2012-04-21, 20:04 | Link #181 | |
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But still, I totally agree with you on the cliche itself. It really is overly used (I can think of 3 or 4 very recent/currently airing anime that it applies to, and that's off the top of my head). Just once, I'd like to see it subverted, and I'd give out bonus points if it's subverted with 'Opposite Gender Char B' being a 'magical girlfriend' type (i.e. an alien, an android, an actual magical girl, etc...).
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2012-04-21, 20:25 | Link #182 |
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Unrequited love? That's a cliche that happens too much in real life.
On that one... Deal with it. === And I'm sure this has been mentioned before on this same subject. How about idiots who can't tell if person A likes him/her? I can sorely relate to this, as it had occurred so many times in my own life, by which I had denied myself many opportunities at romance, just because I was either dense, arrogant, and/or stupid. It's easier to criticize others and fictional characters on this. To criticize oneself on the same matter - it is painfully more difficult. And it sucks when one is aware of it. Eh... such is the way of drama. Things are entertaining that way - boring otherwise.
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2012-04-21, 20:35 | Link #183 | |
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I think people are just weirded out by their childhood friends being in love with them suddenly. In my opinion, that'd be like being confessed to by your brother. Please just give me a series where the childhood friend ISN'T interested in the main character and remains a supportive friend!
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2012-04-21, 20:56 | Link #184 |
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I think only I have a problem with this but anyway:
Overcome everything No, I'm not saying this in a shounen way. But rather, my point is when someone dies, almost every single character I know (or most probably 80-90% of them) has a major breakdown when someone dear to them dies but in the next second/episode/whatever, they decide they can't be sad forever and magically overcome their sadness. Ok, we do have to move on with our lives. But it's not that easy, nor does it happen this time with most people. So why most characters just move on like nothing happened at all? Edit: It seems my post wasn't clear lol "I blame it on time constraints" was related to "I blame this cliché on the time constrainsts of the series itself". Dude, getting bad reputation because of something as simple as this... Last edited by Yuna Amakura; 2012-04-22 at 19:15. |
2012-04-21, 20:56 | Link #185 | |
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Some cliches and tropes are simply used too much, period, end of story. Whatever rationale is behind it, it's seen so often that it becomes tiresome to some of us. And the cliche that furbam mentioned is one I see an awful lot, and it's genuinely become tiresome to me. The main reason for this is that it's caused many romantic conflicts to become way too predictable, totally draining drama and suspense out of situations where it might otherwise be there in pleasing amounts. What fun is a love triangle when you're 99.9% certain of who's going to "win" it after just the first two or three episodes? Love triangles are much, much more fun when there's some real doubt as to who will emerge victorious in them. It would be great to see this anime cliche subverted for a change simply for the sheer surprise factor, honestly.
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2012-04-21, 21:04 | Link #186 | ||
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Honestly, I can't say it's "realistic". Sure, I agree that it is more common for that to happen, but it is not anymore realistic for the opposite to happen as well. Personally, I think that the very nature of the scenario I mentioned is rather backwards. Your companion should be your best friend, or one of your best friends, rather that someone who doesn't know you as well. Logically, I say that a relationship that is so obscure as to whether you are lovers or just friends(assuming no one tries to define their relationship) is the one that would have the most weight. Toradora's Taiga and Ryuuji are a good example.
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2012-04-21, 22:06 | Link #187 | ||
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My two best friends and my cousin are all happily married to men they dated without becoming best friends with them first. So I can't agree with that statement. Quote:
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2012-04-22, 04:06 | Link #188 |
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It is also noted that most anime love triangles (counting the manga versions) nowadays aren't done so well, but there's some exceptions to this rule. If they make matters worse with a main male character who can't choose between two girls in the whole 12-episodes anime and ends up with no one, then fans aren't going to be happy.
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2012-04-22, 06:30 | Link #191 | ||
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This isn't as strange as you're making it out to be. In fact, for some people, it's a positive. Why do you think cousin marriages are actually not that uncommon in some parts in the world? Why do you think the incest trope is so prevalent in anime? A lot of people find the idea of entering into a romance with people they already know, and know well, comforting. Quote:
But my view is that if a love triangle is going to play a significant role in a story, it ought to have an element of unpredictability to it. Otherwise, what's the point? Why throw up an easy obstacle to a main pairing, an obstacle that nobody thinks has a real chance of stopping the main pairing from succeeding? It's no different, in my mind, than having easy/weak antagonist that get beat with hardly a challenge. I'd like to recommend an anime to you, Chiibi. True Tears. If you watch that anime, I'd like to know your take on its love triangle after you finish it.
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It's the whole "I've-been-playing-with-you-since-we-were-three-and-you-made-a-promise-to-marry-me-and-it's-thirteen-years-later-now-and-I-expect-you-to-keep-it" thing that makes me go "WTF when does that happen in real life EVER?" Quote:
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2012-04-25, 16:31 | Link #195 |
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I'm going to say right now it's the overly bitchy yet also overly competent female lead that has teh best grades, is teh best at sports, and is teh hawtest, richest most popular girl in school/academy/group or whatever; who the male lead is either infatuated with or outright revolted by to start, but when they meet she cows said hapless male lead into following her around doing weird stuff and is essentially just put on display to do nothing other than humiliate him and show how "amazing" she is until he "come to accept it and love her" in this weird sort of Stockholm-Syndrome like way. Talk about unhealthy relationships to have.
NisiOisin is like the champ at this hands down, the Haruhi series probably got the ball rolling, but now it's kind of played out and I see it in a lot of other stuff too and I've just grown tired of it. It's quite a relief to see a lot of shows this season with competent but not socio-pathic harem queen like female leads. |
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I know, girls can be scary yeah? Let me ask you though, do you not like the "being super perfect and drags around willing underlings" part or the "female" part? You might want to watch Maid-Sama! because the female protagonist got this trope reversed right on to her with the male protag. You could use that show to extract revenge to this trope you hate.
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2012-04-25, 18:31 | Link #198 | ||
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I've watched True Tears, and it's one of my favourite romance anime out there. The childhood-friend angle is played pretty traditionally (including the sandle-fix; if your femal childhood friend falls in love with you - requitted or unrequitted - you probably fixed a sandal for her at some point), but it works beautifully because (a) it's very in character for both childhoodfriends, (b) there are reasons other than utter shyness why they didn't talk, and (c) the respective decisions are very intricately mirrored in other decisions the characters make. At no point is the outcome obvious, but in retrospect you'll get the tematic connections. And - most importantly - the show places no value judgement on whether or not the decision was the right one. Quote:
Seriously, it depends on what you're doing with the element in question. A cliché is a cliché only if it raises the predictable feelings. About Kimi ni Todoke, it's debatable if that even counts as a triangle (since it's obvious that the male main has no romantic interest in rival girl). The point of said triangle (should it even count) is entirely Sawako's character development. |
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2012-04-25, 18:42 | Link #199 | |
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I'm not out for any sort of reversal or revenge type thing (I'm aware there's an actual a fetish genre for this sort of thing called "Ryona"), I just don't see the need for gender relations to be portrayed in such an unhealthy manner unless there actually trying to make a point with it instead of playing it for laughs, which usually seems to be the case. I mean when I look at this sort of thing it's no small wonder there's a lot of social awkwardness between genders in Japan that's leading to declining birth rates in Japan. That's really all there is too it. |
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2012-04-25, 18:55 | Link #200 |
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Actually about the whole "perfect" bitchy female lead thing, I find myself more annoyed on how the characters react to them. It's the fact that stories always try to paint her in the right and everyone else is wrong for not bowing to her, sort of like a black hole that sucks up all interest and morality.
The ultimate problem is that I get the feeling that there's no reason to support such an obnoxious character despite the story's attempt to shill her along with the cast shilling her. It can be patronizing and insulting at times. Which makes it kinda funny, because in Medaka box, my problem is with the supporting cast though jury is out on that one. A male equivalent (though extreme) is like 80s movie action asshole anti-heroes, most notably MD Geist. For something that goes around the issue in a less obnoxious manner and mocks it really, there's Inu x Boku SS In the end, you could use Kemono no Souja Erin for a respectable female lead.
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