Top 5 most overrated anime? (no flames pls!)

[Leo_Otaku]

Originally Posted by PEDOS_GRANDE

my top overrated anime of all time


AIR

I highly doubt that. No 2nd rate anime fan knows what that is.

Try somthing like Naruto...u_u ppl

[Bloodseeker]

I'm a big fan of long shounens so long as they don't repeat the same scenario over and over again... (identical monster of weeks, almost identical fights and problems, etc...)

[The Bloodlust Kid]

In no particular order:

1. Inuyasha- Well I did like it because it proved to me that people still have the freedom to inject whatever they want into cartoons but the filler just brings it down. Although, I will still watch the movies.

2. Naruto- I'd tolerate it more if the characters didn't drag the dialogue so much. I don't think it takes 5 minutes to explain how destructive Rock Lee can get when he's drunk. And I do believe that the short recaps in the beginning of every episode are suppose to be short.

3. Neon Genesis Evangelion- The series was okay, but the movie just made me want to punch the creator in the face.

4. Fooly Cooly- Alright, I get the jokes. It was funny in plenty of parts but for God's sake, it's NOT deep OR philosophical.

5. ......I don't have a five....

[Mr.Hawq]

Originally Posted by Eclipze

Lets just say that, Mai Otome's first 10 episode had alot more pace then the current first 10 episodes of F/sn.


Oh well, time to do a write up then.

Spoiler:

Episode 2:
->Mithril informs its units that the last attack involved anti ECS missles.
->People on board the sub gets informed/revealed to as to what the Lamda driver is (some even said, "is that a joke"?.
->We have the "comedy moments" between Kaname and Sousuke.
->We get introduced to the 2 seemingly incest twin sisters, who talk about a "master" they serve.
->We see someone spying on Kanane, who infact, is Wraith, the 2nd person who was secretly assigned to protect Kaname.
->We see the level of psychotic-ness of Gates, the new villian. The fact that he was singiny a "religious song" while killing off the millitary made him seem even worst off than Garod, the first villian of the FMP! series.

Episode 3:
->Gates captures 5 members who were part of the peace talk between north and south China, held in Nanjing. It is explained that this attack will intensify the conflict between the 2 sides.
->We are shown that one of the hostage is infact a spy (one of the twins).
->During Mithril's breifing on their operation to rescue the hostages, the "cretians are liars" was mentioned. That line itself was used as an operational tactic later on in the very same operation.
->We are introdued to the external assistance for Mirthil : Vincent Blueno.
->Tessa informs during the breifing, that due to the location of the opertion, no reinforcement would be available (this is essential to the operation, as you see later on)
->Vincent Blueno is seen with a sinister smile, inserting some strange unamed disk into the laptop. Indicating his later betrayal in the next episode.
->We get the first glance on Sousuke's reluctancy to use the Arblast. Sousuke aso futhur question about Wraith and his/her reliability in protecting Kaname.
->Is is then mentioned, while Sousuke and gang are on their way to the operations area, that failure in the operation would lead to the outbreak of another civil war.
->Operation begins. The ASes and ground troops enter the tunnel via various enterances. At this point, suspisions are raised regarding the smoothness of the operation. We get confirmation about Vincent Blueno's betrayal.
->We are then shown Gate's AS: The red Venom.
->Uruz 2 and the ground troops reach th hostage's location, and proceeds to secure the room.
->Finally, the suspisions are made into reality: The enemy ASes are found to be empty, Vincent Blueno deactivates the communication, and the spy among the hostages kills off 3 of the soldiers, and proceeds to assult Mao. Sousuke is seen surrounded by 4 Ases and the Venom, and reports the fact that they have fallen into a trap, to the HQ.

You seriously trying to tell me that NOTHING happened? Its not like you're calling this anime overated because "I think it sucks", but calling it SLOW?...

I thought that episode 2 was silly, you know with the threat to put in the ugly kaname pics on the forums and everything. episode 3 in my opinion was kind of boring. The stuff that was happening was nothing that made think about or anything. Nothing big happened, that I had to say "wtf," or "wow I can't wait till I see the next episode" As I have said before "opinion!" You and I share different opinion

Would you not think that for any show, always on the second episode we are introduced with a new character, so I would not really count that.

All in all, you should be satisfied with me, saying that I enjoyed the last 2 episodes alot for the show, and it was good enough for me, I mean if I were to rate it give the show about 7.8 or 8/10.

Anyways Let's stop this, since the thread does say no flaming, and I don't want to go any further than that. You liked it alot, I liked it.

By the way, I have noticed that most posts you make against me, you always add a question to it.

[Mr.Hawq]

Originally Posted by Eclipze

Lets just say that, Mai Otome's first 10 episode had alot more pace then the current first 10 episodes of F/sn.


Oh well, time to do a write up then.

Spoiler:

Episode 2:
->Mithril informs its units that the last attack involved anti ECS missles.
->People on board the sub gets informed/revealed to as to what the Lamda driver is (some even said, "is that a joke"?.
->We have the "comedy moments" between Kaname and Sousuke.
->We get introduced to the 2 seemingly incest twin sisters, who talk about a "master" they serve.
->We see someone spying on Kanane, who infact, is Wraith, the 2nd person who was secretly assigned to protect Kaname.
->We see the level of psychotic-ness of Gates, the new villian. The fact that he was singiny a "religious song" while killing off the millitary made him seem even worst off than Garod, the first villian of the FMP! series.

Episode 3:
->Gates captures 5 members who were part of the peace talk between north and south China, held in Nanjing. It is explained that this attack will intensify the conflict between the 2 sides.
->We are shown that one of the hostage is infact a spy (one of the twins).
->During Mithril's breifing on their operation to rescue the hostages, the "cretians are liars" was mentioned. That line itself was used as an operational tactic later on in the very same operation.
->We are introdued to the external assistance for Mirthil : Vincent Blueno.
->Tessa informs during the breifing, that due to the location of the opertion, no reinforcement would be available (this is essential to the operation, as you see later on)
->Vincent Blueno is seen with a sinister smile, inserting some strange unamed disk into the laptop. Indicating his later betrayal in the next episode.
->We get the first glance on Sousuke's reluctancy to use the Arblast. Sousuke aso futhur question about Wraith and his/her reliability in protecting Kaname.
->Is is then mentioned, while Sousuke and gang are on their way to the operations area, that failure in the operation would lead to the outbreak of another civil war.
->Operation begins. The ASes and ground troops enter the tunnel via various enterances. At this point, suspisions are raised regarding the smoothness of the operation. We get confirmation about Vincent Blueno's betrayal.
->We are then shown Gate's AS: The red Venom.
->Uruz 2 and the ground troops reach th hostage's location, and proceeds to secure the room.
->Finally, the suspisions are made into reality: The enemy ASes are found to be empty, Vincent Blueno deactivates the communication, and the spy among the hostages kills off 3 of the soldiers, and proceeds to assult Mao. Sousuke is seen surrounded by 4 Ases and the Venom, and reports the fact that they have fallen into a trap, to the HQ.

You seriously trying to tell me that NOTHING happened? Its not like you're calling this anime overated because "I think it sucks", but calling it SLOW?...

The way you say that stuff happened would be like this for fate/stay night

Spoiler:

episode 10
-Ilya meets Shirou for the firs time, in a polite compromising way
-we get to know that Ilya is from a foreign country and she is rich
-we get to know that Ilya is acting all cute to Shirou, and Shirou can't believe the way she is acting with him now, compared to the time she was with Berserker.
-Saber has a nice convo with Shirou, and she is talking to him more openly, and in a happy way.
-We get to see Saber naked

The way you say all this is kind of genric, they are nothing big, but stuff that happens most often. Like getting to see the bad guy, or some comedy scenes, some kind of fight that happens, but it is not a big fight that effects every character in the show and stuff.

I thought that episode 2 was silly, you know with the threat to put in the ugly kaname pics on the forums and everything. episode 3 in my opinion was kind of boring. The stuff that was happening was nothing that made think about or anything. Nothing big happened, that I had to say "wtf," or "wow I can't wait till I see the next episode" As I have said before "opinion!" You and I share different opinion

Would you not think that for any show, always on the second episode we are introduced with a new character, so I would not really count that.

All in all, you should be satisfied with me, saying that I enjoyed the last 2 episodes alot for the show, and it was good enough for me, I mean if I were to rate it give the show about 7.8 or 8/10.

Anyways Let's stop this, since the thread does say no flaming, and I don't want to go any further than that. You liked it alot, I liked it.

By the way, I have noticed that most posts you make against me, you always add a question to it.

[SWPIGWANG]

AT Fielduuuu!!!!

well, sorry but I seem to have my top anime list full of those "overrated shows"...I guess I should explain myself.

I must defend t3h diehard NGE worshipness: I watched it back in 96/97 for the most part, and fell in love. It is really funny really, but as I age the more I like NGE more and more.

At first, it was just an mecha show with better action than, say another Gundam or Macross show.(thats not an ova/movie) If one likes mecha anime at all, the sort of sistuation they set up is petty interesting when the focus was mostly defeating the monster of the week. Perfect musicly-choreographed attack? Still great after all those years. The animation is dated by today's standards, was awesome for a TV series in the day. While it might not be the most frame-heavy, the level of detail was good. It is giant mecha thats a bit more clever, and in those days thats damn good ready.

After watching it, it was the plot. For a good two years after it got distributed, and the times after EoE, endless discussions broke out. In those days, incomprehension obviously means NGE is pure awesomeness and it is an duty as an fan to comprehend it. (today, the general attitude is that it is pretenous made up stuff...at least for the overrated camp) NGE was treated like an mystry puzzle that takes some time to assemble, and that was part of the fun. After some time and alot of sorting out, some general conclusions have been drawn and the camp generally dispersed. (so sadly NGE newbies have little access to that wisdom) Nonetheless, the participants of them have gained a good amount of insight about the whole thing, from animation budgets to some existentialist thought.

After sorting all that out, there is the characters. I guess it is fitting that the original TV series ended as such, because if there something that might have stood the test of time it would be that. In some sense, those characters are not all that likable, but they are memorablely flawed. On my list of anime characters that I actually care about, NGE would take a large slot. It does take some personality traits to understand the characters however. As in excessively self-reflective person myself (as with many NGE characters) all the (potentially distracting) crazy psy-babble is actually comprehensible and can be empathized. One probably can not comprehend the whimsical mixture of excessive self-awareness with stress, confusion and self-loathing without having experienced it and there is no clear way to express it because it is confusing in itself. (or maybe NGE have rewired my brain so much that I think like those crazy folks...making me down right ....emo?) I guess it just seems a bit crazy when you sort of feels you understand small things like why Shinji loops song on his walkman..... (when you play tamashi no rufuran for the 20th hour straight...) The NGE characters aren't just developed, as in we know their motivation and rough traits, but they have soul poured into it. Most people probably would never touch its surface, but for some it just seem to make some sort of twisted crazy sense and one can never turn back and just dismiss it.

All that for 13 hours of TV series plus an 2 hour movie. NGE have provided something to think about for probably a hundred times that time.
--------------------
Maybe I'm really biased, because it is kind of life first love that gets idealized over time. That said, I don't have not seen any anime that is directly comparable (maybe that will change after I see RahXephon) and probably nothing will replace its place in my heart. (looks at Asuka poster on the wall)

I can understand why some wouldn't like it, as it really isn't an pleasurable show to watch at times, and many things is really hit or miss. NGE's core really don't have that wide of appeal, (its not an gibihi film or something) but the fact the show is watchable even when the main focus misses only shows its success. I'm sure the fanboys that it do hit on would remain so for a while.

Maybe I'm just an sucker for Anno..... (I liked kare kano alot too....)

---------------Some other stuff......
KGNE: KGNE needs some competition in the genre or all the folks that like this sort of stuff would only talk about this.....

Air: Whats up with Michiru.... (insufficient to make me care signal lights up)

[Shinji103]

Originally Posted by PEDOS_GRANDE

Yeah, Robotech is really awesome and ingenuitive. When you are 8. I was a robotech whore too, growing up. The last time i tried to rewatch it (when i was 23) I thought to myself...."how in GODS NAME did I ever like this sh*t????" The story that carl macek came up with to link the three shows was very weak. And even worse was the entirely American-made arc to robotech, "The Sentinels" I read the books, had the RPG sourcebook and had the video when i was little. Dear god, what crap that was. Invid doggie-mecha and amazon women. Gah.

A big FU to Robotech and all its fans.

Macross and Mospeada forever.

Well, seeing as how it was aimed at youger audiences from the very beginning, I think you're looking at it in a slightly incorrect light. Why do you think all the more adult stuff (Minmay taking a shower for one) was edited out and is never seen in any incarnation of Robotech whether it be VHS or DVD? There was never supposed to be any deep, complicated story thing in the first place. Maybe you should rethink your stance there. You're hating it for not being exactly what it was never meant to be.

Macross and Mopeada rock. And so does Robotech.

[Eclipze]

Originally Posted by Mr.Hawq

The way you say that stuff happened would be like this for fate/stay night

Spoiler:

episode 10
-Ilya meets Shirou for the firs time, in a polite compromising way
-we get to know that Ilya is from a foreign country and she is rich
-we get to know that Ilya is acting all cute to Shirou, and Shirou can't believe the way she is acting with him now, compared to the time she was with Berserker.
-Saber has a nice convo with Shirou, and she is talking to him more openly, and in a happy way.
-We get to see Saber naked

Its actually more like:

Spoiler:

-Shirou trains sword skills with Saber.
-On his way to buy some groceries(sp?), he meets Ilya. (obviously not the first time they met w/o Berserker...)
-Conversation ensures. Shirou learns about Ilya's life. (isn't it pretty obvious, by name alone, that Ilya is not from Japan?)
-Rin gets called out by Shinji, who asks for an alliance. He gets rejected (and punched. )
Saber is seen by Shirou, naked.
-Rin informs Shirou about her meeting with Shinji, while Shirou keeps Rin in the dark about the meeting with Ilya.

Bolded parts are ones that progress/have impact on the story. Lets see how many of the mentioned scenes are essential to the story/plot.

Spoiler:

-Shirou is training, yes. But fact remains that he is just a master, and is incapable of matching up to a servant in terms of combat capabilities. If removed from episode = nothing changes.
-He meets Ilya, but this isnt the first time (they already met in episode 1). Remove this scene and nothing changes as well.
-Conversation with Ilya: Shirou learns about how Ilya is like (or is trying to portray). We see a flashback of hr "dad" who infact looks like Shirou's stepfather.
Revalant/essential to plot.
-Shinji asking Rin for alliance: the rejection shows that he seemed to have formed a grudge against Shirou just because his "beloved Rin is takened away from him". Essential to story, as Shinji would otherwise remain relatively neutral towards Shirou.
-Saber naked: Obviously fanservice. Nothing changes without this scene.
-Rin informing Shirou about her encounter: shows her trust. At the contrasting side, Shirou keeps the conversation with Ilya a secret: such action can be used to move the plot.

For the FMP! TSR episode 2/3

Spoiler:

Episode 2:
->Mithril informs its units that the last attack involved anti ECS missles.
->People on board the sub gets informed/revealed to as to what the Lamda driver is (some even said, "is that a joke"?. ->We have the "comedy moments" between Kaname and Sousuke.
->We get introduced to the 2 seemingly incest twin sisters, who talk about a "master" they serve.
->We see someone spying on Kanane, who infact, is Wraith, the 2nd person who was secretly assigned to protect Kaname.
->We see the level of psychotic-ness of Gates, the new villian. The fact that he was singiny a "religious song" while killing off the millitary made him seem even worst off than Garod, the first villian of the FMP! series.

->Mithril informing its troops of the anti ECS missles in episode 1's operation. Thus far, there was not a single opposition force that had possessed such technology. The knowledge of this raised awareness and alertness of the troops.
->Lamda driver was a kept secret, and only a handful of people knew about it. It become nessary to inform the "common mithril troops" of he existance of the system due to Venoms possessing such technology, their enemies.
->Comedy. Not essential.
->The spy. If you just watch this for the first time, it might even lead to conclusions such as people who are after Kaname or a potential assasin.
->The showcase of Gates was not essential, but tells us who this organization is being led by, and their capabilities.

Could be said to have around the same level of important content as F/sn episode 10.

Spoiler for episode 3:

Episode 3:
->Gates captures 5 members who were part of the peace talk between north and south China, held in Nanjing. It is explained that this attack will intensify the conflict between the 2 sides.
[B]->We are shown that one of the hostage is infact a spy (one of the twins).[/B]->During Mithril's breifing on their operation to rescue the hostages, the "cretians are liars" was mentioned. That line itself was used as an operational tactic later on in the very same operation.
->We are introdued to the external assistance for Mirthil : Vincent Blueno.
->Tessa informs during the breifing, that due to the location of the opertion, no reinforcement would be available (this is essential to the operation, as you see later on)->Vincent Blueno is seen with a sinister smile, inserting some strange unamed disk into the laptop. Indicating his later betrayal in the next episode.
->We get the first glance on Sousuke's reluctancy to use the Arblast. Sousuke aso futhur question about Wraith and his/her reliability in protecting Kaname.
->Is is then mentioned, while Sousuke and gang are on their way to the operations area, that failure in the operation would lead to the outbreak of another civil war.->Operation begins. The ASes and ground troops enter the tunnel via various enterances. At this point, suspisions are raised regarding the smoothness of the operation. We get confirmation about Vincent Blueno's betrayal.
->We are then shown Gate's AS: The red Venom.
->Uruz 2 and the ground troops reach th hostage's location, and proceeds to secure the room.
->Finally, the suspisions are made into reality: The enemy ASes are found to be empty, Vincent Blueno deactivates the communication, and the spy among the hostages kills off 3 of the soldiers, and proceeds to assult Mao. Sousuke is seen surrounded by 4 Ases and the Venom, and reports the fact that they have fallen into a trap, to the HQ.

Pretty much self-explanatory. Every thing that happened in this episode was essential for moving the plot in the shown direction.

Without the mentioned consequence of the failure of the operation leading to civil war, the operation would be meaningless. Sousuke's reluctancy to use Arblast clearly has an impact to the direction of the story.

I believe I can understand why Episode 2 seemed "slow", but how the heck is episode 3, slow? Actioned packed, a well thought-out scenario, and intelligent infiltration by the enemy (spy among hostage, traitor Vincent Blueno). I dont see how that can be classified as slow?

[Mr.Hawq]

Originally Posted by Eclipze

Its actually more like:

Spoiler:

-Shirou trains sword skills with Saber.
-On his way to buy some groceries(sp?), he meets Ilya. (obviously not the first time they met w/o Berserker...)
-Conversation ensures. Shirou learns about Ilya's life. (isn't it pretty obvious, by name alone, that Ilya is not from Japan?)
-Rin gets called out by Shinji, who asks for an alliance. He gets rejected (and punched. )
Saber is seen by Shirou, naked.
-Rin informs Shirou about her meeting with Shinji, while Shirou keeps Rin in the dark about the meeting with Ilya.

Bolded parts are ones that progress/have impact on the story. Lets see how many of the mentioned scenes are essential to the story/plot.

Spoiler:

-Shirou is training, yes. But fact remains that he is just a master, and is incapable of matching up to a servant in terms of combat capabilities. If removed from episode = nothing changes.
-He meets Ilya, but this isnt the first time (they already met in episode 1). Remove this scene and nothing changes as well.
-Conversation with Ilya: Shirou learns about how Ilya is like (or is trying to portray). We see a flashback of hr "dad" who infact looks like Shirou's stepfather.
Revalant/essential to plot.
-Shinji asking Rin for alliance: the rejection shows that he seemed to have formed a grudge against Shirou just because his "beloved Rin is takened away from him". Essential to story, as Shinji would otherwise remain relatively neutral towards Shirou.
-Saber naked: Obviously fanservice. Nothing changes without this scene.
-Rin informing Shirou about her encounter: shows her trust. At the contrasting side, Shirou keeps the conversation with Ilya a secret: such action can be used to move the plot.

For the FMP! TSR episode 2/3

Spoiler:

Episode 2:
->Mithril informs its units that the last attack involved anti ECS missles.
->People on board the sub gets informed/revealed to as to what the Lamda driver is (some even said, "is that a joke"?. ->We have the "comedy moments" between Kaname and Sousuke.
->We get introduced to the 2 seemingly incest twin sisters, who talk about a "master" they serve.
->We see someone spying on Kanane, who infact, is Wraith, the 2nd person who was secretly assigned to protect Kaname.
->We see the level of psychotic-ness of Gates, the new villian. The fact that he was singiny a "religious song" while killing off the millitary made him seem even worst off than Garod, the first villian of the FMP! series.

->Mithril informing its troops of the anti ECS missles in episode 1's operation. Thus far, there was not a single opposition force that had possessed such technology. The knowledge of this raised awareness and alertness of the troops.
->Lamda driver was a kept secret, and only a handful of people knew about it. It become nessary to inform the "common mithril troops" of he existance of the system due to Venoms possessing such technology, their enemies.
->Comedy. Not essential.
->The spy. If you just watch this for the first time, it might even lead to conclusions such as people who are after Kaname or a potential assasin.
->The showcase of Gates was not essential, but tells us who this organization is being led by, and their capabilities.

Could be said to have around the same level of important content as F/sn episode 10.

Spoiler for episode 3:

Episode 3:
->Gates captures 5 members who were part of the peace talk between north and south China, held in Nanjing. It is explained that this attack will intensify the conflict between the 2 sides.
[B]->We are shown that one of the hostage is infact a spy (one of the twins).[/B]->During Mithril's breifing on their operation to rescue the hostages, the "cretians are liars" was mentioned. That line itself was used as an operational tactic later on in the very same operation.
->We are introdued to the external assistance for Mirthil : Vincent Blueno.
->Tessa informs during the breifing, that due to the location of the opertion, no reinforcement would be available (this is essential to the operation, as you see later on)->Vincent Blueno is seen with a sinister smile, inserting some strange unamed disk into the laptop. Indicating his later betrayal in the next episode.
->We get the first glance on Sousuke's reluctancy to use the Arblast. Sousuke aso futhur question about Wraith and his/her reliability in protecting Kaname.
->Is is then mentioned, while Sousuke and gang are on their way to the operations area, that failure in the operation would lead to the outbreak of another civil war.->Operation begins. The ASes and ground troops enter the tunnel via various enterances. At this point, suspisions are raised regarding the smoothness of the operation. We get confirmation about Vincent Blueno's betrayal.
->We are then shown Gate's AS: The red Venom.
->Uruz 2 and the ground troops reach th hostage's location, and proceeds to secure the room.
->Finally, the suspisions are made into reality: The enemy ASes are found to be empty, Vincent Blueno deactivates the communication, and the spy among the hostages kills off 3 of the soldiers, and proceeds to assult Mao. Sousuke is seen surrounded by 4 Ases and the Venom, and reports the fact that they have fallen into a trap, to the HQ.

Pretty much self-explanatory. Every thing that happened in this episode was essential for moving the plot in the shown direction.

Without the mentioned consequence of the failure of the operation leading to civil war, the operation would be meaningless. Sousuke's reluctancy to use Arblast clearly has an impact to the direction of the story.

I believe I can understand why Episode 2 seemed "slow", but how the heck is episode 3, slow? Actioned packed, a well thought-out scenario, and intelligent infiltration by the enemy (spy among hostage, traitor Vincent Blueno). I dont see how that can be classified as slow?

Well would you not say that episode 3 of fate/stay night is just as slow as episode 3 of tsr. Since in episode 3 of fate stay night we got to know some stuff, just as much as we got to know about tsr episode 3.

[Chiibi]

Originally Posted by wingdarkness

^Your definatley entitled to your veiw, but you are a fool if you don't think DBZ changed the entire scope of anime in America and should be credited with the shift that started the domino-effect of progressiveness in terms of animes' popularity in America...Mamono Hunter Youko my friend is not even a blip on the screen compared to dbz's influence...

Now I was being a bit rant-ish when I said ftp and IRC members, but I know for a fact DBZ was a gateway anime for many of the 20+ generation here and after it aired propelled many (lots of people I know specifically) into searching for more anime subbed and dubbed (video-tape fansubs, IRC, FTP)...In that search many (including myself) were able to see that anime offered alot more than just pure action titles and broadened our horizons)...I know people that never even liked or cared about anime that much who are now damn-near purists after the experience of DBZ...I experienced the revolution first hand, so I think I know what I'm talking about...

When advertisers found out they could have ratings hits with what they considered "cartoons" (that weren't of the pure comedic-nature like "The Simpsons") the entire industry evolved...DBZ was once the number one rated cable television show in America in it's timeslot (ridiculous ratings for a mere cartoon) This is documented in the New York Times which rated it as one of the best shows on television period during it's high-point...

I never said it didn't have ANY influence and I'm amused that you called ME a "fool" when you, sir, cannot correctly spell the words "definitely", "you're", and "view".

Originally Posted by wingdarkness

Before and during DBZ there was just one exclusive anime block (Toonami)...Now everybody and their mama has an exclusive anime block(Jetix, Tech-TV, WAM, Foxbox, IFC, [adult swim], etc.),...This didn't exist before DBZ's insane popularity(Which was quite the same in Japan aswell when it orginally aired) ...So i do tend to get a bit agitated when people diss the hell outta the show when it was responsible for so much (personally to me, and not to mention IMO a great action anime that never tried to pretend it wasn't one)...Lots of people take pot-shots at it cause for some reason it's become "the cool thing" to do (which is dissing any anime that becomes really popular in America and produces taurds)...I think it's sad that even people who used to love DBZ now hate it for the simple fact there little brother or sister owns a Vegeta toothbrush or something...

Again, I hate the show because I think it's dumb and a waste of life. I do not hate the show because everyone else does.

[Eclipze]

Originally Posted by Mr.Hawq

Well would you not say that episode 3 of fate/stay night is just as slow as episode 3 of tsr. Since in episode 3 of fate stay night we got to know some stuff, just as much as we got to know about tsr episode 3.

Well, I went through episode 3 of F/sn. Yes, the amount of information given is close to the one in TSR, but:

Spoiler:

In F/sn episode 3, the first half was pretty interesting (Saber vs Lance, engaging Archer who retreated etc). However, at the 2nd half, while informative (conversation with the person at the church), was pretty monotonous (both the voice of the person, as well as the atmosphere).

TSR's entire episode 3 was all-rounded in action, while giving immense amount of information, be it the suspision of the operation (that it may be too quiet and smooth), or showing personal issues with the characters such as Sousuke's unwilling-ness to operate Arblast, his disapproval of Wraith as Kaname's protecter. They didnt spend the entire half of the episode explaining the operation (compared to F/sn episode 3, the dialog in the church), nor did they just have fights for the sake of it.

Moreover, TSR's bits of information each connect to a future event in the series. The cretians' lie, possession of anti ECS missiles in episode 1 by a millitary group, who should not possess the technology in the first place, introduction of Wraith and the character's role itself.

From episode 3 of F/sn, sure, we learn of Lancer's identity, and his special atk. Yet 7 episodes later, the closest glimpse of Lancer was in episode 9, as a spy. Its like, do we need to know Lancer's identity in the first place? Its not like his "past" is being studies by Shirou and gang, nor did they engage in combat, for Saber or Archer to use the knowledge of Lancer's attack to their advantage.

Oh, forgot to mention in the previous post: Im not trying to flame.

I mean, if you find TSR to be boring, then hey, its not your type of anime I suppose. But calling it a slow series is another matter, as I dont see how the series was slow. There wasn't any useless fanservice episodes, nor did the plot NOT make sense.

[Mr.Hawq]

Originally Posted by Eclipze

Well, I went through episode 3 of F/sn. Yes, the amount of information given is close to the one in TSR, but:

Spoiler:

In F/sn episode 3, the first half was pretty interesting (Saber vs Lance, engaging Archer who retreated etc). However, at the 2nd half, while informative (conversation with the person at the church), was pretty monotonous (both the voice of the person, as well as the atmosphere).

TSR's entire episode 3 was all-rounded in action, while giving immense amount of information, be it the suspision of the operation (that it may be too quiet and smooth), or showing personal issues with the characters such as Sousuke's unwilling-ness to operate Arblast, his disapproval of Wraith as Kaname's protecter. They didnt spend the entire half of the episode explaining the operation (compared to F/sn episode 3, the dialog in the church), nor did they just have fights for the sake of it.

Moreover, TSR's bits of information each connect to a future event in the series. The cretians' lie, possession of anti ECS missiles in episode 1 by a millitary group, who should not possess the technology in the first place, introduction of Wraith and the character's role itself.

From episode 3 of F/sn, sure, we learn of Lancer's identity, and his special atk. Yet 7 episodes later, the closest glimpse of Lancer was in episode 9, as a spy. Its like, do we need to know Lancer's identity in the first place? Its not like his "past" is being studies by Shirou and gang, nor did they engage in combat, for Saber or Archer to use the knowledge of Lancer's attack to their advantage.

Oh, forgot to mention in the previous post: Im not trying to flame.

I mean, if you find TSR to be boring, then hey, its not your type of anime I suppose. But calling it a slow series is another matter, as I dont see how the series was slow. There wasn't any useless fanservice episodes, nor did the plot NOT make sense.

Lol I was the one that was flaming, and I don't want to do that anymore

Well ther was that fanservice episode when Kaname was thinking that she was being followed, and we got to see her change, and yah got to see her topless also.
Man I said that I did enjoy tsr, but not as much as other people did, giving the show excellent ratings and stuff.

Also TSR is the type of show I like, I like mecha, and I did see the first full metal panic also. I found them to be a little similar, but TSR had a litlle bit more drama.

[Kaioshin Sama]

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[lavielove]

I'm just wondering why do people think that Air is overrated anime.One of the factor that Air got famous is the animation and theme of the anime is quite matched.That's why people loves it.The same goes for Full Metal Panic TSR too(the anime has a well-seperate thread for signatures and avatars).

[bayoab]

Originally Posted by lavielove

I'm just wondering why do people think that Air is overrated anime.One of the factor that Air got famous is the animation and theme of the anime is quite matched.That's why people loves it.The same goes for Full Metal Panic TSR too(the anime has a well-seperate thread for signatures and avatars).

Air was famous before the animation, just not outside of Japanese otaku circles. People think it is overrated because the fanboys all go "OMG, this is the best anime evar, it is so deep and the story is great and its not just an h-game" which is an obvious sign of an overrated show (Naruto, DBZ, etc).

[PEDOS_GRANDE]

Originally Posted by lavielove

I'm just wondering why do people think that Air is overrated anime.One of the factor that Air got famous is the animation and theme of the anime is quite matched.That's why people loves it.The same goes for Full Metal Panic TSR too(the anime has a well-seperate thread for signatures and avatars).

hahaha, the Key fanboys come out in force, just like the last time when i bad-mouthed "Air".

lol KEYPWN.

[PEDOS_GRANDE]

Originally Posted by Shinji103

Well, seeing as how it was aimed at youger audiences from the very beginning, I think you're looking at it in a slightly incorrect light. Why do you think all the more adult stuff (Minmay taking a shower for one) was edited out and is never seen in any incarnation of Robotech whether it be VHS or DVD? There was never supposed to be any deep, complicated story thing in the first place. Maybe you should rethink your stance there. You're hating it for not being exactly what it was never meant to be.

Macross and Mopeada rock. And so does Robotech.

All the more adult stuff in Robotech was never _ IN _ Robotech in the first place. It was in Macross, Mospeada (which rock) and SDC Southern Cross (which does not.) So that argument doesnt hold much water, it was never there in the first place. Duh, I KNOW that it wasn't supposed to be deep. It was for kids. And watching it years later, I can realize this. But many ppl my age can't. They still think Robotech is badass. Just go read the forums over at robotech.com. Yikes.

[PEDOS_GRANDE]

Originally Posted by bayoab

Air was famous before the animation, just not outside of Japanese otaku circles. People think it is overrated because the fanboys all go "OMG, this is the best anime evar, it is so deep and the story is great and its not just an h-game" which is an obvious sign of an overrated show (Naruto, DBZ, etc).

But....but......Misuzu!!!

[LytHka]

The problem with all fanboys, especially with erogame->anime fanboys (I'm one of them) is that they're mostly aggressive with their way of promoting a certain title. Same could be said for CCCP or Matroška fanboys. But I think if you're an intelligent human being you'll find other reasons to dislike a certain thing, a certain show. If fanboys and an "overrated" tag on a show is all you care about, sorry sir/madam, you've lost it.

[Eclipze]

Besides the issue with triple posting being a bad thing to do, I think people are mis-using the word "overrated". But this does not apply to every user.

From what I see, people are interpreting an anime as overrated by the number of mindless fanboys who support the anime, be it good or bad.

Wait...say what? so you're saying that if Air's number of fanboys and fanboy comments was much lesser, but still have the same number of fans, that you wont consider it overrated anymore?

There is a key (no pun intended) difference between Air and Naruto: Naruto has a extreemly large fanbase, while Air has a smaller (comparative to Naruto), more classified fanbase. For Naruto, people of all ages: be it small kids, teens or even adults, are calling it the "best anime ever".

For Air, its the devotees to the game/genre who are calling it the "best eroge converted anime ever". And because of that, its an overrated anime?

...Right. Basically by that defination, FMA, Cowboy Bebop and just about any anime who have mindless fanboys/girls, can be classified as overrated, especially because you just so happen to find it boring.

...wtf?