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I think what's constantly being ignored is the internal/external production origin that's been shifted over the past year from KyoAni. Previously, everything but Munto was created by someone outside of KyoAni and they had no big rights ownership of that project. Once they started Chuunibyou, we've now seen a shift from animating something someone else has the rights (and therefore most of the revenue) into animating something originating from within the company (via the Kyoto Animation Awards everyone loves to mock). Instead of getting a small piece of a big pie (from Haruhi/K-On!) via animation budget and royalties from merch/disc/music sales, KyoAni invests more into the project and gets back a much higher percentage not only from merch/disc/music, but from LN sales/rights ownership. Obviously we don't have any concrete numbers, but wouldn't you imagine they got more in return from Chuunibyou (likely averaging 15k sold) than Kanon (averaged 18k sold) though each of them were about the same success-wise? That's why I have little expectations we'll see adaptations from them in the future like we have in the past (and why I doubt we'll see an adaptation of anything beyond FMP). It makes little sense business-wise.
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2013-04-27, 18:14 | Link #1802 | |
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(I do think they'll still continue to keep working with Kadokawa and TBS/Pony Canyon, though, if nothing else out of a sort of loyalty... even if they more or less use them to push their own franchises and those other companies keep a smaller portion of the pie.)
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2013-04-27, 18:52 | Link #1803 | |
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The post says that Free! is not the first Kyoani series for women because K-ON happened to be popular with a female audience. But K-ON was not created with a female audience in mind it just happened to work well with that audience. In the same was Kuroko no Basket was also not targeted at girls but is also popular with that demographic Or PreCure is not targeted at men but has become popular with that audience. Just because a series reaches outside its original target demographic does not mean that was the target demographic. So yes Free! is the first series Kyoani made for women and saying so is not a myth. And no some hot spring fanservice in Hyouka doesn't count. There was fanservice of the girls in the first ending sequence too (of course Hyouka itself was in general pretty free of any fanservice). Although I am not going to argue that maybe Kyoani just wanted to make this series and it had nothing to do with wanting to try another demographic.
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2013-04-27, 19:06 | Link #1804 | |
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I think a similar thing applies to Free!. I mean, yes, the limited promo material we're seeing now seems to suggest that the show will appeal to women/girls, but that doesn't mean the show can't have an appeal beyond that audience too. Calling the show "made for women" based only on what we've got so far is rather constricting. So, while I get what you're saying if you're being literal, I think the point is more that we shouldn't be so hung-up on demographics and labels. They've made works that have had considerable appeal among a female audience before, whether it was specifically "targeted" at them or not.
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2013-04-27, 19:16 | Link #1805 |
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I am not hung up on labels I never said people can't enjoy something beyond the target demographic. I also never said the studio has to be surprised when they get an audience outside that demographic.
But it does annoy me when people confuse audience with demographic. They are different things. So yes Free! is Kyoani's first show targeting women and I think that it is a nice thing. I am always happy when something is made with me specifically in mind. That doesn't mean I thought Kyoani shows before weren't for me or they were "boy only clubs". I highly enjoyed both Haruhi and Hyouka. And just because I think Free! is being made with women in mind doesn't mean I think guys can't enjoy it as well. In fact I find that type of thought stupid.
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2013-04-27, 20:37 | Link #1806 | |
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I don't wanna live in this world anymore.
Seriously I don't want to be playing smartass or advocate.... But this makes everything hard to swallow as someone is really taking credit from something that wasn't born of their own hardwork. If only there was someway to get that blog post some needed attention. I really wanna rip my hair off seeing how CR follows through with this bullshit. I'm praying really hard karma strikes CR soon enough. Quote:
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2013-04-27, 21:02 | Link #1807 |
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I think most of us here are aware that CR's publicity stunt did jack squat in the grand scheme of things anyway and as long people here aren't deluded enough to fall for it I'm relatively satisfied. Although it does irk me a little that they're acting all high and mighty because of it...
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2013-04-27, 21:16 | Link #1809 | |
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Care to clarify?
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2013-04-27, 21:16 | Link #1810 | |
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^ I think this spread of misinformation is going to be the biggest headaches that comes from it.... -_-
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2013-04-27, 21:31 | Link #1813 |
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I was. I recently watched one of those videos on Youtube showing an artist sketching out frames for Tamako Market (I believe), and it looked like a ton of work. If Free is being released this summer, then it had to have been in development before that petition.
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2013-04-27, 21:35 | Link #1814 | |
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I don't think they're about to do any clarification of some sort regarding this matter. On their own accord that is....
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2013-04-27, 21:38 | Link #1815 |
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I find it really hard to believe that CR wouldn't know better, especially when they're dealing with licensing and simulcasts on a regular basis. Which coincidentally makes their whole PR charade fall in further bad light. I don't mind if people are just having fun because of it, but instead it seems like they're pushing this agenda quite seriously and the misinformation is only going to hurt the community more so than it helps.
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2013-04-27, 22:07 | Link #1816 |
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The insinuation they're making is that they already knew about the pending announcement (their comment "We actually made a trip to KyoAni"). So that means that the entire petition thing was a stunt in every sense; not only the insinuation that the petition made any difference (which is impossible), but the fact that they even knew the show was already scheduled (so there was no chance the "petition" would "fail"). It's basically just a marketing campaign that helps to build a little hype for an upcoming show even before it's announced, and no doubt Crunchyroll has already secured the streaming rights for said show. Of course, it's still based on an entirely-false premise and spreads misinformation among the fanbase.
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2013-04-27, 22:24 | Link #1817 | |
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Also I don't think it's surely secured yet. I really hope it isn't. What are the chances of other companies like Funimation nabbing this one.
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