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View Poll Results: Shakugan no Shana II - Episode 14 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 21 | 23.60% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 24 | 26.97% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 28 | 31.46% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 10 | 11.24% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 6 | 6.74% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2008-01-21, 21:13 | Link #61 | ||
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Budget episode? Deception seem to be the core of Pheles's game plan. Besides, it was her avatar that appeared first. |
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2008-01-21, 21:21 | Link #63 | |
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She should have killed off everyone there while they relaxed their guard, and then thoroughly examined Yuuji and dissected the Reiji Maigo from him from relative safety, to find out exactly what was in it and then figure out a way to extract Johan while killing off Sakai and whatever else is mutating the Mystes. Instead, she goes in and instead of taking advantage of what she calls the "perfect" opportunity, lets down her own guard (knowing that there's something strange about the Reiji Maigo), and gets punched, losing whatever advantage she had, and now being vulnerable to an outside attack from third parties that she wasn't planning on. That's called a perfect opportunity 'wasted'. Oh well, her 1-line descriptions of everyone else were still awesome |
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2008-01-21, 21:25 | Link #64 | |
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2008-01-21, 21:45 | Link #65 |
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Actually, originally, if she thought that was what it would take for her to be reunited with Johan willingly forever, she'd probably do it without a second's hesitation. The only reason she didn't was because she didn't think she needed to, and because she didn't think she needed to guard herself against Johan's container (the Reiji Maigo and what's in it, not the kid).
She had the will and the willingness to make the appropriate sacrifices to see her goals through - she just didn't have the presence of mind to recognize the dangers of it even after she had been warned by multiple clues - hence her blindness. That's why I find her the most tragic of all the characters really - she's the only one with any decent willpower and the recognition that sacrifices are needed to achieve a greater goal, but her fatal flaws make it so she can't fulfill her potential. Whereas all the other characters lack that willpower (except maybe Wilhelmina, but she's a bit too wishy-washy too). That's also part of the reason why I liked the original Shana (before she got converted by Yuuji), Corpse Retriever, and the members of the Bell - they actually have what it takes to get things done. Of course I'm making a value judgment on which sort of goals are worth attaining here - for example, you could possibly argue that Yoshida also has some goal of some sort and that she has a lot of willpower in achieving it - but she's rather small in the grand scheme of things so I don't think she matters or is relevant in anything except as a physical manifestation of Sakai's weakness. |
2008-01-21, 22:52 | Link #66 |
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This ep was obviously not as good as the previous ep but still pretty good... I was just about to hate this ep for the cheesy lines spouted by Pheles at the end only to be shocked that she was actually an avatar! That was a big twist, then pheles gets stabbed by a huge silver arm out of Yuji's stomach! Those two scenes made me forget about the cheesy scenes in this ep! Finally Konoe makes a debut after several ep of absence and next ep looks to be very interesting.
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2008-01-21, 23:24 | Link #69 | ||
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Why is Yuji Near though? He doesn't have the intelligence, or calculating insight into human behavior, or the willpower to achieve his goals (or even have a goal to begin with for that matter) that Near does. Near is also not very selfish, although he's certainly not self-less, whereas Yuuji is selfish AND self-less (in the sense that he doesn't have a good valuation of self). Yuuji reminds me more of Matsuda. Average, not very bright or strong (his strength is from something independent of himself, i.e. borrowed strength), not visionary, and not really particularly noteworthy - except for what's inside him. He's always in the right place at the right time, but none of it is by his own choice, and he's always being moved instead of being the mover, reacting instead of acting. He holds strongly onto his ideals, not because he believes in them for what they are, but because he clings to them like a life-raft so that he doesn't lose track of what he's fighting for (or even living for). As a result, he turns out hopelessly naive and optimistic in his sense of justice and morality without the power to back it up, but he doesn't even really understand what it is that he feels is right and why that is right, and blinds himself to any other possible truths. That seems to fit the stereotype of Matsuda almost perfectly. |
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2008-01-21, 23:27 | Link #71 |
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I agree that it felt odd how everyone just stood there and watched Pheles move to deal with Yuji. They are just floating up there and the others are just looking. As if the one lined descriptions of each of them were so piercing that they couldn't even move. Would have at least expected Shana to charge in there, since she'd been itching to take Pheles for a while.
Was surprising to find out that Pheles was using an avatar. But makes sense why not much happened most of the episode. Just holding back until her main body could arrive to take care of it. Besides got some interesting info. I wonder how many times Shana and Kazumi are going to say they aren't going to lose. Just agree on a threesome or something and then you don't have to keep bringing it up. Both of you win and that's that.
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2008-01-21, 23:33 | Link #72 | |
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Agreed about the whole Shana/Yoshida thing. At this point, I don't care if either of them wins or loses because neither of them are interesting anymore. Shana was interesting at one point, but that ended a season and half ago when she turned into the 2nd Yoshida. I wonder if anyone from that setting ever considered that there are more important things out there to worry about instead of some teenage crush? I mean, hey, the world's precariously balanced, hinging on the whims of a group of revenge-driven half-insane Flame Haze on one hand and an equally insane group of monsters on the other side, and now BOTH sides know exactly where a certain Mystes that can tip the balance is. What do you do? You stay right in the middle of a fairly populous city, among the people you care about and want to "protect", and spend everyday agonizing in idiotic bliss about who's lunch you're going to eat...somehow conveniently forgetting the fact that your very presence in effect makes everyone you care about a hostage to be used against you. It's one thing if an obsessive immortal woman nicknamed the "eternal lover" flies around searching for her love for centuries - people expect her to be singleminded and strange. Is it any wonder that Pheles laughed at them when she first appeared? I'm glad Hecate's finally back into the fray though. She was interesting, at least before she turned into a girl. |
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2008-01-22, 00:02 | Link #73 |
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God I was banking that Pheles was going to be an evil, selfish behotch, and thank god she was. I was gagging the entire freaking episode otherwise. Why isn't Yoshida dead yet? Why is Shana continuing this joke of an accepted rivalry with Yoshida? I'm going to confess my love to him! I won't lose to you! Guess what, NOONE BLOODY CARES ANYMORE. If it wasn't the constant close ups of Carmel (<3 <3 <3 <3 <3) I swear I'd be killing off the studio behind Shana, one by one. I mean Pheles becoming friends with Yoshida? Give me a break, seriously.
Speaking of which, this is the ONLY good thing Yoshida's contributed thus far (s1 and s2) http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/8...p108039oa5.png http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/1...p108310we0.png http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/6...p108515ry0.png Chalk that up to my ex-gf getting me hooked on that look (jeans and no top + bra, or better yet, shirt, and no jeans + panties~). Ironically enough, TANAKA HAS ROMANTICALLY PROGRESSED FARTHER in 5 minutes (the combined amount of time between his worthwhile scenes in this episode and the previous one) then Yuji has in 1 1/2 seasons. Go figure.
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2008-01-22, 00:02 | Link #74 | |
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I'm happy there's at least one definitive high school couple in this anime. Good for Tanaka and Oga.
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2008-01-22, 00:08 | Link #75 | |
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2008-01-22, 00:17 | Link #76 | |
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imho of course.
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2008-01-22, 00:44 | Link #78 | |
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@MasterChibi: hmmm... what episode are those images from? I don't remember them...
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2008-01-22, 01:00 | Link #79 | ||
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Nice that they respect each other and all, but it does get old watching them reaffirm that often. Maybe by not losing they mean just spend time talking to each other rather than getting together with Yuji and settling this. Since if they keep it like that they won't win, but they aren't going to lose either. Quote:
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