia i know and love. She hasn't changed much at all from the game to this adaptation.
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2009-04-14, 20:06 | Link #913 | |
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1. Susie's 'existing'. She's in the game. 2. Love triangle? Someone's jumping the gun.
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2009-04-14, 21:41 | Link #918 |
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After i watch episode 2 i notice the Edelweiss turret doesn't seem to be rotating while driving at full speed i might called that tank the StugIII. This assault tank has more credits kills than the panther and tiger due low silhouette hull design and very difficult to spot. Last edited by PzIVf3; 2009-04-14 at 22:22. Reason: loaded scan failed |
2009-04-14, 22:41 | Link #919 | |
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Something like this would be quite a doctrine shift from the giant columns of men and machines that steam rolls over the opposition. An Imp. rapid strike unit probably has to commit 6 pieces of armour [plus command car] for every 50 men. The Gallian's cannot fight like this due to inherent manpower limits. I get the impression that they have few professional soldiers/officers, the bulk of their army consist of conscripts and local militias. Covering that weakness with better CNC somehow would be an advantage. It would take a revolutionary of some sort willing to secret away and support the development of a new type of field command unit to use in a future war. Such shifts usually happens on the very fringe of contemporary thinking and would take a while to spread [like tank Calvary in WW2]. If that's the case, the Edel is a step in that direction though not quite there yet. |
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