2010-01-13, 13:39 | Link #1541 |
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IIRC, didn't Nanoha says in the first series that she feels she's been set apart by her own family and feels like being somehow the "black sheep", even if they didn't want her to feel it that way ?
Anyway, I think there's no age limit to be "emo", it depends on how much pent-up feelings you have, and to how much you can cope with it until having to release the excess. Andy00 gives a very good explanation. And btw, all the talks about "emonoha" and the "largeness" of the eyes of the character are REALLY TIRING, frankly, some people here, seems to love to make a mountain the size of Olympus Mons out of a molehill. Last edited by Der Langrisser; 2010-01-13 at 14:26. |
2010-01-13, 16:02 | Link #1543 |
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Emonoha is not a stroke of genius. How it was brought up and how it was executed, down to the involved scene, it boiled down to poor writing.
If - Nanoha was at lunch with her friends, Arisa and Suzuka, talking about their purpose in life and their place on Earth, only to have this kind of conversation shrugged off by Suzuka and Arisa, it might have come out better. Evangelion, while infamous for Shinji screaming on the chair, used a little more subtle mechanism to show Shinji when he was "lost". He stayed in the train, listening to his walkman, until the train hit the terminus and resumed its run. It was subtle, it conveyed lack of purpose and motivation as it should. Screaming one's lungs out at the sky is not. It makes anyone roll their eyes in disbelief. Especially when said character is nine year old. |
2010-01-13, 17:14 | Link #1545 |
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It has long stopped to be a debate, to become incessant nitpicking on the same few things, over and over and over again..., constantly rehashing "emonoha" is bad, "large" eyes are bad, isn't a debate, just old shmuck rambling.
There's so much negativity here, I could up with a chainsaw, it seems more like the AS-Nano now serve mostly for its members to spill their discontent. |
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Sure, I could just ignore the ranting altogether, but it is hard to ignore when it seems to bring up a larger discussion than the movie itself.
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2010-01-13, 18:02 | Link #1548 |
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Well, despite my initial dislike of her, I have to admit that I'm curious to see how the movie will handle Nanoha and what little we've seen of her personality based off the movie manga. It's probably the most interesting point, for me, is how they're going to handle her sudden emo-ness and what effect it will have on the overall story and her bond with Fate.
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2010-01-13, 18:18 | Link #1549 | |
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Though tbh, I don't expect the movie to have much focus on Nanoha's emo-scenes. I believe they were placed in the manga for a reason. But who knows, she may act differently in certain parts because of what happened in the manga. What I don't think, is that the director intends to change the reason Nanoha wants to become friends (and save) with Fate.
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2010-01-13, 18:23 | Link #1550 |
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Once more : this is in no way sudden.
Her distress was there back in S1, she talked about it and you could easily feel that she didn't feel quite well. Her discussion with Arisa and Suzuka also proved, back in S1, that she was pessimistic about her future. Now, we certainly didn't see her panic and scream like she does in the manga, but it doesn't change anything : instead of having lenghty explanations on Nanoha state of mind, the job is done with one page. I think that was a wise choice : ).
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2010-01-13, 18:23 | Link #1551 | |
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*Finished Blue side and goes on to Red* Andy made a reasonable justification for it. However, as Sakuya put it, the handling came across somewhat odd.
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2010-01-13, 18:27 | Link #1552 | |
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2010-01-13, 18:32 | Link #1553 |
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Even back in S1, Nanoha telling Fate about herself came out as odd to me. I mean, she had a nearly perfect family, with loving parents and siblings, she had good friends, all she lacked was an awesome Onizuka-like teacher.
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2010-01-13, 18:54 | Link #1554 | |
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I also would like to point out that Nanoha had been very emotive (not exactly emo, but not too far) all along S1 with regards to Fate. She pursues her desperately like if her life depended on it. No need to mention last episode either. With such a personality, I'm not surprise that she breaks down in the manga .
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2010-01-13, 23:31 | Link #1556 |
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"Especially when said character is nine year old. "
....so, you're telling me nine year olds do not express pain over feelings they don't understand? Her maturity was such that she refused to make it other people's problem. What especially drives me as amusing is looking back at the first season; where every monologue we had from her at the beginning of each episode insists that the ONLY reason she's doing this is for peace. She's a NORMAL girl! REALLY! (She doth protest too much) She can't possibly...._want_ the power. She can't WANT to be something that the Japanese mindset for women wouldn't ever allow; right? Remember, traditionally Magical Girls are supposed to be a mistake. "I'm sorry for doing this to you, heroics are needed now. Don't worry, you'll can become a trophy wife just like your male-oriented society insists you should have. If the only males available though aren't as strong as you'll, you'll eventually get to remove your powers forever so you get to be a housewife. Yaaay! Nanoha: HELL no. |
2010-01-14, 02:06 | Link #1558 | |
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It's supposed to make me care for her. But no! It slipped into narm territory, where supposed dramatic moments turned unintentionally comedic. Nanoha screaming at the sky is on the same level as Darth Vader screaming "Nooooooo" at the end of Episode III. And where the hell did I bring the place of women in Japan? I don't give two shit about it. So your little talk about it just fly over my head in a wooosh full of indifference. Edit: I am talking from a WRITING point of view. The fact that you suddenly bring up the pseudosociologic angle in your argument is not sitting well with me. Last edited by Sheba; 2010-01-14 at 03:45. |
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2010-01-14, 06:28 | Link #1559 | |
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The only 'excuse' i can easily see is that it's the point- Nanoha, in the movie, tries to pretend she is cheerful and happy all the time, because she feels he has it good. Hell, she *knows* she has it good, and doesn't understand why she shouldn't take things with grace. So she bottles it up until she finds a 'safe' way to release it when no one's looking. So in some way it was to point out the dichotomy of Movie!Nanoha. And, yeah, that's looking too much into it. |
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2010-01-14, 10:44 | Link #1560 |
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I'm still baffled as to why they make it such a point with Movie!Nanoha when Series!Nanoha found better ways of handling it, but I can't understand exactly how the writer's mind works. I guess I'll have to wait for the movie to come out and see if it explains anything better.
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