[Manga] Who is Tobi?

[Kafriel]

Danzo's seals stopped working on ROOT -> Danzou is most probably (95%) dead.

His parents rescued him in the last minutes of their lives and he fled to another village.

That would make no sense, the clan was a small part of the village, and two MS users can definitely track and kill all of them without fail. Sasuke was an exception since he began as a main character. Also, assuming there really was another Uchiha survivor, their goal would be no different than Sasuke's (avenging the clan), so such a character would be rather pointless.

what would be the point of only exposing 1 eye?

Justifying his survival against Hashirama, he may have used Izanagi once. This stands because by sacrificing one eye, he can't control MS as well, so his power diminishes, being just a shadow of his former glory.

Could he have turned on his Mangekyou when his eye wasn't visible to us, or is it just an ability Madara has regardless of his Sharingan?

Fair question, I'll just say we don't have enough clues to say for sure. I think it's an ability of his body, not a doujutsu, exactly because he has one eye left (read above).

[ZGoten]

Originally Posted by JustRob

Hmmm. If Kakashi's technique is a black hole that sends things to another place, then I suppose it is similar to Madara's trick, but there's one thing that confuses me. How did Deidara get his arm back? Wasn't it sent into that black hole?

Also, Kakashi's technique looks quite different from Madara's. If they both share the same Sharingan (Obito's), shouldn't it be exactly the same?

Lastly, I think we should discuss whether or not Madara's ability is a Sharingan ability at all. Despite having seen his Mangekyou Sharingan design in flashbacks, we haven't actually seen it in present time yet. Could he have turned on his Mangekyou when his eye wasn't visible to us, or is it just an ability Madara has regardless of his Sharingan?

Kakuzu made Deidara another arm.
Yeah, Kakashi's and Madara's techniques really do look a little different. Maybe that's due to the fact that Tobi's is more evolved, or maybe they really just are different jutsus. Also, I think it could be possible that Madara's is no MS jutsu at all, we really know only little about him, and even less about his abilities.

[james0246]

Originally Posted by Kafriel

Justifying his survival against Hashirama, he may have used Izanagi once. This stands because by sacrificing one eye, he can't control MS as well, so his power diminishes, being just a shadow of his former glory.

Though you have to admit the casual, almost nonchalant, attitude Madara had in describing the technique (to the audience) kind of makes it seem like he would have never used the "forbidden" technique...

[Kafriel]

Hashirama was a tough nut to crack...maybe it was an act of desperation. After all, Naruto hates using the Kyuubi's powers but he did go 8.5-tails against Pain. At any rate, I find a wasted eye (be it from Izanagi or a kunai-in-the-eye-socket) a lot more probable than Obito's reincarnation or an extra unknown Uchiha...At any rate, I won't deny the fact that there are many possibilities, Naruto is a manga that can branch into many possible subplots, so almost anything can happen.

[james0246]

^That's why you should support the "Madara's clone" theory. It makes everything so much simplier .

[Rei Kaiga]

Another thing the Uchiha massacre like how did madara know about it i thought only 4 ppl knew about that Danzo Sarutobi and 2 village elders so how would Madara have any knowledge about meeting Itachi and helping him with the Massacre ALSO the time of the massacre would be the PERFECT TIME for DANZO to collect the sharingan he possed...... i thought it was madara at 1st but now im leaning towards Danzo

[iBeast]

Originally Posted by yakumo-chan

Hey!@!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I found something cool!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The sage toad said that one of jiraiya's pupil is the prophecy child right!!!?????

I really think that tobi is one of jiraiya's student!!!

Look!!!



ONE of this two could be TOBI!!!!

And I think Tobi is the prophecy child!!!

I think Tobi is using the akatsuki and this war to unite all countries!!

because if you would look!

the five countries are supposed to be enemies to each other....

and what they are now!?

they are all allies helping each other!!

this could be it!!

I think Tobi is copying Lelouch britania From code geass!!

THE ONE WITH THE ORANGE HEAD BAND! I THINK THAT IS TOBI...

Now that I noticed, Jiraiya's team suck. Only Yellow Flash stands out, the other two are probably weak as hell...they look so bland. Even though the 4th is one of the strongest ever...his team is probably at the bottom of the pack...

[AuroraFlash]

Originally Posted by Kafriel

Hashirama was a tough nut to crack...maybe it was an act of desperation. After all, Naruto hates using the Kyuubi's powers but he did go 8.5-tails against Pain. At any rate, I find a wasted eye (be it from Izanagi or a kunai-in-the-eye-socket) a lot more probable than Obito's reincarnation or an extra unknown Uchiha...At any rate, I won't deny the fact that there are many possibilities, Naruto is a manga that can branch into many possible subplots, so almost anything can happen.

In fact, that was nothing. The tails appearing, that's what's not supposed to happend, that's when the Kyuubi takes over. It first happened in the valley of the end when Sasuke kind of broke Naruto's neck with some technique. Hachibi can use the techniques without his skin getting terribly burned and all that stuff. In fact, 2-tails shared the same fate. When she fought Hidan and Kakuzu, she just exploded in rage. That's why she was nowhere near her village and easy prey and that's why her name hasn't been named back when they talked abouit those who could control a bijou.

[Slayerx]

Originally Posted by AuroraFlash

In fact, that was nothing. The tails appearing, that's what's not supposed to happend, that's when the Kyuubi takes over. It first happened in the valley of the end when Sasuke kind of broke Naruto's neck with some technique. Hachibi can use the techniques without his skin getting terribly burned and all that stuff. In fact, 2-tails shared the same fate. When she fought Hidan and Kakuzu, she just exploded in rage. That's why she was nowhere near her village and easy prey and that's why her name hasn't been named back when they talked abouit those who could control a bijou.

Not so sure about the two-tails...
She claimed that she lured them to those sewers because she wanted to trap them and keep them from escaping... never made clear if she actually lost control... furthermore, "powering up" and becoming "enraged" look VERY similar... A reason she would not be named as a controller thought could be that she never gained complete control, only partial control... she could go as far as a partial transformation but she never did a 100% manifestation as Killer Bee is able to

Originally Posted by Kafriel

Justifying his survival against Hashirama, he may have used Izanagi once. This stands because by sacrificing one eye, he can't control MS as well, so his power diminishes, being just a shadow of his former glory.

I used to like the inazagi theory, but the problem there is the fact that the technique only lasts for a very short amount of time... even if he used it to fake his death, the fake body would have disappeared and Hashirama would have known he wasn't dead...

Originally Posted by Rei Kaiga

nd i know this might be dum but i looked at the pictures posted up above on this page and i think that maybe it could be Danzo and the Danzo sasuke fought was a fake as we know that Danzo's implanted sharingan is in the same place as tobi also danzo has only one sharigan just another theory

So when tobi took the corpse back to his secluded later to take out the sharigan he was just acting for himself... all alone...

[Midnight Commander]

Originally Posted by Cub-Sama

It would be quite a cool twist is if the Jyuubi, can communicate with those with EMS, at the point of death the Jyuubi took over Madara and has been using his body to do his will and restore him. Like Sanary was used by Parista from Summon Night Swordcraft Story (hoping there will be a few who get the reference ).

lol wow thats a nice theory.

[JustRob]

I'd just like to note that the Jyuubi has been split up in nine different beasts, each with their own consciousness. None of these nine have ever talked about the Jyuubi, or displayed interest in fusing into the Jyuubi.

That being said, the actual Jyuubi doesn't currently exist. Only the split-up parts, and I don't know about the Kyuubi, but the Hachibi for one seems to be satisfied with his current situation.

[Kafriel]

Originally Posted by Slayerx

I used to like the inazagi theory, but the problem there is the fact that the technique only lasts for a very short amount of time... even if he used it to fake his death, the fake body would have disappeared and Hashirama would have known he wasn't dead...

If I remember correctly, nobody said that Madara died in that battle, only that he lost and disappeared. Then, everyone assumed he was dead because it's been a bagillion years since that fight...so, using an Izanagi to get off the face of the earth would be plausible.

[james0246]

Originally Posted by Captain Commando

lol wow thats a nice theory.

I wanted to include the Jyuubi in the poll, but I felt it wa best to be left out just in case an anime-only fan accidentally clicked on this thread...

Originally Posted by JustRob

I'd just like to note that the Jyuubi has been split up in nine different beasts, each with their own consciousness. None of these nine have ever talked about the Jyuubi, or displayed interest in fusing into the Jyuubi.

That being said, the actual Jyuubi doesn't currently exist. Only the split-up parts, and I don't know about the Kyuubi, but the Hachibi for one seems to be satisfied with his current situation.

The Jyuubi exists...in the MOON!!! Why else do you think Obama doesn't want to send any Americans there anymore...

Since we have learned that the will of the various beasts is found in the chakra, it seems safe to start assuming that the Uchiha's, with chakra more vile than the Kyuubi itself, somehow have a direct connection to the Jyuubi (of course, we also know this based on the Jyuubi's eye design) possibly through their own chakra.

Additionally, it seems plausible that gaining further evolutionary traits of the Sharingan could deepen the connection (the Jyuubi has 9 tomoe, the EMS has 6...this could possibly mean that the Jyuubi's malcontent is more easily felt by those who have the EMS).

Obviously this is conjecture, but it does seem reasonable that the Uchiha would have some connection to the Jyuubi...

[solidguy]

What about izuna.? I thought that theory was just starting to gain some momentum.

[JustRob]

Originally Posted by james0246

The Jyuubi exists...in the MOON!!! Why else do you think Obama doesn't want to send any Americans there anymore...

Since we have learned that the will of the various beasts is found in the chakra, it seems safe to start assuming that the Uchiha's, with chakra more vile than the Kyuubi itself, somehow have a direct connection to the Jyuubi (of course, we also know this based on the Jyuubi's eye design) possibly through their own chakra.

Additionally, it seems plausible that gaining further evolutionary traits of the Sharingan could deepen the connection (the Jyuubi has 9 tomoe, the EMS has 6...this could possibly mean that the Jyuubi's malcontent is more easily felt by those who have the EMS).

Obviously this is conjecture, but it does seem reasonable that the Uchiha would have some connection to the Jyuubi...

Actually, after reading chapter 467 some more, this theory seems plausible. Madara said he is "an empty shell of his former self"... And the Jyuubi's empty body was sealed in the moon, left without chakra, which was split up among the nine bijuu.

The Jyuubi's eye seems more like a fusion of the Rinnegan and Sharingan though, but that's just nitpicking.

I do wonder how Kishi is going to bring back the Jyuubi without killing Naruto / Bee. Naruto losing the Kyuubi seems unlikely now that he's starting this new training, but it seems equally unlikely that the Jyuubi is never restored.

[Slayerx]

Originally Posted by Kafriel

If I remember correctly, nobody said that Madara died in that battle, only that he lost and disappeared. Then, everyone assumed he was dead because it's been a bagillion years since that fight...so, using an Izanagi to get off the face of the earth would be plausible.

no, unless i'm reading a bad translation, Madara said it himself that everyone thought he died in that battle... in fact there is a silhouetted image of him with a sword rammed through his chest. This was back when Madara was making the big reveal to sasuke

[Kafriel]

Gonna reread that part then

[solidguy]

which page? can't find it

[Kafriel]

Chapter 399: The beginning of everything, page 12, second panel to the right. Tobi says that Madara was assumed dead by everyone after that fight...although Jiraiya somehow had a hunch that Madara would be alive

[yakumo-chan]

Originally Posted by JustRob

How did Deidara get his arm back? Wasn't it sent into that black hole?

actually you are wrong..... its not a black hole but a random place!

he sent the arm to a random place!
It is also a dimensional that is very the same with Tobi's sucking powers.....

Spoiler for obito eye:

Originally Posted by ZGoten

Kakuzu made Deidara another arm.

You are also wrong!!!

kakuzu didnt made his arm!!

his arm was warped in a random place!

tobi even found his arm!!
here is the proof!

Spoiler for deidara's arm: