2011-07-22, 23:07 | Link #15001 |
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Was it just one guy with a gun, or were explosives involved? Cause from what shooting I've done...that's a lot of bullets to try and get out...plus moving targets...plus the chance that people are going to be attempting to stop you (and you needing to prevent them from stopping you, which means either lots of loaded guns, lots of clips, or really good intimidation skills).
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2011-07-22, 23:26 | Link #15002 | ||
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It's like they don't use anything that the government provides like the highway, public transportation, garbage collection, etc. A lot of people contribute to program that they themselves will never benefit from. That is part of being a society. Quote:
I think teachers get a bad rap. Certainly there are a few with some issues but the do a decent job for piss poor pay. If you think teachers are making bank you're delusional. If you cut their pay more down all your going to do is lose more of the qualified ones who will find better paying jobs not that we already aren't. And in the end of it they get treated like shit and everything that goes wrong with a children has to do with them, not the apathetic parents who spend most of their days more concerned with making a buck than rearing their children.
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2011-07-22, 23:56 | Link #15003 | ||
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apparently, it was a guy with a gun, lots of ammo, and an almost completely isolated environment to operate in for a prolonged period of time. Quote:
how good your intimidation skills are rarely a factor when your victims are children.
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2011-07-23, 00:10 | Link #15004 |
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Hi, I'm from Norway, and I've been doing pretty much nothing except following this story today, so I'll tell you what I know.
Explosives were planted at the camp, but were not detonated. All of the killings were done with guns. He's known to own a rifle, a handgun and a shotgun, but I've not seen reports on which of these he used, except for the handgun. Witnesses have also said that they saw an automatic weapon. I'll just give a brief description of the situation for those who don't know, and perhaps to shed some light on why he was able to carry it out on such a large scale. The people at the camp were almost exclusively teenagers or very young adults. The perpetrator came disguised as a police officer, using the explosion in Oslo as an excuse to perform a routine security procedure. It should also be stated that most people in Norway do not own guns, and certainly one would not bring one to a summer camp. The act of murder, and even violent crime, is incredibly low; people are not used to it, and do not expect it. It is also important to understand that this was a tiny, tiny island, used almost exclusively for camp activities. There were not many places to run. He is not known to have any military training, except for the mandatory 1 year military service that is mandatory (though fairly easy to get out of if you really want to) in Norway. I've read that he enjoyed hunting, but strangely only on English-speaking news sites, so I cannot vouch for its veracity. He was motivated by an extreme right-wing nationalistic ideology. More specifically, he is said to be an anti-internationalist. Norway's current government is liberal, and the youth political camp he attacked was organized by The Norwegian Labor Party (Arbeiderpartiet; AP for short.) The eye-witness testimonies that have been released thus far are almost unbelievable. He is said to have acted in a very calm and composed manner, showing no mercy. At one point he was situated on top of a cliff, firing at people who had thrown themselves into the ocean, attempting to swim away from the island. People were running over corpses and hiding desperately under rocks, seaside caverns and so forth. It goes without saying that this is an unprecedented event in Norwegian history, but this will also be, if I'm not mistaken, the largest killing spree by any individual in modern history. And that's without accounting for the fact that the number will probably rise through the night as the waters are searched for corpses. This cowardly butchering of innocent youngsters will go down in history. Lastly, I have some personal information about the shooter, if anyone for some reason want to know. He plays World of Warcraft, likes classical music. He also started his own ecological farm a couple of years ago, and it is suspected that he used this business as a way to get his hands on high quantities of fertilizers (I'm not sure if this is the correct term in English) which he might have used to assemble the explosives. Lastly, he admired Winston Churchill and Max Manus. (The latter is a Norwegian war hero famous for his resistance and sabotage operations during World War II.) A friend of his has reported that he became a right-wing extremist in his late twenties. He is now 32. He was also seen in Oslo when the explosion went off, and the police see clear links between the two events. It is at this point unknown (or unreleased, at least) if he had assistance or acted alone. If you got any questions, feel free to ask.
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2011-07-23, 00:16 | Link #15005 |
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All I can say is that this sociopath used the Columbine solution for his personal problems, and looks more like he installed the bombs before making the run to the camp. More likely the police or the army might have to put him out of his misery with bullets, but I prefer him to be alive and needed to face the scrutiny of the world.
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2011-07-23, 00:29 | Link #15008 |
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Which incident occurred first -- the Oslo bombings, or this...massacre?
Are the speculations regarding the link between the two incidents coming from only the media or from police statements? And if it means anything, please be safe. |
2011-07-23, 00:46 | Link #15009 | |
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but still, thats not the same as killing your own country's children on mass.
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2011-07-23, 00:46 | Link #15010 | |
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Not surprised that you would show up and be responding to my posts. Considering you and I are complete opposites on our view of America and it's citizens. |
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2011-07-23, 00:49 | Link #15011 | ||
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It does mean a lot to know that people care. Thanks.
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2011-07-23, 00:57 | Link #15013 | |
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"I've got it" "i'll promote MY ideals in the public eye by murdering dozens of Norwegian children" "thats BOUND to make people understand how wrong the Liberals are" I know its been said that Norway has no death sentence, but can't they make an exception just this once ?
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2011-07-23, 01:01 | Link #15014 | |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing So is this guy the Norwegian equivalent of Timothy McVeigh? Also note that most victims of Islamic terrorism are Moslems. Terrorists always strike their own people the hardest. |
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2011-07-23, 01:02 | Link #15015 | |
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You do realize that it's in this country's best interest to have me as an economic asset rather than an economic burden, right? An engineer is a lot more useful to the economy of the nation than a burger-flipper. Trust and believe if I could put myself through school, I would be doing so. Trust and believe that if I could be working a full-time job right now, I would be doing so. I cannot. I have spent THREE YEARS LOOKING FOR WORK. I have found nothing. So I do what I can. I root Android devices and jailbreak iPhones and do spyware removal for grocery money, but that's not enough to even pay rent, much less my books, tuition, campus fees, transportation, etc. I bust my fucking ass just to stay alive so idiots like you can scream and holler about tax cuts for people who spend more money on an Armani suit than I spend in an entire year. If you don't want to be part of society, then leave society. Go live in the woods like the fucking Unabomber. And you do understand that what I'm getting are loans, right? They have to be paid back, with interest. Holy doodoo you and your teabagger buddies are such d-bags it makes my ears burn. "SCREW YOU, I GOT MINE" amirite?
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2011-07-23, 01:06 | Link #15016 | ||
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Edit: Against the death penalty in general, but yes, exceptions are tempting when dealing with monsters who indiscriminately slaughter over 80 young people.
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2011-07-23, 01:10 | Link #15017 |
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I work 60 hours a week or more, depending on the work load. I've had one vacation in over 6 years, and have one day off a week through-out. Hell I was working before I had my driver's license 15 years ago. And I'll be working until I'm 80 the way our Government is fucking everything up for the rest of us. So pardon me if I don't feel sorry for you and your story. Yes keep calling us names if it makes you feel better. Must make you feel like a big man using the words tea baggers, douche-bags, etc. Meanwhile, the people you support keep ripping the rest of us off, then keep wanting more of what we've worked for every year. Because you obviously are entitled to our labor.
Yes sir master. Let me work another 10 hours this week for you. Whatever you say Master. I'm just a worker who exists for you. No Master, I don't need that over-time pay, you can have it for whatever you think is worthy. |
2011-07-23, 01:13 | Link #15018 |
Gamilas Falls
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Can I laugh at the contrast in opinions on the system within just a single State in the Union? A state I live in no less. I don't think any other state can even come close to understanding California.
Funny thing is I can and do see both sides of the arguement and both are valid. All depends on ones own situation. (And prehaps point of view) Also I'm starting to think this is actually the plan, to make us argue with each other more than unify against any common cause. Whatever that cause might be. But then Americans do have problems unifying on anything that isn't an external threat...internal threats are much more difficult for us to combat due to our extreme differences of opinion that we have every right to have.
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2011-07-23, 01:29 | Link #15019 | |
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I'm sure plenty of countries would love to have an EE they didn't even have to pay to educate! Wouldn't that be awesome? I could stick you guys with the bill for my education and you wouldn't even benefit from it! Edit: Oh yeah, I'm not a man. That just makes you even more pissed-off, doesn't it?
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2011-07-23, 01:44 | Link #15020 | |
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It's great you did all those things. Take pride it in but I don't see the point of using it to look down on others. We all have different life situations. Things aren't simple in which we are all born with the same challenges and follow the same road but I think society should contribute to helping everyone and their is a moral obligation for those who are in a situation to help uplift others to do so.
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