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GundamZZ · 2013-01-20, 22:37

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Originally Posted by FateAnomaly

Just got around to watching this. Wasn't expecting much but it turns out to be not bad. However, i am not sure what maou and yuusha objective is here. Maou wants to make the humans stronger so they wouldn't fight and thus achieving peace? Wouldn't it just make them stronger so they can war better and kill more of her own people?

Anyway, do the characters actually get to have names?

No, they are archtypes or stereotypes by intention.

Maou believes the humans fight for resources, so they wage wars. So, she wants to solve the hunger in southern kingdoms. In real life, this type of enemy leader doesn't exist. Since we are talking about a fiction, it's up to you to overlook it.

orion · 2013-01-20, 22:50

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Originally Posted by ogon_bat

That is another can of worms, if Maou did betrayed Hero it might not affect DVD/BD sales. If Maou at some point says she is not a virgin (which is utterly irrelevant to the story and to be expected from a demon girl) the disc sales would be cut in half (at least).

But she's a demon monarch. Can't have half demon or full demon illegitimate kids running around as potential throne candidates. Line of succession has to be guaranteed when she gets married. So she has another reason to be virgin.

Anh_Minh · 2013-01-20, 22:53

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Originally Posted by FateAnomaly

Just got around to watching this. Wasn't expecting much but it turns out to be not bad. However, i am not sure what maou and yuusha objective is here. Maou wants to make the humans stronger so they wouldn't fight and thus achieving peace? Wouldn't it just make them stronger so they can war better and kill more of her own people?

Anyway, do the characters actually get to have names?

She wants the Southern Kingdoms to not be so dependent on the Central ones (and on the war in general). She wants them to be able to tell Central to take a hike if and when they order them to fight a war against the demons.

But that's just one part of her plan.

Vallen Chaos Valiant · 2013-01-20, 23:09

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Originally Posted by GundamZZ

No, they are archtypes or stereotypes by intention.

Maou believes the humans fight for resources, so they wage wars. So, she wants to solve the hunger in southern kingdoms. In real life, this type of enemy leader doesn't exist. Since we are talking about a fiction, it's up to you to overlook it.

Fight a war long enough, and eventually there would be a new leader who didn't care why the war started and instead, care more about ending it. In real life this involves any war that lasts decades, and as I say, occur when the new guy didn't have emotional attachments to the conflict.

As a ruler, she doesn't benefit from the war. Further, she currently doesn't have a strong hold on her own rule. Every ruler needs legitimacy. Since she isn't interested in military victories, she instead wants to have Peace being her legacy. Maou isn't some saint; she isn't doing what she does out of kindness, even though she is kind. She is doing this because it is the only action that isn't retarded to her educated self.

mangamuscle · 2013-01-20, 23:12

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Originally Posted by orion

But she's a demon monarch. Can't have half demon or full demon illegitimate kids running around as potential throne candidates. Line of succession has to be guaranteed when she gets married. So she has another reason to be virgin.

That would be ok if our female protagonist was a queen, but she is not, she is the demon king. There are parallels in real life where female monarchs have gotten the king title, which basically mean that she is not the cohort of a king, she is the king and the she creates the lineage, not her male partner. So if her sons/daughters/futanaris are half-demon and/or lack noble blood should be no problem if she so deems.

Myssa Rei · 2013-01-20, 23:26

A lot of the confusion about the Demon Lord's behavior can be gleared by dropping over to the manga/LN section actually, since it's way too early to reveal here, and the anime might take a while to get to the section in the story that explains it.

I will say this though, the tribe that both the Demon Lord and the Head Maid belong to don't really fall under what we might consider "classic" demons (with good reason). Also the title Demon Lord ISN'T hereditary, so there's no real pressure to get an heir ASAP.

Mangaka-chan · 2013-01-20, 23:58

I'm impressed that the anime has been able to cover so much material within the span of three episodes without making it feel rushed. I'm looking forward to the next episode, assuming

Spoiler for next episode:

However I did notice that the animation quality has taken a nose dive in episode 3. There were many instances where the characters' hands or set items were shoddily drawn. In fact there was one shot of Yuusha's hand in the Lake Country convent scene that was so badly drawn that it actually made me cringe. I hope this doesn't continue or get any worse in the future, because while I like this show for its character/plot I don't think I can stand 9 more episodes of the same poor quality animation.

GundamZZ · 2013-01-21, 00:33

Mangaka-chan, Can you provide the spoiler that's not relevant to the story? So, it would not spoil the fun.

Spoiler for example of irrelevant plot:

Mangaka-chan · 2013-01-21, 04:06

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Originally Posted by GundamZZ

Mangaka-chan, Can you provide the spoiler that's not relevant to the story? So, it would not spoil the fun.

Lol

Ok, I went back and edited my post. But I think it's fair game to mention the OP since that's shown during every single episode, right?

eiyuu99 · 2013-01-21, 05:40

I guess the animators are saving costs for an episode with a battle or something, like the human/demon territory occupied by the other side.

kagato3 · 2013-01-21, 07:56

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Originally Posted by Vallen Chaos Valiant

Fight a war long enough, and eventually there would be a new leader who didn't care why the war started and instead, care more about ending it. In real life this involves any war that lasts decades, and as I say, occur when the new guy didn't have emotional attachments to the conflict.

As a ruler, she doesn't benefit from the war. Further, she currently doesn't have a strong hold on her own rule. Every ruler needs legitimacy. Since she isn't interested in military victories, she instead wants to have Peace being her legacy. Maou isn't some saint; she isn't doing what she does out of kindness, even though she is kind. She is doing this because it is the only action that isn't retarded to her educated self.

I will point out that in the short term the war is benefiting her as it is previding the same stablity to the demon tribes as it is to the human kingdoms.

-Sho- · 2013-01-21, 09:37

Why do we have to get the typical dumb & stronk virgin Yuusha....

Obelisk ze Tormentor · 2013-01-21, 10:21

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Originally Posted by -Sho-

Why do we have to get the typical dumb & stronk virgin Yuusha....

Coz it's the story's intention to make fun of RPG-genre's cliches. Want to know more? Ask the author.

Vallen Chaos Valiant · 2013-01-21, 11:00

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Originally Posted by kagato3

I will point out that in the short term the war is benefiting her as it is previding the same stablity to the demon tribes as it is to the human kingdoms.

As someone who lives for hundreds of years, a demon is inclined to plan more than just a few short decades into the future.

The new Demon King know what her current life is suppose to be. She doesn't like it. As it is she had to deceive her own people just to hold onto power. She has to actually change the political climate, or the political climate would remove her instead.

Anime Online · 2013-01-21, 12:16

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Originally Posted by -Sho-

Why do we have to get the typical dumb & stronk virgin Yuusha....

Yuusha is just oblivious. I can only shake my head at how Maou has to make all the first moves, while he's as passive as a piece of furniture.

It's like we've never progressed past some kind of cavemen mentality: all the man is capable of is going out to bash some animal in the skull, or taking out a few troublesome demons for Maou. I almost suspect she's making up some excuse of a task for him to do, so he doesn't feel he's totally useless.

Sinestra · 2013-01-21, 14:34

After watching the first 2 episodes i am thoroughly stuck on the show. I pretty much love everything about it especially a new take on the old Hero vs Demon king story. The story has been rehashed so many times always with a new take but i think this one deserves a closer look. Especially given how innocent our well endowed Demon King happens to be. I think what I took most from both episodes so far is that humans and in this case demons alike are addicted to war. Even in our world war can yield great profits for some while other suffer horribly. The endless loop of war has become the staple of society in this world and without all countries everywhere will descend into even more chaos, poverty basically the fall of society. Nothing unites us humans like a common enemy so if we are not busy fighting ourselves we will be fighting someone else. I enjoyed how the demons are much more similar to humans than humans themselves would like to think. So how to do ween the world of war.....? well i guess that will be shown throughout the story. Both of the main characters are willing to basically make themselves the enemy of both worlds to in the end make the world a better place even if it means sacrificing some now.

Even the maid had a life lesson to teach the children. Pulling yourself up with your own bootstraps, there is no shame in asking for help but relying only on that help to survive without making an effort to better yourself makes you worth very little. Her plan seems to stretch very far into the future and seems to have been planned hundreds of years in advance. Perhaps because she was waiting on the birth of the Yuusha although hes about as clueless as they come when it comes to Maou. I find it interesting that shes loved him even before she met him, there was no real information given on this so im not sure how and or why the importance of the fact im sure is not to be ignored since it was introduced in the first episode. But each belong to each other now and that also has great significance

Looking forward to sitting down and watching episode 3, great series so far and iv already recommend it several others.

Dark Wing · 2013-01-21, 15:23

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Originally Posted by Anime Online

Yuusha is just oblivious. I can only shake my head at how Maou has to make all the first moves, while he's as passive as a piece of furniture.

It's like we've never progressed past some kind of cavemen mentality: all the man is capable of is going out to bash some animal in the skull, or taking out a few troublesome demons for Maou. I almost suspect she's making up some excuse of a task for him to do, so he doesn't feel he's totally useless.

Oh come on he's just not used to dealing with women in a romantic way. This tens to happen when one has been raised to do nothing but fight a war.

Also going back to my previous post Hero isn't just dumb brawn. He's a military tactic and the only one Maou can trust to be her sword & shield to make sure no one tries to ruin her plans. If she really saw nothing but a dumb caveman in him as you put it then I'm sure she wouldn't have picked him has her partner.

Random Wanderer · 2013-01-21, 16:20

I'm in despair. The fact that many of the people who have posted in this thread have been so overdosed in the overblown emotional reactions of popularized anime and manga that they cannot recognize subtle emotional cues has left me in despair.

Anh_Minh · 2013-01-21, 16:28

I'd be more receptive to "subtle cues" if she hadn't shown herself to be definitely unsubtle about matters which should have been more trivial than the end of famine.

CJ_Walker · 2013-01-21, 17:14

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Originally Posted by -Sho-

Why do we have to get the typical dumb & stronk virgin Yuusha....

Otaku pandering

it WOULD be a lot easier if they just got it on in the first or second ep, then there would be not much time wasted on female knight's jealousy of maou. They could spend more time on the story/plot/character development. Besides you don't get that strong and NOT have an enormous amount of testosterone in your body that would FORCE you to sex the nearest female you see.

But that doesn't sell BDs/DVDs.

You just gotta ignore it or fast forward through yuushas parts (like I do)

2013-01-20, 23:26	Link #1006
Myssa Rei Moderate Haruhiist Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Metro Manila, Philippines Age: 42	A lot of the confusion about the Demon Lord's behavior can be gleared by dropping over to the manga/LN section actually, since it's way too early to reveal here, and the anime might take a while to get to the section in the story that explains it. I will say this though, the tribe that both the Demon Lord and the Head Maid belong to don't really fall under what we might consider "classic" demons (with good reason). Also the title Demon Lord ISN'T hereditary, so there's no real pressure to get an heir ASAP. __________________

2013-01-20, 23:58	Link #1007
Mangaka-chan Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: California	I'm impressed that the anime has been able to cover so much material within the span of three episodes without making it feel rushed. I'm looking forward to the next episode, assuming Spoiler for next episode: we'll see what's in the OP happen for reals. However I did notice that the animation quality has taken a nose dive in episode 3. There were many instances where the characters' hands or set items were shoddily drawn. In fact there was one shot of Yuusha's hand in the Lake Country convent scene that was so badly drawn that it actually made me cringe. I hope this doesn't continue or get any worse in the future, because while I like this show for its character/plot I don't think I can stand 9 more episodes of the same poor quality animation. Last edited by Mangaka-chan; 2013-01-21 at 04:05.

2013-01-21, 00:33	Link #1008
GundamZZ 残念美人 Join Date: Oct 2004	Mangaka-chan, Can you provide the spoiler that's not relevant to the story? So, it would not spoil the fun. Spoiler for example of irrelevant plot: The female knight was the princess of ruined Flower Kingdom. __________________ 流麗のヒステリア Hysteria of flowing beautifully 三つ腕のリヒティ Lichty of three arms 重剣のクロエ Chloe of giant sword 天啓のシスティーナ Sistina of Apocalypse 愛憎のロクサーヌ Roxanne of distinguished love and hate 万有のルテーシア Lutécia of everything 塵喰いのカサンドラ Cassandra of eating dust

2013-01-21, 14:34	Link #1016
Sinestra ション (^^) IT Support Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Freedom Guard Ship Amaterasu	After watching the first 2 episodes i am thoroughly stuck on the show. I pretty much love everything about it especially a new take on the old Hero vs Demon king story. The story has been rehashed so many times always with a new take but i think this one deserves a closer look. Especially given how innocent our well endowed Demon King happens to be. I think what I took most from both episodes so far is that humans and in this case demons alike are addicted to war. Even in our world war can yield great profits for some while other suffer horribly. The endless loop of war has become the staple of society in this world and without all countries everywhere will descend into even more chaos, poverty basically the fall of society. Nothing unites us humans like a common enemy so if we are not busy fighting ourselves we will be fighting someone else. I enjoyed how the demons are much more similar to humans than humans themselves would like to think. So how to do ween the world of war.....? well i guess that will be shown throughout the story. Both of the main characters are willing to basically make themselves the enemy of both worlds to in the end make the world a better place even if it means sacrificing some now. Even the maid had a life lesson to teach the children. Pulling yourself up with your own bootstraps, there is no shame in asking for help but relying only on that help to survive without making an effort to better yourself makes you worth very little. Her plan seems to stretch very far into the future and seems to have been planned hundreds of years in advance. Perhaps because she was waiting on the birth of the Yuusha although hes about as clueless as they come when it comes to Maou. I find it interesting that shes loved him even before she met him, there was no real information given on this so im not sure how and or why the importance of the fact im sure is not to be ignored since it was introduced in the first episode. But each belong to each other now and that also has great significance Looking forward to sitting down and watching episode 3, great series so far and iv already recommend it several others. __________________

2013-01-21, 16:20	Link #1018
Random Wanderer Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007	I'm in despair. The fact that many of the people who have posted in this thread have been so overdosed in the overblown emotional reactions of popularized anime and manga that they cannot recognize subtle emotional cues has left me in despair. __________________

2013-01-21, 05:40	Link #1010
eiyuu99 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008	I guess the animators are saving costs for an episode with a battle or something, like the human/demon territory occupied by the other side.

2013-01-21, 09:37	Link #1012
-Sho- ~Omedetô~ Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Somewhere between heaven and hell !	Why do we have to get the typical dumb & stronk virgin Yuusha....

2013-01-21, 16:28	Link #1019
Anh_Minh I disagree with you all. Join Date: Dec 2005	I'd be more receptive to "subtle cues" if she hadn't shown herself to be definitely unsubtle about matters which should have been more trivial than the end of famine.